List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[Big_Birdy]

They’ll get a band 1 pick for TDK which at the moment after Oscar will be pick 9.

Ah righto.

 

[ballsohard]

Choosing Hawks 1st rounder over Carltons 1st rounder was such a immense **** up I kind of feel the club needs to publically acknowledge it also....

Like are we really giving up pick 2 to cover for that stupid decision here? It feels like thats the discussion happening here

In hindsight sure, at the time it was more of a 50/50 decision

 

[Big_Birdy]

In hindsight sure, at the time it was more of a 50/50 decision

There is also a reasonable chance the pick difference is like 3 and may be inconsequential.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

In hindsight sure, at the time it was more of a 50/50 decision

Its a shame AFL hasnt caught up and doesnt have the NBA rules whereby the trade is for "the highest of all available picks Hawthorn has" which you get pre trade period

 

[RedmanWasHere]

To the user talking about Koby Bewick, surprisingly, he ain't ginger.
He's a curly brunette.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

In hindsight sure, at the time it was more of a 50/50 decision

Disagree completely it was a 50/50 decision. I think if you put it to a public opinion at the time we all thought Carlton would do worse then Hawks no?

Given I didnt think the discrepancy would be this bad but still, I think most people here were confident Hawks would finish ahead of Carlton... especially when in the off season one is improving and the other isnt... after finishing ahead of them a few months prior. It didnt pass the pub test at all

 

[RedmanWasHere]

As for Tassie's recruitment, you'd assume it signs 12 players next year who were born between January 1-April 30 2009 before considering who to pass off in the mini-drafts.

 

[Farmer Lister]

Disagree completely it was a 50/50 decision. I think if you put it to a public opinion at the time we all thought Carlton would do worse then Hawks no?

Given I didnt think the discrepancy would be this bad but still, I think most people here were confident Hawks would finish ahead of Carlton... especially when in the off season one is improving and the other isnt... after finishing ahead of them a few months prior. It didnt pass the pub test at all

The cause of suffering is resistance to what is. We have Hawthorns picks. You can choose to complain about it endlessly or just get on board with reality. Your choice.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Carlton will almost certainly take Lindsay if available or Dovaston.

I’d expect Carlton to also be into Hibbing-Hargreaves. The lack of quality smaller forwards are really hurting ATM

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The cause of suffering is resistance to what is. We have Hawthorns picks. You can choose to complain about it endlessly or just get on board with reality. Your choice.

If you never acknowledge your mistakes you are bound to just make them over and over again and thats kinda were we sit. We are dead last yet at the same time our recruiting depts mistakes should be accepted as the alternative is to be seen as complaining,

Doesnt make much sense. If Matt Clarke and co want a job with responsibilities given they should probably own them, both good and bad

 

[Farmer Lister]

If you never acknowledge your mistakes you are bound to just make them over and over again and thats kinda were we sit. We are dead last yet at the same time our recruiting depts mistakes should be accepted as the alternative is to be seen as complaining,

Doesnt make much sense. If Matt Clarke and co want a job with responsibilities given they should probably own them, both good and bad

Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your perspective. I would say from my perspective it's impossible to judge the effectiveness of our trades for years down the road. It's still possible for the Hawks and Carlton to end up pretty close on the table. Not likely, but certainly possible. God willing, the Hawks fold like a cheap suit

I personally would rather accept things as they are and talk drafting accordingly.

 

[Farmer Lister]

What if the player we draft 6 spots lower than the Carlton picks turns out to be a generational player?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Choosing Hawks 1st rounder over Carltons 1st rounder was such a immense **** up I kind of feel the club needs to publically acknowledge it also....

Like are we really giving up pick 2 to cover for that stupid decision here? It feels like thats the discussion happening here

Welcome to the hindsight hero.

A public apology! What stuff have you been snorting?

The reporters and analysts were pretty much split 50/50 on which picks were the better option. Sportsbet started the season with Hawks and Blues premiership odd and making finals odds very close. And these guys make or lose money on the odds.

Am I annoyed we chose the wrong pick? Absolutely. Was the decision at the time a shocker? No.

Most predictions I read had both clubs finishing 2025 in the 5 to 8 marks. Hawks finished 2024 fast but big question was about how soon clubs will pick their game plan apart (we are seeing it now) while the Blues finished as the walking wounded and an offseason that will get them to full strength.

Now the excuse made that they were only given 2 minutes to decide smells wrong. If they had not done their homework prior to the deadline day, then they were negligent in negotiations 101

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your perspective. I would say from my perspective it's impossible to judge the effectiveness of our trades for years down the road. It's still possible for the Hawks and Carlton to end up pretty close on the table. Not likely, but certainly possible. God willing, the Hawks fold like a cheap suit

I personally would rather accept things as they are and talk drafting accordingly.

