Richmond vs Collingwood Preliminary Final Rematch - Thursday 28th MCG

[smasha]

The Richmond derby arrives,carna Tiges!

 

[Lsta062]

Serious answer, No!


I argue below highlighted are best 22 when fit.

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The thing though is, Collingwood admittedly have better depth than Richmond especially in the areas that the injuries happened. That means that our 4 injuries to our best 22 (including one of the best defenders in the competition in Rance) is going to impact us more than it does to the side that Collingwood fielded.

Collingwood are pretty much still playing a similar brand of footy with or without those players whereas we now have changed the way we played last year and in the JLT + Round 1 because of Rance's injury and Garthwaite's unavailability. We are playing with only two tall defenders instead of three.

It doesn't excuse us from losing this match though because we need to be able to overcome our injuries if we want to win the Premiership. We'll have to see how we respond to significant injuries tonight. Quite a foreign territory in recent years for Richmond to have a player like Rance out for the season.

 

[Ga Doey]

Wells is best 22 if he's fit. I personally don't think Scharenberg is best 22 with our current backline stocks and Reid definitely isn't anymore.

Key word "fit". If Reid were able to get his body right, then given his versatility, there's multiple positions on field for him.

 

[Gaben]

Key word "fit". If Reid were able to get his body right, then given his versatility, there's multiple positions on field for him.

If we had our whole list available - which is what the question was implying - he wouldn't be in our best 22. Hasn't played good football in years now.

 

[Ga Doey]

The thing though is, Collingwood admittedly have better depth than Richmond especially in the areas that the injuries happened. That means that our 4 injuries to our best 22 (including one of the best defenders in the competition in Rance) is going to impact us more than it does to the side that Collingwood fielded.

Collingwood are pretty much still playing a similar brand of footy with or without those players whereas we now have changed the way we played last year and in the JLT + Round 1 because of Rance's injury and Garthwaite's unavailability. We are playing with only two tall defenders instead of three.

It doesn't excuse us from losing this match though because we need to be able to overcome our injuries if we want to win the Premiership. We'll have to see how we respond to significant injuries tonight. Quite a foreign territory in recent years for Richmond to have a player like Rance out for the season.

I agree with everything you stated.

Best thing about footy at the minute is that anything can happen on the night. Pies or Tigers, even with said injuries, any team can win it.

Personally, I believe Tigs will get up and will use the pre-lim as motivation for redemption.

 

[Ga Doey]

If we had our whole list available - which is what the question was implying - he wouldn't be in our best 22. Hasn't played good football in years now.

Fair enough Gaben, I get exactly what you're implying.

I just recall that when he has a good run at it, he can be very valuable. But as you said, hasn't been able to do that for years.

 

[the view]

Pies have everything to lose here, if they can't beat an injury ravaged tigers outfit then they have genuine runners up hangover which I'm sure Adelaide will be more than happy to hand over.

injury ravaged ha ha ha

 

[PetterdHoisted]

The Richmond derby arrives,carna Tiges!

YeaH When those pies come up teeming up from their base...just on the south side of Richmond station?!

 

[Macpotata]

Love these two teams. Looked forward to this one ages ago. Couldn't wait til round 2 because of this, Electic stuff.


De Goey, Martin, prime time on a Thursday, thank you god.

 

[Lsta062]

I agree with everything you stated.

Best thing about footy at the minute is that anything can happen on the night. Pies or Tigers, even with said injuries, any team can win it.

Personally, I believe Tigs will get up and will use the pre-lim as motivation for redemption.

Yeah I honestly have no idea which way this game goes

 

[Tiger2709]

Caddy 17/18 44 games 67 goals, nearly (10 days) off being 26
Degoey 35 games 62 goals, a week ago turned 23

Get your facts right Caddy kicked five more goals in 9 more games
FYI his best season at the same age as Degoey was a measly 16 goals 30 less than Degoey!

Degoey..........daylight then Caddy

My facts are right champ, not sure what age has do to with the discussion.

 

[Tiger2709]

The ironic thing is that Collingwood's injury list is still twice as long as Richmond's (10 to 5), yet all the commentary has us going in with a full strength line-up, whilst Richmond have an injury crisis...

Ours are definite top 22 and Rance is like you losing Grundy but it doesn't matter you play with what you have available, we will both have 22 players out there.

