Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2019

[cats_09]

This umpire is terrrrrible

I'm not watching - how does it compare with what we dealt with this afternoon in the AFLW?

 

[David the Cat]

Hoping for a close game and lots of season ending injuries for both sides.

Wishing injury on any players (yes, even Hawthorn players) has long been considered out of order.....even tongue in cheek as I presume is the case with you....

Worth remembering MH....

 

[Partridge]

Wishing injury on any players (yes, even Hawthorn players) has long been considered out of order.....even tongue in cheek as I presume is the case with you....

Worth remembering MH....

It’s not out of order if it’s acceptable to hate that team. Just that few admit it.

 

[David the Cat]

It’s not out of order if it’s acceptable to hate that team. Just that few admit it.

Excuse me?

It has never been acceptable to wish injury on players...You can dislike the jumper all you like....but its totally unacceptable to wish career ending/season ending injury on any player....

Of all people I would have thought you would be the last to respond to the contrary.

 

[frggr]

I'm not watching - how does it compare with what we dealt with this afternoon in the AFLW?

Slightly better than what we got, but some interesting calls!

 

[Hamingja]

Thurlow having a quiet one for Sydney. I knew Menzel was injured but no GHS or Murdoch for GC so they must injured too?

 

[cats_09]

DOUBT surrounds the playing futures of key St Kilda pair Paddy McCartin and Dylan Roberton, who require further testing after suffering health scares in the Saints’ AFL pre-season win over the Western Bulldogs.

McCartin suffered the latest in a string of concussions, while Roberton complained of feeling unwell late in Sunday’s 14.9 (93) to 12.7 (79) win in front of 4384 fans at Ballarat’s Mars Stadium.
Roberton is on the comeback trail after collapsing with a heart irregularity at GMHBA Stadium in last year’s round-four clash with Geelong.
The defender, who plays with an electronic device in his chest to monitor his heart’s activity, was taken from the field for immediate assessment by club doctors.
“Dylan was just a bit wonky at the end of the game,” coach Alan Richardson said.
“He just felt a little bit off right at the end when the siren went so you can imagine, given what he’s been through, the doctors were pretty keen to get him in and analyse him and make sure that he’s ok.
“I’m not sure exactly where that will end up.
“He’s fine, he’s sitting up in there and having a bit of a laugh with his mates, but we’ll just have to wait and see how that goes.”
McCartin, who wears a protective helmet, is believed to have been concussed eight times since 2014.
The 22-year-old was withdrawn from the second half after he backed into a pack in the dying minutes of the second quarter and was collected by teammate Ben Long.
“Paddy was concussed so he’ll be assessed as per normal … we’ll just wait and see from a symptoms point of view,” Richardson said.
“I think we all know that Paddy has a little bit of history there, so we weren’t going to take any risks.
“He’s fine in there now (but) he’ll need a bit of time to clear his head.
“When he’s right, he’s right. We don’t know when that’ll be … it could be that he’s right by Tuesday or it could be that it takes a bit longer. Who knows?”

http://www.krockfootball.com.au/afl-news/fears-mccartin-saints-beat-dogs/

 

[manboob]

It's his 8th concussion is 5 years... he needs to give it away unfortunately.

 

[Spazz Cat]

It's his 8th concussion is 5 years... he needs to give it away unfortunately.

Is it really that bad though? I know it's new times and we have to pretend to be sensitive about it and all that, but I reckon I got concussed 5 times in one u18 season.
8 times in 5 years is really f**k all. Get over it.
They're not like boxers getting continually punched in the head over and over.

 

[cats_09]

Is it really that bad though? I know it's new times and we have to pretend to be sensitive about it and all that, but I reckon I got concussed 5 times in one u18 season.
8 times in 5 years is really f**k all. Get over it.
They're not like boxers getting continually punched in the head over and over.

Yes it is that bad - read Justin Clarke's story:

Justin Clarke left home to drive to university. He got halfway and stopped. He had driven the road hundreds of times but suddenly he had no idea which way to go.

He knew that he knew the way but his mind was blank. He had a choice of two roads but he sat there with the car idling and traffic banking behind him, looking at the way ahead, not knowing where the roads led or which way to go. So he chose one, the wrong one, and was late for university...

...He was taken to hospital fearing spinal damage and concussion. X-rays cleared him of spinal trouble and head fractures but the concussion was severe. After a week the symptoms were still strong. Eight weeks later they had barely abated: the dizziness, the headaches, the memory loss was just as severe.

"The immediate three weeks after the injury I have no memory at all," he said.
"I was just at home but I have no memory of anything in that time. I was sleeping a lot, then I couldn't sleep. I had shocking headaches...

...After the injury he was assessed by a neuropsychologist and his memory readings were out of kilter. His cognitive function was in the top fifth percentile of the population - thus he could still drive - but his memory was in the bottom 25th percentile – so he could not remember where he was going. The testing also detected the problem with his visual memory...

..."He had to stop halfway," Bain said. "He was dizzy and faint, he was complaining of headaches and this is 10 weeks after the injury...

...Among their conclusions was that Clarke's concussion was not the result of cumulative head knocks but of one severe head trauma.