Not sure how many years of perspective we need to know that pick 7 is a better number to have then pick 13...

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Welcome to the hindsight hero.

A public apology! What stuff have you been snorting?

The reporters and analysts were pretty much split 50/50 on which picks were the better option. Sportsbet started the season with Hawks and Blues premiership odd and making finals odds very close. And these guys make or lose money on the odds.

Am I annoyed we chose the wrong pick? Absolutely. Was the decision at the time a shocker? No.

Most predictions I read had both clubs finishing 2025 in the 5 to 8 marks. Hawks finished 2024 fast but big question was about how soon clubs will pick their game plan apart (we are seeing it now) while the Blues finished as the walking wounded and an offseason that will get them to full strength.

Now the excuse made that they were only given 2 minutes to decide smells wrong. If they had not done their homework prior to the deadline day, then they were negligent in negotiations 101

Drafting is a complete hindsight process so not sure why we should be scared to discuss or acknowledge it .

The 2nd part isnt correct. Hawks were 2nd favourites to win the flag from day dot, even ahead of Collingwood. It was something like Brisbane at 7.50, Hawks at 8.50, Collingwood 9.50 and then Carlton were something like 12 bucks so it wasnt some neck and neck philosophy. Hawks were the 2nd premiership favourites at the time we made our choice.

In the end , we just bet against the odds, bet against the team who finished higher, bet against the team who signed 2 quality defenders and failed. Not sure how much hindsight took place here. We just didnt make the common sense decision in the end

 

[bzparkes]

Not sure how many years of perspective we need to know that pick 7 is a better number to have then pick 13...

3 years.

2012, 2018 and, at this stage, 2023.

Every other year is much of a muchness, although 2013 stands out the other way, as pick 7 was Aish and pick 13 was Patrick Cripps.

So from 2010-2024, pick 7 is +2 on the ledger over pick 13.

Not exactly worth getting worked up over.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

3 years.

2012, 2018 and, at this stage, 2023.

Every other year is much of a muchness, although 2013 stands out the other way, as pick 7 was Aish and pick 13 was Patrick Cripps.

So from 2010-2024, pick 7 is +2 on the ledger over pick 13.

Not exactly worth getting worked up over.

This years draft is different to 2012, 2018 and 2023. We know its very light on and the drop offs in talent occur quicker then before. Pick 7 could be a guy like Sam Grlj/Ollie Greeves to a pick 13 which is probably looking at well to be honest who knows. The drop off occurs pretty thick and fast after the top 10...

 

[bzparkes]

This years draft is different to 2012, 2018 and 2023. We know its very light on and the drop offs in talent occur quicker then before. Pick 7 could be a guy like Sam Grlj/Ollie Greeves to a pick 13 which is probably looking at well to be honest who knows. The drop off occurs pretty thick and fast after the top 10...

The fact is we won't know anything until 4 years' time but based on history, the difference between picks 7 & 13 is insignificant.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The fact is we won't know anything until 4 years' time but based on history, the difference between picks 7 & 13 is insignificant.

Id rather base it on 2025... when we know pick 7 and pick 13 holds a massive difference.... because basically every draft watcher says this....

 

[FKASC]

To the user talking about Koby Bewick, surprisingly, he ain't ginger.
He's a curly brunette.

Haircut you can set your watch to?

 

[bzparkes]

Id rather base it on 2025... when we know pick 7 and pick 13 holds a massive difference.... because basically every draft watcher says this....

Every draft watcher says that every year.

Just look at the random phantom drafts doing the round.

Some have Sharp at 2, others in the mid teens.

CDT rated massively as clear #1 by some, not even top 5 by others.

So we can't base it on anything.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If we go on ESPN rankings we got - https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...-power-rankings-top-30-extended-depth-quality

At Pick 7 would be Sam Cumming
Or at pick 13 it would be Jacob Farrow

We can acknowledge that difference without going back to 2012 surely?

 

[bzparkes]

If we go on ESPN rankings we got - https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...-power-rankings-top-30-extended-depth-quality

At Pick 7 would be Sam Cumming
Or at pick 13 it would be Jacob Farrow

We can acknowledge that difference without going back to 2012 surely?

And Zerohangar for July has Sharp at 16 and Cumming at 14.

What's your point, other than proving mine exactly?

 

[bzparkes]

Here's RMC's latest(June) 'power' rankings.

 

[Monocle]

I’d expect Carlton to also be into Hibbing-Hargreaves. The lack of quality smaller forwards are really hurting ATM

They should have kept Owies.








For both teams sakes.