We're a Shit Show - Fagan is a Complete Fraud, We're Rotten to the Core

[Cole Dammett]

Is it bad that I'm kind of thinking the only way to see change at the AFC is if we have to give up a better draft pick to Carlton this year, so almost gunning for it to happen?

 

[FAITH]

If we lose to GC next week, it's impossible for pyke to stay on Imo.

Sad thing is Campo will probably take over.

 

[CH Jazz]

I'm so glad we keep buying other teams in unrelated sports. We're so good at AFL we can afford to lose focus on our core business.

This shit ****ing disgusts me. Every ****ing employee and every cent spent on anything that doesn’t assist winning football premierships is a mother ****ing waste. **** baseball. Esports?? **** esports right in its arse.

Spend the money to sort this shit out. Pay the football department tax, pay overs. Offer Clarko 3m a year. It’s not like we don’t have the money.

AFL premierships is the goal. That’s ****ing it.

 

[WetCrow1991]

It's not the board, it's not the football department, it's not the players.

If we played in a fair league we would be successful. Everything that we are currently, is the domino effect of being marginalised.

We have an identical record to the Eagles at the MCG. 40% winning record. One of those matches being a GF or not is not statistically significant. That's all magical thinking bullshit.

Strip all the mysticism away.

Wowee.

 

[WetCrow1991]

If we lose to GC next week, it's impossible for pyke to stay on Imo.

Sad thing is Campo will probably take over.

Oh, not if. We will. No way we beat a young, hungry side.

 

[Smoooothy]

Genuine question here

When we sacked Sando, was he actually the problem? We seem to have the same ****ing core of useless assistants, but they of course will get tenure

We'll do the same with Pyke. Move him on and get someone else. Campo will continue his golden ****ing ticket reign

 

[Rave Slave]

It's not the board, it's not the football department, it's not the players.

If we played in a fair league we would be successful. Everything that we are currently, is the domino effect of being marginalised.

We have an identical record to the Eagles at the MCG. 40% winning record. One of those matches being a GF or not is not statistically significant. That's all magical thinking bullshit.

Strip all the mysticism away.

It’s the unfair system that paid Tippett outside the cap?

It’s the unfair system that vowed to fight the proposed sanctions because we’d done nothing wrong?

It’s the unfair system that rolled over at the 11th hour and then accepted draft sanctions harsher than those handed out to Essendon for injecting its players with banned substances of a questionable nature?

It’s the unfair system that then proceeded to sack NOBODY for these actions? (well except a John Reid who was retiring anyway and we hired his son to make up for it)

It’s the unfair system that year in year out fails to retain our best young talent?

It’s the unfair system that when said talent goes then proceeds to receive unders in exchange for elite?

It’s the unfair system that has a history of choking when the heat goes up a notch? (see 2017 GF)

It’s the unfair system that has time and again selected players and rewarded them with contracts even after they have repeatedly failed to deliver when the blowtorch has been turned on them?

It’s the unfair system that announced Bryce Gibbs coming to the club before we’d even had the courtesy to speak to Carlton?

It’s the unfair system that paid overs for him a year later?

It’s the unfair system that watched our state based rival single handedly jump ahead of every pick we had in what was touted as a super draft for South Australian talent?

It’s the unfair system that keeps renewing contracts of coaches that have failed to deliver?

It’s the unfair system that keeps recruiting ex players into roles they’re not capable of fulfilling?

I could go on for days. Spare me the f*cking excuses. 40% win record at the G doesn’t matter a hoot if you keep consistently making Grand Finals. We’ve done it once in 20 years and choked it.

The system is nowhere near as broken as our football club.

 

[Wheatbelt Crow]

The club needs a full independent review, from someone who has no alliances with the club (not one of Roos pals)

In particular the process used to appoint coaches (not just head coaches).

In will never happen though.

 

[Interloperer]

When we sacked Sando, was he actually the problem?

He wasn't the only problem, and much less of a problem than those who've suffered no consequence for continuous failure. He has been outperformed by all those who have followed though.

 

[ShadeyP]

It’s the unfair system that paid Tippett outside the cap?

It’s the unfair system that vowed to fight the proposed sanctions because we’d done nothing wrong?

It’s the unfair system that rolled over at the 11th hours and then accepted draft sanctions harsher than those handed out to Essendon for injecting its players with banned substances of a questionable nature?

It’s the unfair system that then proceeded to sack NOBODY for these actions (well except a John Reid who was retiring anyway and we hired his son to make up for it?

It’s the unfair system that year in year out fails to retain our best young talent?

It’s the unfair system that when said talent goes then proceeds to receive unders in exchange for elite?

It’s the unfair system that has a history of choking when the heat goes up a notch (see 2017 GF)

It’s the unfair system that has time and again selected players and rewarded them with contracts even after they have repeatedly failed to deliver when the blowtorch has been turned on them?

It’s the unfair system that announced Bryce Gibbs coming to the club before we’d even had the courtesy to speak to Carlton?

It’s the unfair system that paid overs for him a year later?

It’s the unfair system that watched our state based rival single handedly jump ahead of every pick we had in what was touted as a super draft for South Australian talent?

It’s the unfair system that keeps renewing contracts of coaches that have failed to deliver?