Retiring at 22 after one concussion because of the damage it did - so yes, 8 concussions in 5 years is a massive deal because it doesn't need to be repeated hits to the head to cause life long problems

https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl...es-at-22-from-concussion-20160330-gnuju1.html

 

[cats_09]

It's his 8th concussion is 5 years... he needs to give it away unfortunately.

The best thing for him is to take the decision out of his hands and the clubs - needs to get independent advice as to the impact of his health both short term and long term

 

[Spazz Cat]

Yes it is that bad - read Justin Clarke's story:


Retiring at 22 after one concussion because of the damage it did - so yes, 8 concussions in 5 years is a massive deal because it doesn't need to be repeated hits to the head to cause life long problems
https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl...es-at-22-from-concussion-20160330-gnuju1.html

Fair enough. That just changed my mind.
I guess it's one of those things that affects people differently.
If this type of stuff is happening to McCartin then yeah, maybe it could be time.

 

[Down at K Park]

Fair enough. That just changed my mind.
I guess it's one of those things that affects people differently.
If this type of stuff is happening to McCartin then yeah, maybe it could be time.

He has had some bad signs already. It’s the after effects that determine how bad it is, not the force of the hit. Someone could be knocked out cold and have no after effects, and someone could cop what seems pretty minor and have shocking after effects.

I’m pretty sure they kept him out for a few months last year because he was showing bad signs. He seems to be easily concussed too. Only minor knocks and he’s gone. And he seems to somehow continually get in bad positions and keeps getting head knocks. No idea how he manages to keep doing it. It’s not happening when he puts his head over the ball, its in simple pack marks that he keeps smacking his head into others.

And people were saying we should have traded for him last year. No freaking way. Concussions will end his career.

 

[Wellsy35]

No idea how he manages to keep doing it. It’s not happening when he puts his head over the ball, its in simple pack marks that he keeps smacking his head into others.

And people were saying we should have traded for him last year. No freaking way. Concussions will end his career.

Riewoldt was saying yesterday it’s because he seems to always find himself under the ball and thus going back with the flight into packs.

 

[Willo_]

http://www.krockfootball.com.au/afl-news/fears-mccartin-saints-beat-dogs/

I can't imagine the risk is worth it for Roberton... He has a young family and surely the desire to play doesn't make the risk of dropping dead on the field worth it

 

[Drunkcat]

If you start getting concussions from simple knocks it's time to give it away

 

[Landgraft]

I would be furious at them if they were my friend/family and returned to footy after these. Footy is so far from worth their lives - or indeed anyone's life.

It feels like just by letting them go back out there the clubs and the league would be failing in their duty of care.

 

[goyoucatters]

I would be furious at them if they were my friend/family and returned to footy after these. Footy is so far from worth their lives - or indeed anyone's life.

It feels like just by letting them go back out there the clubs and the league would be failing in their duty of care.

Some people will talk about lauding the bravery of the player who continues to return to the field after these repeated warning signs.

Ironically, I think it's far braver to let go of a footy dream and acknowledge that quality of life outside of footy is far, far more important.

I feel for McCartin but truly hope that he gets courageous and objective advice about his whole future rather than just a narrow perspective on what he can do to continue his footy career.

Surely speaking to a few concussion retirees (see Clarke's story above as an example) might give him a more rounded understanding of what life can look like if you push on in the face of your body's clear signals to step aside.

 

[Partridge]

I would be furious at them if they were my friend/family and returned to footy after these. Footy is so far from worth their lives - or indeed anyone's life.

It feels like just by letting them go back out there the clubs and the league would be failing in their duty of care.

True. But it’s also the only way he can $400,000 a year or whatever he’s on. An awful lot of players would be used to the income they get. Not so easy to replace that once they retire, which is why so few do it voluntarily.

 

[romeohwho]

Saints really having a lousy time in the pre-season.

 

[Landgraft]

True. But it’s also the only way he can $400,000 a year or whatever he’s on. An awful lot of players would be used to the income they get. Not so easy to replace that once they retire, which is why so few do it voluntarily.

I'm sure it's been someone's reasoning before and will be again but what a shitty justification for risking everything that would be.

If he was a kid from the projects looking at the possibility of NBA money... maybe. For the family etc. But an Aussie kid looking at AFL money? Like I said, if he was anything to me personally I would be furious.

 

[James1970]

Saints really having a lousy time in the history of the AFL.

EFA.

 

[dazbroncos]

Ahh the official board spokesmen.
They'll live.

Actually no he's right.

Injury trolling will get you long holiday.
Being a smart arse about it will make it longer.
Its preseason so im giving you a chance.
Do not go there again.

GO Catters

 

[dazbroncos]

It’s not out of order if it’s acceptable to hate that team. Just that few admit it.

It entirely out of order.

You hate the team by all means go for it. Hate away.

Wishing deliberate ill and injury on them is not and wont be tolerated.

Do it again and bans will be issued.

You're a very smart man. You know better.

GO Catters

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I would be furious at them if they were my friend/family and returned to footy after these. Footy is so far from worth their lives - or indeed anyone's life.

It feels like just by letting them go back out there the clubs and the league would be failing in their duty of care.

Half of this board have had too many head knocks. I think they should give it away too.