Booing of Gary Ablett

[Drakescoffeecake]

So you don’t accept Ablett’s apology and explanation? You’re a hard man or should I say, person.

"Gay people are going to hell, but sorry"

If his liking of this post wasn't brought to light, would he be sorry? I think you know the answer to that.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Ablett made a foolish mistake, he acknowledged that and retracted his ‘like’. Move on.

Probably as simple as wanting to show support for a fellow Christian under siege.

He retracted the 'like' prior to the story being published, astutely foreseeing (or being advised of) the fallout that would result.

Having said that, it's any crowd's right to express disapproval through booing, whatever the reason.

More popcorn please.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

There's a problem with simply saying that the ancient texts condemn homosexuality. They say an awful lot of peculiar things. Quite apart from the infamous injunctions in Leviticus, there's the injunction for a jubilee in Deuteronomy which demands the freeing of all slaves and the forgiveness of all debts every 50 years. Imagine everyone's mortgage would be cancelled every 50 years! I don't recall any evangelist demanding that, for all that they're into a literal interpretation of the bible. But of course the likes of Scomo or the rich US tele-evangelists are never going to argue for something like that. They pick and choose which bits of the bible they want to emphasise. Similarly, homophobia within the Islamic world is a classic case of "invented tradition". Historically, the Islamic world was far more tolerant of male homosexuality than was the west. As recently as the 1970s it was common for western gay intellectuals to hang out in North Africa for that very reason, because they were tolerated there. So to say a religion has an issue with homosexuality is problematic because it treats a religion as homogeneous, whereas no religion is.

If your argument is that religion is highly hypocritial and subjective based on a pre-conceived narrative - you are preaching to the converted

As an atheist I find the need to have a belief in a sky daddy mind blowing

However I do accept that people hold these faiths close to their chest and should be able to worship what they like. Like I accept that people have different sexualities. Live and let live

We accept that people don’t choose their sexuality, as crazy as it might seem - perhaps people don’t choose their religion - maybe they do indeed get a calling

Ultimately as long as they aren’t promoting hate speech and criminal activities - let them believe and promote what they want.

Ultimately it comes down to whether you think being damned to hell is hate speech. Personally I don’t - it’s mythical

Had he said they should be stoned however...

 

[Ron The Bear]

There's a problem with simply saying that the ancient texts condemn homosexuality. They say an awful lot of peculiar things. Quite apart from the infamous injunctions in Leviticus, there's the injunction for a jubilee in Deuteronomy which demands the freeing of all slaves and the forgiveness of all debts every 50 years. Imagine everyone's mortgage would be cancelled every 50 years! I don't recall any evangelist demanding that, for all that they're into a literal interpretation of the bible. But of course the likes of Scomo or the rich US tele-evangelists are never going to argue for something like that. They pick and choose which bits of the bible they want to emphasise. Similarly, homophobia within the Islamic world is a classic case of "invented tradition". Historically, the Islamic world was far more tolerant of male homosexuality than was the west. As recently as the 1970s it was common for western gay intellectuals to hang out in North Africa for that very reason, because they were tolerated there. So to say a religion has an issue with homosexuality is problematic because it treats a religion as homogeneous, whereas no religion is.

If you really want to understand the modern interpretation of the Bible, read the Catechism.

 

[Freshwater]

Penny Wong, Peter Garrett, Tim Winton, Kevin Rudd, Malcolm Turnbull, Bill Shorten, Scott Morrison etc all publicity confessed Christians. Christianity is not illegal.....yet. But for how long. Will they be now vilified like homosexuals in the past? Is freedom from f speech still a thing? Is pressing a like, for an unadulterated New Testament passage now a hate crime?
I think we all need to read the whole chapter, that the passage was taken from, and probably all of Corinthians, to gain a perspective of what Paul was trying to say. Just because you’ve lived a certain way in the past, you are always able to redeem yourself. No judgment, no condemnation, just love.

 

[footscray1973]

I think the solution is for Ablett, Folau (and Katie Brennan and/or Monique Conti) to be hung, drawn and quartered. That would certainly cheer up my week. I wouldn't watch though, as I'm a tad squeamish when it comes to that sort of stuff.

 

[Sttew]

"Gay people are going to hell, but sorry"

If his liking of this post wasn't brought to light, would he be sorry? I think you know the answer to that.

You didn’t read his explanation did you?

 

[ANDYG5]

Can't believe how much this is getting blown up, I'm pretty sure the Hawks supporters were booing Ablett in the same game last year. Who knows why. Some supporters would rather boo the opposition than cheer for their own players. Giving these Hawthorn supporters too much credit to suggest they were taking a stance against Homophobia, the majority of the crowd just wanted to boo a Geelong player who was playing well as they do every year.

