Player Watch Brayden Maynard

[Queenie Hearts]

Exactly for all he knew old mate Bradshaw could have sold some candy and danced around him...

from my Delorean

To owe a duty of care you need to establish a negligent act. They cannot argue that the jumping to smother the ball is a negligent act as it is within the rules and a common occurrence (note Whately on 360 sounds plausible but is wrong in his analysis).

Once he is in the air, what is the negligent “act” in the split second?
He is falling and bracing for a fall (not a bump) to protect himself as Brayshaw veers into him and he turns his body. Brayshaw is the one on the ground who could change direction more than a person falling through the air.

The result of the accident was an unfortunate injury that had extra implications for this particular player who has a bad history with concussion. That is not relevant to the assessment of whether there is a negligent act giving rise to a duty of care.

Neither is the family trauma relevant. They are hurt at the impact on him physically and career wise and that is causing them to direct anger at a guy doing an act within the rules.

Angus made a decision to continue playing a contact support where concussion is an ongoing likelihood. He puts his head over the ball and the football following community lauds him for it. I have a serious concern about players who have had multiple serious concussions taking on this risk. The family are all to aware of where this leads. Again that has nothing to do with the incident.

Emotions are running high and there is no “justice” for random accidents. Crappy things happen.
Nick Daicos has been out for weeks due to a contact injury, Howey had a very serious injury from a marking contest that could have ended his career. This is not fair and can be sad but again, there is no culpability for lots on injuries that occur on a football field.

I fully expect that this will result in Maynard playing based on the current rules and the Lynch precedent regarding bracing for contact. It all happens in the blink of any eye.

They can change the rules later but it is hard fathom what that would be in the context of a smother.




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[The Royal Sampler]

Didn’t Duncan collide with a North player after jumping for a smother?

Yes, Aaron Hall. Apparently it needs to be included in some instructional DVD for us to be able to cite it as precedent, however, and it wasn’t. Sideswipe may be able to explain better than I.

 

[thommo_legend]

Players play largely on instincts, there is only so much coaching a player can receive. Maynard pushed hard early so that Brayshaw would have to kick over him, which would make it easier for the defenders down the line to contest. It happens alot out of a centre clearance, you can't tell me Geelong players don't do this because he's coaching them to attack this situation differently. He's just a knob.

 

[YouBeauty]

If this wasnt collingwood or brayshaw it wouldnt be as big.

Unfortunately maynard will likely be suspended.

This wouldve happened if it was a final and if it was the same 2 players a few years ago if they were involved in other footy acts that are now suspend-able if the footy act gets the player in the head.

After concussions became a huge growing issue
When the first bum unintentionally knocked someone out, we all got upset. And the players get suspended

When the first tackle unintentionally knocked someone out, we all got upset.
And the players get suspended.

Both are footy action.

When the first smother/jumping into face of player in footy act unintentionally knocked someone out. Guess what happens.

Look above. People get upset (mostly the largest/noisiest club in the nation)
And players will get suspended…

The fact MC did what he did proves Bias in AFL house to do whatever they can to Get the powerhouse into the Grand Final and Win it.

Credit to the new Head of Footy for using her brains and puting MC to absolute shame.

MC should be sacked, such an old fossil and so inconsistent. His been the worst employee of AFL ever.

**** off idiot

 

[Harry O]

Well, Chris Scott and Ross Lyon - two pretty brutal players in their day - didn't do Maynard any favours on AFL360. They were both leaning towards suspension, seemingly with heavy hearts (or the pretence thereof).

I think its a near certainty that he'll initially be suspended. Ultimately his fate will rest on appeal, and whether we can successfully argue that the collision wasn't "reasonably foreseeable" when Maynard leaped into the air to attempt to smother the ball. If we can, then its fails the AFL's definition of "careless" and there is no case to answer.

There is no doubt the afl are pulling out all levers to get a suspension but to think he is any more or less chance of being cleared due to comments in media is a bit fanciful I think

 

[sideswipe]

To owe a duty of care you need to establish a negligent act. They cannot argue that the jumping to smother the ball is a negligent act as it is within the rules and a common occurrence (note Whately on 360 sounds plausible but is wrong in his analysis).

