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[Elite Crow]

the reason we aren't going to have them playing SANFL is they are generally going to provide more output and make us more competitive

I am happy to lose games and play youth, some dumbos think actually playing youth will make us better in the short term, it will make us better long term (Maybe if they are any good) but worse short term

If they are replacing average players like Mackay, then no playing younger players won’t make us worse.

 

[hey shorty]

If they are replacing average players like Mackay, then no playing younger players won’t make us worse.

Best not try to reason why Marty, we know how that plays out.

 

[CrowinNT]

Please can Marty Burton -Sharenburggerr have a chat with EC in private

 

[marty36]

If they are replacing average players like Mackay, then no playing younger players won’t make us worse.

Will you stop with the mackay talk it infests every thread on the adelaide board he is a average footballer but provides more than a lot of the list but definetly doesnt lack endeavour or courage

Maybe thats why he gets picked because he would be in the top 5 on our list prepared to put himself in where most other players wont

Compare him.and betts on heart and courage its sad but true he has more guts

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[hey shorty]

Will you stop with the mackay talk it infests every thread on the adelaide board he is a average footballer but provides more than a lot of the list but definetly doesnt lack endeavour or courage

Maybe thats why he gets picked because he would be in the top 5 on our list prepared to put himself in where most other players wont

Compare him.and betts on heart and courage its sad but true he has more guts

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LOL, youve come out with some dribble in your time but this one has to go close to the top of the list.

 

[Elite Crow]

Will you stop with the mackay talk it infests every thread on the adelaide board he is a average footballer but provides more than a lot of the list but definetly doesnt lack endeavour or courage

Maybe thats why he gets picked because he would be in the top 5 on our list prepared to put himself in where most other players wont

Compare him.and betts on heart and courage its sad but true he has more guts

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But it’s relevant because Mackay is the exact player the younger ones should be replacing.

You don’t let your 18-22th player get to 200 games, that ranking is where you bring in young players to develop them and expect them to move up your teams rankings, that’s how you improve your team.

What you’re defending is a competitive mindset and yet you say you don’t just want to be competitive. You need to make up your mind.

 

[marty36]

But it’s relevant because Mackay is the exact player the younger ones should be replacing.

You don’t let your 18-22th player get to 200 games, that ranking is where you bring in young players to develop them and expect them to move up your teams rankings, that’s how you improve your team.

What you’re defending is a competitive mindset and yet you say you don’t just want to be competitive. You need to make up your mind.

IM not defending him

Im saying he is top 3 in our team for endeavour courage and guts, unfortunately he has average ability, he is fit, fast and has bucket loads of commitment.

The average thing is the problem, Gibbs was dropped because of his attitude, maybe Pyke wants players who put it all on the line, you seriously cant deny Mackay some credit because he does do that

 

[GreyCrow]

IM not defending him

Im saying he is top 3 in our team for endeavour courage and guts, unfortunately he has average ability, he is fit, fast and has bucket loads of commitment.

The average thing is the problem, Gibbs was dropped because of his attitude, maybe Pyke wants players who put it all on the line, you seriously cant deny Mackay some credit because he does do that

Do you personally believe ANY player should play 200 games having ''average ability''

 

[marty36]

Do you personally believe ANY player should play 200 games having ''average ability''

Yep there have been many many fringe footballers get to 200, they usually get the chance because the list has poor depth, says a bit of the tittle of the thread and the list now doesnt it

 

[GreyCrow]

Yep there have been many many fringe footballers get to 200, they usually get the chance because the list has poor depth, says a bit of the tittle of the thread and the list now doesnt it

No.Do YOU believe a player of average ability should get to 200 games

 

[marty36]

No.Do YOU believe a player of average ability should get to 200 games

Definetly but only if the list has no depth

Guess what this thread is about

 

[Elite Crow]

Definetly but only if the list has no depth

Guess what this thread is about

What was Rendell doing?

 

[marty36]

What was Rendell doing?

not enough obviously and what has Hamish been doing the last 7 years, again not much

 

[Elite Crow]

not enough obviously and what has Hamish been doing the last 7 years, again not much

More than Rendell but with less picks, but you already know that

 

[marty36]

More than Rendell but with less picks, but you already know that

I know you love making excuses

But that aint going to win us a flag

 

[Elite Crow]

I know you love making excuses

But that aint going to win us a flag

Less picks is just a reality, it’s not an excuse but you already know that

 

[marty36]

Less picks is just a reality, it’s not an excuse but you already know that

Not saying it doesn't make it harder, if we haven't got the ability from the fact we didn't have the picks should we have gone into rebuild mode get some good draft picks by tanking and go from there or stay competitive

 

[Elite Crow]

Not saying it doesn't make it harder, if we haven't got the ability from the fact we didn't have the picks should we have gone into rebuild mode get some good draft picks by tanking and go from there or stay competitive

That’s a club decision and not up to Ogilvie

 

[marty36]

That’s a club decision and not up to Ogilvie

I was asking your opinion you have one on everything else or do you go with the club like with Mackay

 

[Elite Crow]

I was asking your opinion you have one on everything else or do you go with the club like with Mackay

There have been times when we weren’t going to make the finals we should have tanked, like last year for example, but we prefer to scrape into the finals

 

[marty36]

There have been times when we weren’t going to make the finals we should have tanked, like last year for example, but we prefer to scrape into the finals

And this year

I thought last year was one year to have a crack after being in the GF

 

[Elite Crow]

And this year

I thought last year was one year to have a crack after being in the GF

When we started having so many injuries we should have tanked.

This year Carlton have our first pick so tanking would be worthless.

 

[marty36]

When we started having so many injuries we should have tanked.

This year Carlton have our first pick so tanking would be worthless.

I suppose playing kids will allow us to increase development but will cost us games and help with our second pick


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[Mike Smyth]

If only we played Gallucci ahead of spuds like Mackay, then he might be up to 40 games like some of the others on that list

Bingo!

 

[BrissyCrow]

So many differring views and many have merit. For me I think we actually do a good job in drafting players, getting them up to speed and evetually playing them. One concern I have about that process is that it can become elongated and I feel we run the risk of losing them. It Doedee a couple of years to get a game. Right at that point of time he couldve decided to ask to be traded or he could have dome what he did. Not every player will react like that. So whilst I believe we have a good system we still need to bring the players through. Lets look at McHenry. Will he hang around if he has to wait 3 years. Take a look at Port they have already played their main draft picks and good on them.

For me the area that we dont seem to make the most of is our trading. We all know about Gibbs and that took a year too long to put into place. Paul Seedsman, Jacobs, Jenkins and Betts have all been successful, but Gibson, Lowden, Tambling, Cheney (perhaps he was a semi successful) Troy Menzel, Curtly Hampton, Dean Gore haven't been. Comparing this lists of ins to our lists of outs ...Gunston, Dangerfield, McGovern, Lever, Cameron and Lyons. Now we have McAdam and Stengle who were targetted but havent made an appearance. When we trade surely its because we feel that player can slot in immediately.

I know I have missed out some players and I know that injuries dont help but my point is that recently we have taken players with our trades that appear to be a waste. Why dont we target players like Jordon Murdoch, Neale, McCarthy and many others......Anyway this is the area I feel we are doing poorly. Yes back in 2012 we got a few but more recently we haven't traded for any one exceptional other than Gibbs and at the time many warned us about his age.We need to do better