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[LuckyLee]

WHE is exactly like that just at a lower possession rate. Mitchell spends more time on the inside which frees up De Goey, Crisp and Pendlebury on the outside to deliver to our forwards.

I disagree with your first premise.

WHE wins nearly all his possessions close to the boundary line or drifting deep forward. His inside-50 count is low. By contrast, Lipinski wins most of his possessions in or close to the centre square and has a high inside-50 count. They are very different players in more than just number of disposals. Lippa is a much bigger loss and harder to cover than you think.


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[sr36]

I disagree with your first premise.

WHE wins nearly all his possessions close to the boundary line or drifting deep forward. His inside-50 count is low. By contrast, Lipinski wins most of his possessions in or close to the centre square and has a high inside-50 count. They are very different players in more than just number of disposals. Lippa is a much bigger loss and harder to cover than you think.


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With Mitchell in, I'd slot Pendles into Lipinski's role of last year.

 

[Bianconeri]

I disagree with your first premise.

WHE wins nearly all his possessions close to the boundary line or drifting deep forward. His inside-50 count is low. By contrast, Lipinski wins most of his possessions in or close to the centre square and has a high inside-50 count. They are very different players in more than just number of disposals. Lippa is a much bigger loss and harder to cover than you think.


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Based on what you are describing I’d still call WHE a lower possession outside version of Lipniski. You may disagree with the first premise but it’s the least relevant one, since WHE is just going to play the same role as last season. What the actual difference is who Mitchell’s pushing out Lipinski’s role.

 

[magpies42]

I don’t have a problem with that part of the narrative.


Bucks could have went the route fly went and gained experience at multiple clubs as a development coach and an assistant to round out his skill instead chose the hardest job with the lowest amount of experience possible.

New coaches can work…probably bringing Collingwood legends back to coach is the issue. You can’t deny that more went wrong around him than right? All of which was out of his control, it was instane…nobody would have lasted 10 years

 

[Bianconeri]

New coaches can work…probably bringing Collingwood legends back to coach is the issue. You can’t deny that more went wrong around him than right? All of which was out of his control, it was instane…nobody would have lasted 10 years

He caused most of his own issues by accepting the job.

He shouldn’t have been kept on for 10 years.

 

[sr36]

New coaches can work…probably bringing Collingwood legends back to coach is the issue. You can’t deny that more went wrong around him than right? All of which was out of his control, it was instane…nobody would have lasted 10 years

After Bucks, Voss, Hird I don't think we'll see another coach get appointed with so little coaching experience.

 

[Mollythedolly]

If we comparing to 2022 then Mitchell more than covers Lipinski with WHE playing the same role.

You seem to be mistaking quantum for quality.

 

[magpies42]

After Bucks, Voss, Hird I don't think we'll see another coach get appointed with so little coaching experience.

Yet Buckley almost pulled it off, despite all the issues being outside of his control.

 

[magpies42]

He caused most of his own issues by accepting the job.

He shouldn’t have been kept on for 10 years.

The only thing he may have contributed to was Malthouse saltiness, but even then when the deal was struck Malthouses wife was unwell and he was considering giving it up. Mick changed his mind.

Buckley wasn’t responsible for: the racism scandal, the drug scandals, Eddie’s gaffs, the injuries (the soft tissue injuries now mysteriously disappeared after they fixed the training ground!), the salary cap debacle, Eddie making captains calls on player contracts and trades, poor list management, the footy department turn over and debacle, all compounded by consistently poor umpiring and media piling on. No coach would have survived 10 years of this without losing the player group and under performing. Even Alastair Clarkson would have failed in the same conditions.

 

[Pacman Carney]

He caused most of his own issues by accepting the job.

He shouldn’t have been kept on for 10 years.

…….one Dom Sheed kick away from Bucks still coaching….. and Simpson getting the arse 2 years ago.

 

[jonbe54]

Malthouse was critical of the club after he left of his own accord.
He still thought he had something to prove at Carlton & we know how that turned out.
That said, the succession plan was never going to work - Eddie just couldn't stand to see Bucks going to another club, so he cooked it up.
Succession planning didn't work for Hawthorn either.

In general you're correct but firstly it nearly did and with any sort of even break with the umpiring in the '18 GF it would have and secondly Malthouse left a toxic mess behind him as he did at west coast.

But if Collingwood had followed best practice Bucks would have been sent off for at least 5 years to learn the caper outside the club he had always loved and then been welcomed back into a junior position to work his way up.

 

[Bianconeri]

The only thing he may have contributed to was Malthouse saltiness, but even then when the deal was struck Malthouses wife was unwell and he was considering giving it up. Mick changed his mind.

Buckley wasn’t responsible for: the racism scandal, the drug scandals, Eddie’s gaffs, the injuries (the soft tissue injuries now mysteriously disappeared after they fixed the training ground!), the salary cap debacle, Eddie making captains calls on player contracts and trades, poor list management, the footy department turn over and debacle, all compounded by consistently poor umpiring and media piling on. No coach would have survived 10 years of this without losing the player group and under performing. Even Alastair Clarkson would have failed in the same conditions.

Irrespective of Mick’s position bucks shouldn’t have been offered the coaching job.

All of bucks issues were caused by him accepting the job with little experience when the playing group didn’t want him. When he got past those issues he was still an average tactician and man manager.

Interesting you mention Eddie making captain calls since that’s exactly how Bucks got the job, you can’t claim he was a victim of that.

Lel on your Clarkson take.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

He caused most of his own issues by accepting the job.