Once he is in the air, what is the negligent “act” in the split second?
He is falling and bracing for a fall (not a bump) to protect himself as Brayshaw veers into him and he turns his body. Brayshaw is the one on the ground who could change direction more than a person falling through the air.

The result of the accident was an unfortunate injury that had extra implications for this particular player who has a bad history with concussion. That is not relevant to the assessment of whether there is a negligent act giving rise to a duty of care.

Neither is the family trauma relevant. They are hurt at the impact on him physically and career wise and that is causing them to direct anger at a guy doing an act within the rules.

Angus made a decision to continue playing a contact support where concussion is an ongoing likelihood. He puts his head over the ball and the football following community lauds him for it. I have a serious concern about players who have had multiple serious concussions taking on this risk. The family are all to aware of where this leads. Again that has nothing to do with the incident.

Emotions are running high and there is no “justice” for random accidents. Crappy things happen.
Nick Daicos has been out for weeks due to a contact injury, Howey had a very serious injury from a marking contest that could have ended his career. This is not fair and can be sad but again, there is no culpability for lots on injuries that occur on a football field.

I fully expect that this will result in Maynard playing based on the current rules and the Lynch precedent regarding bracing for contact. It all happens in the blink of any eye.

They can change the rules later but it is hard fathom what that would be in the context of a smother.




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QH I am on your side but to say you need negligence before a duty of care is created shows a wonderful one-eyedness.


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[Black_White]

There is no doubt the afl are pulling out all levers to get a suspension but to think he is any more or less chance of being cleared due to comments in media is a bit fanciful I think

Media can say all they like.
When the AFL hierarchy have already sent the word down then the media storm means nothing.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Chris Scott just upset he's not in the cool kids clique from that Brissy team with Fly, Voss and Leppa. He needs to go to jelly school.

Always got the impression Fly and Scott were never close despite being teammates.

It's clear Fly has great affection for Voss despite coaching the arch enemy.

 

[sam_e]

Players play largely on instincts, there is only so much coaching a player can receive. Maynard pushed hard early so that Brayshaw would have to kick over him, which would make it easier for the defenders down the line to contest. It happens alot out of a centre clearance, you can't tell me Geelong players don't do this because he's coaching them to attack this situation differently. He's just a knob.

Maynard actually partly smothers/ touches the ball

Keep your eyes on the ball spin (top screen)

Bartel seeing red over comment after Brayshaw blow

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Just also heard the report about Bruz visit to Angus house as “awkward” as there were already some Melbourne players and they were angered by it.. one of them had to remove themselves from the room. If true what a bunch of absolute self righteous w***ers. What a legend fronting up and making that effort to check in.

Class from Maynard to actually front up and check in to see how Brayshaw is going.

Can't have been easy for him, but it's the right thing to do.

 

[Jafo]

You wait until the sting next year if we win the flag and Bruzzy misses. He'll be like a raging bull. Fingers crossed

Or quelled like JDG was after Eagles suspension.

 

[LuckyLee]

There is no doubt the afl are pulling out all levers to get a suspension but to think he is any more or less chance of being cleared due to comments in media is a bit fanciful I think

Well, the tribunal members are human and susceptible to being influenced by public outrage, which certainly can be whipped up by the media. It got saturation coverage on SEN today and the temperature/tone was definitely on the rise. Supporters of 17 other clubs are collectively very happy to see Maynard/Collingwood cop a whack and didn't hesitate to voice it today.

 

[Antz]

Just also heard the report about Bruz visit to Angus house as “awkward” as their were already some Melbourne players and they were angered by it.. one of them had to remove themselves from the room. If true what a bunch of absolute self righteous w***ers. What a legend fronting up and making that effort to check in.

I hope Carlton beat them this week. Should I be saying that?

 

[3rdMan]

Yes, Aaron Hall. Apparently it needs to be included in some instructional DVD for us to be able to cite it as precedent, however, and it wasn’t. Sideswipe may be able to explain better than I.