 

[juss]

Pagan celebrations that were "Christianised" as part of its spread through Europe. Notwithstanding, it is a silly point to try and argue - I can't stand horse racing though of course I take Melbourne Cup day off. Anyone who wants to work when a day off is on offer needs their brain checked.

Not talking about taking a day off work, I'd do that whenever possible. I'm talking about do people who mock religious views as a "make believe man in the sky" also say Happy Easter, Merry Christmas, got married in a church or with a religious ceremony, baptize their children, send their kids to Christian schools that go through things like communion or confirmation, etc. It would be weird to celebrate those holidays or partake in those events without any remote Christian faith. I mean I don't go around and celebrate Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or Islamic holidays or offer greetings on these holidays. I would think logically those people wouldn't do any of those things, but I've seen many cases where they do which I find odd.

I'm not even an active or practicing Christian, but I would still identify as such with the caveat that I'm not overly religious, but I do believe in some sort of higher power and the possibility of the afterlife, though it's something I'm not sure of, and there'll only be one possible way of ever finding out. I call it God because that's the faith I was raised in and the language I speak, but I don't get caught up in every sentence of the Bible, although there are certain messages and guidelines that have value I think, that I learnt through school growing up.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Removing a like and following that up with an excuse on social media doesn't mean people will just forgive him and his obvious homophobia, it is 2019 after all.

Interesting that all anyone points out is Gary being homophobic, when there was several more on Izzy’s list, maybe Ablett likes ‘some’ of what was on the tweet? After all he went to social media to clarify that he loves all people.

He shouldn’t have liked it in the first place, because as you say it is 2019 afterall and the world we live in is ****ed, but it wasn’t ‘just a homophobic tweet’!

 

[juss]

while ablett is saying gay people are evil simply for being gay.

100% incorrect. You are completely wrong on this. Ablett never said this, nor did he actually state anything himself, in fact the original post did not reference the word evil at all either.

Abletts vilification of gay people is both completely unfounded and general to all gays, while the 'vilification' of him is directed at him alone and in response to his own hateful actions.

Arguably wrong again. Ablett hasn't directly vilified homosexuals, he has liked a religious post about repentance of what his religion believes to be sins. By your logic, he is also vilifying fornicators, drinkers, liars, etc. or basically things that the majority of the western world would have done at some point, including all his footy mates. So your logic is it's more likely he hates and vilifies the majority of the world and most people he knows rather than just off the cuff liking a religious post from another sportsmen who shares his religious faith and devout Christianity?

Only an absolute moron cannot see this.

Well done on assuming the tolerant stance of "anyone who has a different view than me is a moron"

 

[STPer18]

So...what's the difference exactly? The use of the word *** make its homophobic ? So you'd be okay with God hates Homosexuals and Homosexuals die god laughs? After all God obviously doesn't like homosexuals if he's sending them to hell, a place of torment and punishment.

When has Ablett ever stated that 'God hates Homosexuals and Homosexuals die god laughs'. You're just making stuff up now. Here is what he actually said:

As a Christian, I believe that God sent his one and only son Jesus to die on the cross so that anyone can come to have an intimate and personal relationship with him. This is the core message behind why I believe we celebrate Easter. I also believe that we are all sinners, that no one including myself is exempt from this and this is why Jesus died for us so that we could all be forgiven by God.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

When has Ablett ever stated that 'God hates Homosexuals and Homosexuals die god laughs'. You're just making stuff up now. Here is what he actually said:

I never said he said that. Let's get to the crux of it. Do you think the statement 'Homosexuals repent your sins or go to hell' is homophobic?

 

[theyellowsash]

100% incorrect. You are completely wrong on this. Ablett never said this, nor did he actually state anything himself, in fact the original post did not reference the word evil at all either.



Arguably wrong again. Ablett hasn't directly vilified homosexuals, he has liked a religious post about repentance of what his religion believes to be sins. By your logic, he is also vilifying fornicators, drinkers, liars, etc. or basically things that the majority of the western world would have done at some point, including all his footy mates. So your logic is it's more likely he hates and vilifies the majority of the world and most people he knows rather than just off the cuff liking a religious post from another sportsmen who shares his religious faith and devout Christianity?



Well done on assuming the tolerant stance of "anyone who has a different view than me is a moron"

Nope

 

[juss]

Nope

Intelligent Response. Can I ask which part of the post below is wrong? Your response suggests you don't have a counter argument and know what you posted is absolute rubbish.


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while ablett is saying gay people are evil simply for being gay.

100% incorrect. You are completely wrong on this. Ablett never said this, nor did he actually state anything himself, in fact the original post did not reference the word evil at all either.

Abletts vilification of gay people is both completely unfounded and general to all gays, while the 'vilification' of him is directed at him alone and in response to his own hateful actions.