He shouldn’t have been kept on for 10 years.

One could say the same for Malthouse. It’s amazing how a Stephen Milne ball bounce and a Dom Sheed kick and umpiring decision can change perceptions. Bottom line is they both deserved long tenures.

Bucks definitely was handed a poisoned challice when joining the club as Malthouse premiership list wasn’t as strong as it was thought to be at the time. Many of our younger/ next generation players in 2010/11 proved to be little more than role players ( Blair macaffer Dawes Goldsack fasolo ) , whilst some of our senior players suffered a lot of injuries ( ball Krakouer Reid N Brown jolly, swan forced early retirement). Plus some difficult to manage players ( thomas o briwn Beams Wellingham h Shaw), only one of which did anything decent at his new club. Any new coach would have faced the same list rebuild dilemma.

 

['51 Bewick]

Hi folks,
A question in relation to my keeper league regarding Arlo Draper.
How is he progressing and do you see him getting any games this season? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.

 

[Bianconeri]

One could say the same for Malthouse. It’s amazing how a Stephen Milne ball bounce and a Dom Sheed kick and umpiring decision can change perceptions. Bottom line is they both deserved long tenures.

Bucks definitely was handed a poisoned challice when joining the club as Malthouse premiership list wasn’t as strong as it was thought to be at the time. Many of our younger/ next generation players in 2010/11 proved to be plodders, whilst some of our senior players suffered a lot of injuries. Any new coach would have faced the same list rebuild dilemma.

2010 we were the best side in the home and away season, 2018 we beat one top at side in the h and a. Those sides aren’t comparable, Bucks had far more luck getting that far than luck hindering him.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

2010 we were the best side in the home and away season, 2018 we beat one top at side in the h and a. Those sides aren’t comparable, Bucks had far more luck getting that far than luck hindering him.

That’s fine for you to think it was just luck. To win a gf you need to make the gf, doesn’t matter how you get there or where you finished on the ladder.

In 2012 bucks took that same 2010 premiership list to a Prelim before it became obvious the party was over with that combination of players. After all, they were therabouts for six years…. 2007-2012 inclusive.. and a rebuild was due. He inherited a far weaker list than people assume. It had no depth, and recent recruits to get us over the line like L brown, ball and jolly as well as Tarrant and Krakouer were all short term fixes. Didak Johnson and Davis also retired. There was not a single player from that 2010 vfl list that had any potential ( it was pretty much a retirement village... Fraser O’Bree presti Lockyer medhurst wood etc) ... our young depth in 2010 was nil.

 

[gouki88]

Hi folks,
A question in relation to my keeper league regarding Arlo Draper.
How is he progressing and do you see him getting any games this season? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.

He was looking very solid in the VFL to end last season. He's missed a bit of training & the preseason competitions (so perhaps a niggling injury), but lots of us are high on him.

 

[KrispyKremePie]

Technically he borrowed the 'If it bleeds...' line from Arnie in Predator.

I want to see Bruzzie grab a boom box playing 'Going to have some fun tonight' on the boundary line

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[JuniorB]

In general you're correct but firstly it nearly did and with any sort of even break with the umpiring in the '18 GF it would have and secondly Malthouse left a toxic mess behind him as he did at west coast.

But if Collingwood had followed best practice Bucks would have been sent off for at least 5 years to learn the caper outside the club he had always loved and then been welcomed back into a junior position to work his way up.

Yes, a proper apprenticeship would have been better for Bucks than learning on the job.

 

[Bianconeri]

That’s fine for you to think it was just luck. To win a gf you need to make the gf, doesn’t matter how you get there or where you finished on the ladder.

2012 bucks took that same list to a Prelim before it became obvious the party was over with that combination of players. He inherited a far weaker list than people assume. It had no depth, and recent recruits to get us over the line like L brown, ball and jolly as well as Tarrant and Krakouer were all short term fixes. Didak Johnson and Davis also retired. There was not a single player from that 2010 vfl list that had any potential ( it was pretty much a retirement village... Fraser O’Bree presti Lockyer medhurst wood etc) ... our young depth in 2010 was nil.

If you want to believe the 2018 side is close to our 2010 that’s up to you. For mine the far better team with the far better coach got the result whilst the other didn’t.

Bucks chose to inherit that list under qualified when half those players didn’t even want him to.

 

[Doc1763]

A few action shots from training yesterday. First time I've been to training in many moons.

 

[Doc1763]

A few individual shots from training yesterday.

 

[Gaspard]

I don't know why we still have the seemingly endless sniping at and defence of, Buckley as coach. It is over. He gave it all he had. Circumstances didn't favour him. He has never talked down the club. We have a new coach now. At least he training thread could focus on the present.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

If you want to believe the 2018 side is close to our 2010 that’s up to you. For mine the far better team with the far better coach got the result whilst the other didn’t.

Bucks chose to inherit that list under qualified when half those players didn’t even want him to.

I believe that bucks was a kick from a flag and Malthouse was a bounce from no flag.

I don’t recall comparing the 2010 side to the 2018 side, although you make a great point that bucks made a GF with a lesser list. You also make a good point that the players had too much power in 2011/12. Or thought they did.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I don't know why we still have the seemingly endless sniping at and defence of, Buckley as coach. It is over. He gave it all he had. Circumstances didn't favour him. He has never talked down the club. We have a new coach now. At least he training thread could focus on the present.

Good point, I was sucked into the vortex again. Collingwood has a proud history of giving its coaches long tenures rather than drop them on a whim and I’m sure that will continue with Fly.