This was two years ago. Anything more than a year old becomes a bit obsolete when it comes to head contact. That one he basically collided back first with Hall.

Hall knocked out after Duncan's smother attempt

Geelong's Mitch Duncan collects Aaron Hall, who subsequently gets ruled out of the game

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[PonsfordMagpie]

I hope Carlton beat them this week. Should I be saying that?

Don't say that

 

[VinnieB]

Yep, watching AFL360 I didn’t think I could dislike Chris Scott any more. But I do. Not only has he found fault with what Maynard did, but he managed to blame Fly for it, for not coaching Bruzzy to avoid it.

To be fair I didn’t interpret it the same way. Scott said that Maynard reminds him of Stewart in how they attack the ball. He did say that they have had to really try to make Stewart change the way he went about it given the risk of being charged. I’m fairly sure when Robbo interrupted him they all agreed Fly would probably be doing the same as all coaches would.

 

[Pistol Night]

Don't say that

Either of them aren't getting past Brissy anyway

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Either of them aren't getting past Brissy anyway

Agree. Brisbane at the Gabba is a fortress for them.

 

[Chameleon75]

If this wasnt collingwood or brayshaw it wouldnt be as big.

Unfortunately maynard will likely be suspended.

This wouldve happened if it was a final and if it was the same 2 players a few years ago if they were involved in other footy acts that are now suspend-able if the footy act gets the player in the head.

After concussions became a huge growing issue
When the first bum unintentionally knocked someone out, we all got upset. And the players get suspended

When the first tackle unintentionally knocked someone out, we all got upset.
And the players get suspended.

Both are footy action.

When the first smother/jumping into face of player in footy act unintentionally knocked someone out. Guess what happens.

Look above. People get upset (mostly the largest/noisiest club in the nation)
And players will get suspended…

The fact MC did what he did proves Bias in AFL house to do whatever they can to Get the powerhouse into the Grand Final and Win it.

Credit to the new Head of Footy for using her brains and puting MC to absolute shame.

MC should be sacked, such an old fossil and so inconsistent. His been the worst employee of AFL ever.

 

[Pistol Night]

Agree. Brisbane at the Gabba is a fortress for them.

Theyll be all confy and cozy at the GABBA until they realise what their MCG record is

 

[unplugged]

How many steps did Brayshaw take after kicking the ball before he got collided with?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Maynard actually partly smothers/ touches the ball

Keep your eyes on the ball spin (top screen)

Bartel seeing red over comment after Brayshaw blow

Hard to be certain, but the ball spin does appear to change after passing Maynard’s hands on the footage from behind the goals (head-on).

 

[LuckyLee]

The footage shown in On the Couch does clearly show that Brayshaw did veer slightly into the path of the descending Maynard. I hadn't seen that as clearly before tonight. Surely that change of direction by Brayshaw should help us in arguing that the collision could not have been "reasonably foreseen" when Maynard leaped into the air to attempt the smother.

On the bracing for impact side of it, Maynard is flying through the air at speed, height and full-extension, completely exposed. His genitals, internal organs and face are all unprotected when he realises that impact is likely. Its a completely natural reflex to pull in his arms and turn his hips to protect the exposed parts of his body from the impending impact. The idea that he could consciously over-ride that natural reflex instinct in a fraction of a second and do something different to protect Brayshaw is nonsense.

Garry Lyon tried to be impartial but couldn't conceal his Melbourne allegiance. Bucks and Browny both held firm that under the current rules, Maynard should not be rubbed out.

I feel certain Maynard will be suspended - the AFL has to be seen to be taking a protective stance - but am hopeful it will be overturned on appeal.

 

[gerryg400]

The rules say that "Incidental contact in a Marking contest will be permitted if the Player’s sole objective is to contest or spoil a Mark."

I can't find a definition of 'Marking Contest' but it seems that it would simply be the act of try to mark or prevent a mark. Surely the mark can be contested at any point in the ball's trajectory.

Could it be argued that Maynard was simply spoiling in a marking contest?

 

[legendstatus]

Listening to the adulterer and former druggie on the Coach bang on about Maynard needs to go, was as predictable as him being a Dees supporter