Arguably wrong again. Ablett hasn't directly vilified homosexuals, he has liked a religious post about repentance of what his religion believes to be sins. By your logic, he is also vilifying fornicators, drinkers, liars, etc. or basically things that the majority of the western world would have done at some point, including all his footy mates. So your logic is it's more likely he hates and vilifies the majority of the world and most people he knows rather than just off the cuff liking a religious post from another sportsmen who shares his religious faith and devout Christianity?

Only an absolute moron cannot see this.

Well done on assuming the tolerant stance of "anyone who has a different view than me is a moron"
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[halalsnackpack]

If Houli or Saad got booed all the hand wringing inner city do-gooder types on here would be calling for a royal commission, even though they probably have more radical views on homosexuality !!

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

It's all good folks. Robbo's put pen to paper and told everyone to stop booing. That will stop them in their tracks.

That aside, can we go through the 'Player being booed by opposition fans' checklist?

• "They must be racists!"
• "They were saying 'Boo-urns'!"
• "When did we all become snowflakes who can't cop a little booing?"
• "I hope he gets booed every week, if it means he plays like that!"

We've covered it all? Cool. I guess we'll see each other again in a variation of this thread when some other player is being booed in two weeks.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

Interesting that all anyone points out is Gary being homophobic, when there was several more on Izzy’s list, maybe Ablett likes ‘some’ of what was on the tweet? After all he went to social media to clarify that he loves all people.

He shouldn’t have liked it in the first place, because as you say it is 2019 afterall and the world we live in is ******, but it wasn’t ‘just a homophobic tweet’!

The difference is the other people on the list don't face the discrimination and prejudice that gay people do. The perfect is example is football. There would be plenty of current gay AFL footballers, and plenty in the past. Why has none of them ever come out? Because they would cop absolute shit. Better now than 30 years ago, but they'd still cop it. Let's have a look at the rest of the list, Drunks, Fornicators, Athiests , all things footballers would freely admit to, as there is little to no prejudice towards these groups, hey I'm sure drunks and fornicators are celebrated. Adulterers and thieves, well who's going to admit to this? Cheating on your wife, stealing shit.. is actually wrong. and last idolaters, the worship of idols, not really applicable in this day and age. Though footballers are worshipped like idols to a degree, but you know people aren't going to be insulted or degraded for that. So what's the one stands out... Homosexuals... people who happen to love people of the same sex. They're doing nothing wrong, but there are people saying they will go to hell for what they're doing. That's why this thread isn't about drunkphobia, athiestphobia because these aren't major discriminatory problems, not in our society anyway.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

You didn’t read his explanation did you?

I did actually and think it's a load of crap.

 

[romeohwho]

Probably as simple as wanting to show support for a fellow Christian under siege.

He retracted the 'like' prior to the story being published, astutely foreseeing (or being advised of) the fallout that would result.

Having said that, it's any crowd's right to express disapproval through booing, whatever the reason.

More popcorn please.

Yep- agree with all this.

 

[romeohwho]

Too little, too late.

I don’t think people understand the ramifications of his “like”.

FWIW, everyone who liked that post even for a second are in the same boat.

I’ll be booing Matthew Kennedy too, but doubt he’d get a game.

Yep, your prerogative to take that view. I am happy to let it go.
Strikes me that people take great delight in being outraged these days.

 

[Sttew]

I did actually and think it's a load of crap.

And no doubt you will remain outraged because you need a convenient reason to dislike Ablett

 

[theyellowsash]

Intelligent Response. Can I ask which part of the post below is wrong? Your response suggests you don't have a counter argument and know what you posted is absolute rubbish.


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100% incorrect. You are completely wrong on this. Ablett never said this, nor did he actually state anything himself, in fact the original post did not reference the word evil at all either.



Arguably wrong again. Ablett hasn't directly vilified homosexuals, he has liked a religious post about repentance of what his religion believes to be sins. By your logic, he is also vilifying fornicators, drinkers, liars, etc. or basically things that the majority of the western world would have done at some point, including all his footy mates. So your logic is it's more likely he hates and vilifies the majority of the world and most people he knows rather than just off the cuff liking a religious post from another sportsmen who shares his religious faith and devout Christianity?



Well done on assuming the tolerant stance of "anyone who has a different view than me is a moron"
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incorrect

 

[Wargreymon90]

Hypothetically, homophobia is as bad as racism and if you had to boo someone, someone homophobic is a pretty good reason.

 

[XXRL]

The AFL is a circus run by clowns.

How does blowing this up in the media achieve anything? They can't make crowds not boo.

All they're doing is drawing attention to it, which will ensure it continues.

That's without mentioning the obvious personal stake that Hocking has involving a Geelong player.

Seems that the only reason they're bringing it up is so they don't get accused of not doing anything down the track if it all turns to shit and Ablett quits or something.

Circus. Clowns.