It’s the unfair system that keeps recruiting ex players into roles they’re not capable of fulfilling?

I could go on for days. Spare me the f*cking excuses. 40% win record at the G doesn’t matter a hoot if you keep consistently making Grand Finals. We’ve done it once in 20 years and choked it.

The system is nowhere near as broken as our football club.

BRILLIANT AND ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON !

 

[FAITH]

The pressure got to Sando in the end, and when Roo was appointed to the board he never rated Sando.

 

[s town]

Kym Ryder is supposed to be our member rep on the board. We should contact him and ask him to push for a full independent review.

 

[GreyCrow]

Genuine question here

When we sacked Sando, was he actually the problem? We seem to have the same ******* core of useless assistants, but they of course will get tenure

We'll do the same with Pyke. Move him on and get someone else. Campo will continue his golden ******* ticket reign

This was running through my mind also

If Pyke goes we replace him with the same person from 4 years ago. 4 years.

Its like somebody is white-anting the senior coach. I wonder who that could be

 

[Rave Slave]

Get back to me in 20 years. You'll have figured it out by then, I assure you.

I actually admire your response here.

It’s much easier to feign superiority and avoid the conflict at hand all together than to walk into a gunfight holding a banana (which you’ve done on this board several times before).

 

[VKCrow]

If we lose to GC next week, it's impossible for pyke to stay on Imo.

Sad thing is Campo will probably take over.

 

[craig crowing]

How can you not lose faith after that debacle,
But there is no light at end of tunnel as there are no real answers in SANFL as our recruiting and trading been disastrous.
Where are all the posters that loved our use of the best draft selections we have ever had. Gaining two short people and what about our ego driven (Burtons fingers all over this) decision to give up 19 to get this years Carlton pick. Seriously we will be lucky to finish 1 or 2 above Carlton.
Talk about arrogance decisions.
A-- Electing mates onto board.
B --- Best one where we appointed then elevated Burton who has gone from a disaster at Brisbane to wrecking our club.
C-- Coaches -- lets go and grab some locals as they will do as we can elevate Campo to a more important role.

This is worse I have ever felt after a loss and cannot see how we are going to get back near top again until we suffer for few years .
But even then who is going to turn it around as Roo totally stuffed it up.

 

[MRB37]

Keep Pyke with a huge kick up the @rse to be more assertive with his selections and game day attitude. The rest have exhausted there chances time and time again, they can go to barber college for all I care.

It's a complete failure to ID his weaknesses. All coaches maybe bar a few have them, he needed a strong minded, experienced and pro-active senior assistant to put next to him. That probably would have been perfect for Sumich because Pyke trusts him and wanted him next to him, but heaven forbid we risk losing Campo.

 

[MRB37]

The club needs a full independent review, from someone who has no alliances with the club (not one of Roos pals)

In particular the process used to appoint coaches (not just head coaches).

In will never happen though.

Head coaches are appointed based on their willingness to push for finals. Scott Burns didn't get the job in 2012 because he told the board he thought we needed to rebuild.

 

[NTRabbit]

We needed an external review of the football department, a department that has not had any objectivity at all in nearly 15 years. The review was not done, and the department remains staffed by people who have no place at an AFL club, much as we have retained a number of players who belong at state level for far too long, and overrated much of what we have.

The club is blind to itself and refuses to listen to reason, essentially.

 

[jackster83]

We needed an external review of the football department, a department that has not had any objectivity at all in nearly 15 years. The review was not done, and the department remains staffed by people who have no place at an AFL club, much as we have retained a number of players who belong at state level for far too long, and overrated much of what we have.

The club is blind to itself and refuses to listen to reason, essentially.

I guess the question is - can we do anything about it now, during the season? Could we bring in someone to start overseeing the transition?

The GM of Football role is the domino that needs to fall first IMO.

 

[NTRabbit]

I guess the question is - can we do anything about it now, during the season? Could we bring in someone to start overseeing the transition?

The GM of Football role is the domino that needs to fall first IMO.

Right now? No. Nothing can be done until finals are mathematically gone, the rage in the supporter base boils over, and sponsors get unsettled and start questioning the value of their contract, because the only thing they will notice is a cratering of the bottom line.

 

[jackster83]

Sorry to intrude but could I get some dot points on why you guys think he’s a fraud?

Long story short, he promised us "the best football department" when he was appointed. Cokehead Ricciuto then appointed his mate Burton, who appointed his mate Hass (head of fitness) and a bunch of bargain basement assistants (Hart, Godden, Mattner).

 

[SaltPeter]

Right now? No. Nothing can be done until finals are mathematically gone, and the rage in the supporter base boils over and starts to seriously impact the bottom line.

Collingwood started their external review in season, albeit somewhat later

 

[jackster83]

Right now? No. Nothing can be done until finals are mathematically gone, and the rage in the supporter base boils over and starts to seriously impact the bottom line.

That's pretty depressing.

 

[NTRabbit]

Collingwood started their external review in season, albeit somewhat later

That's pretty depressing.

The board doesn't care what we think, they only care that we keep buying tickets, buying merch, and providing eyeballs for sponsors.

Big loss of money is the only thing that will force them into an external review, and that's a pressure that will take time to build.