Sometimes as happened with Collingwood last year and Richmond in 2017, the injuries can improve the team in some ways.

 

[Jen2310]

Ours are definite top 22 and Rance is like you losing Grundy but it doesn't matter you play with what you have available, we will both have 22 players out there.

Sometimes as happened with Collingwood last year and Richmond in 2017, the injuries can improve the team in some ways.

Absolutely.
When you have injuries, you find players not originally in your Best 22, and you can see how good they are. They can come in and prove just why you recruited them to begin with. All players need to so is play a role.

 

[BC9_]

Ours are definite top 22 and Rance is like you losing Grundy but it doesn't matter you play with what you have available, we will both have 22 players out there.

Sometimes as happened with Collingwood last year and Richmond in 2017, the injuries can improve the team in some ways.

Absolutely.
When you have injuries, you find players not originally in your Best 22, and you can see how good they are. They can come in and prove just why you recruited them to begin with. All players need to so is play a role.

Good points guys. I had to trawl through a lot of BS here to get to a couple of good posts.

 

[juss]

Caddy 17/18 44 games 67 goals, nearly (10 days) off being 26
Degoey 35 games 62 goals, a week ago turned 23

Get your facts right Caddy kicked five more goals in 9 more games
FYI his best season at the same age as Degoey was a measly 16 goals 30 less than Degoey!

Degoey..........daylight then Caddy

Love De Goey hes got great potential to be a real consistent match winner and probably kick 50 goals+ as a mid sized forward who can also play midfield but I reckon he in his last two games hes made critical errors that went a long way to his side losing.

Hes not quite the complete package yet and it remains to be seen if he will become a bonafide elite star or stay at the level below that of very good gun player.

 

[kranky al]

What an amazing season opener this would have been

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

injury ravaged ha ha ha

Agree - Tigers have the SMALLEST injury list in the AFL.

No excuses.

 

[gavaniacono]

On the brightside, cause what's the point in lamenting Rances loss any more, time to come out from under the bed, a great opp for tigers to adapt. They were getting too predictable H2 2018 and lost their edge. They need some adversity to force adaptibility. Thats what won us a flag and got pies within a whisper. Great opp to blood some young guns, show a bit of imagination, see what happens.

All this bollocks on sen this morning courtesy of david long shirts beady eyes King that rance is the system, not just part of the system, makes me vomit like I did when reading the eulogies about Doris Day and her intact hymen.

 

[thetradesman]

The Rance injury will have a big impact. Anyone doubting that simply doesn't watch football.

Houli has improved his 1v1 ability remarkably in the last few years, which again, is a big loss.

I think at full strength we are a better side, but there isn't much between the two really, so when we lose our best and probably third best defender, it hurts a lot.

The pies are a good side, and they'll probably take full advantage.

 

[jwint43]

Surprised to see only 31% have gone with Collingwood on footytips, ill take the roughie here happily. Wasn't super impressed by either team but they will surely be better skills wise this week. Collingwood have played Richmond well in recent years so I think they will get over the line just.

 

[Zoom]

Surprised to see only 31% have gone with Collingwood on footytips, ill take the roughie here happily. Wasn't super impressed by either team but they will surely be better skills wise this week. Collingwood have played Richmond well in recent years so I think they will get over the line just.

Haven’t they only won like two out of the last seven or something like that?

 

[dean33]

If we had our whole list available - which is what the question was implying - he wouldn't be in our best 22. Hasn't played good football in years now.

Yet you include wells?

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Usually it is soldiers in soldiers out but with Rance it's like 5 star General out, buck private in.
That's the difference with our injury list. However it's no excuse for a loss whatsoever. Jst sayin.....

 

[Mningasimisonda]

Tipping the Pies. Not sure why.

 

[woosha24]

The Rance injury will have a big impact. Anyone doubting that simply doesn't watch football.

On the flip side of your argument - if the Tigers lose tonight just because Rance wasn't there, then you'd have to argue that they aren't a great side.

Every successful side manages to cover injuries to Best 22 players. West Coast last year variously lost Kennedy, Darling, NicNat, Sheppard, Gaff, Shuey, Barrass and Ryan from their starting lineup, yet still managed to finish 2nd on the ladder and win the flag.

Your mob is missing 1 guy in defence. If Cox or DeGoey get a hold of you tonight then that isn't on Rance - that's on your team and your structures as a whole.