List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[WCE777]

I think we need another top KPD. Whilst Harry improved drastically this year and Brock showed signs, I believe we are a quality CHB short.

Is that Archer? I was hoping he develops as a ruck under the new rule changes.
I would be fine in drafting Schubert and starting him at CHB. Give him games at the senior level until Waterman retires (he turns 28 next year so he likely has another 3 to 4 years left) and then move Schubert forward. He and Jobe would make a great pairing up front.
Ainsworth rucked for SA in the carnival but a large chunk of his junior football was as a KPD. He would be an option with a R2 pick.

In terms of McGlade, I am not ready to bank that he will make it as a KPD so we might just need to make a decision now.

Correct in stating that Harper Banfield is more inside and Charlie is more a wing option. I think Harper also has a higher ceiling.

I think it will come down to a choice with picks 1 and 2.

• Pick Duursma and Sharp if we stay put at 1 and 2 then Farrow and Ainsworth with Hawks R1 and our R2 (might see us use Hawks R2 with our R2 to get say Lions R1)
• Trade 1 plus our R2 to Bombers for 4 and 5 then pick Cumming at 2, Sharp at 4, Schubert at 5 and Farrow Hawks R1 (I don't see Sharp as a Tiger's target)

I agree with that assessment.
I am not in the know on D Shanahan enough to make an informed decision.
And this is the question, we go for 2 best mids in picks 1 & 2 as we have several outside types coming through C Banfield, K Evans and next year Harper is a more balanced mid.
We also have next years top 5 pick for another top end mid if we need it.
That's why I was throwing up Schubert as a KPD with the Hawks 1st, high level talent and if gone do we take Farrow and Ainsworth with our 2nd round.
It really depends on where we think we can land some senior players to complement our list in the 23-27yo range.

 

[Weshi]

Very good prospect and one that I would be happy to add to our list.

Problem being for me with that is, that the number of list spots that we have available are becoming really tight and I think we might be done on Draft night by the time Farrow's draft range comes around.

Taking out those players that we don't have access to, then Farrow IMO starts coming into consideration from about where the Hawks first will be and I suspect he wont last much after our second rounder.
I am of the opinion that come the actual draft, we wont be holding either of those picks, as we will have traded them to move up the draft board order, or less likely but still plausible, into next years draft.

Unless we either trade out a few more current players, or some how miraculously get given a couple more list spots from the AFL, I can see a situation that by the middle of the first round we are done for the draft ( with taking some NGA kids an Banfield latter at the back end of the draft ).

Barnett to the Rookie list may help with a list spot?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Barnett to the Rookie list may help with a list spot?

Only if we get given more rookies spots

 

[ROO DOGG]

We will be flying in 2 years, I’ve no doubt.

Every second week?

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Okay....so we're walking away with something like this?

Pick 1 Duursma (snowflake)
Trade Pick 2 - Bombers for Picks 4 & 5
Pick 4 Sharp
Pick 5 Cumming

2026 -Pick 1 Dougie Cochrane

2027 - Axel Walsh and Angus Abbonozio + Warner RFA

2030 - 5th Premiership

 

[stallon]

Hough and Ginbey are both defenders we've tried through the middle. Allan was drafted as a mid learning as a defender. McCarthy is a capable defender and has looked good early days in the middle. Duursma isn't offering anything new here.

I think Duursma gives us flexibility to change things up but Cumming would be a better fit with runs on the board against adults as a midfielder and holes opening up in our forward line.

Ginbey looks like being a KPD for us.
Hough more lockdown.
McCarthy probably plays midfield next year.
Allan doesnt have Duursma's running prowess and is more of an inside player than outside like Duursma.

Those players arent really competing for the same spot as Duursma, especially if McCarthy does play midfield where hes honestly looked best so far.

 

[juice568]

Okay....so we're walking away with something like this?

Pick 1 Duursma (snowflake)
Trade Pick 2 - Bombers for Picks 4 & 5
Pick 4 Sharp
Pick 5 Cumming

2026 -Pick 1 Dougie Cochrane

2027 - Axel Walsh and Angus Abbonozio + Warner RFA

2030 - 5th Premiership

People need to stop making mock trades where we shaft the other club. Essendon aren't trading 5 & 6 for 2.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Callum Jamieson 17 games - 1 Win.

We're gonna be seeing plenty of win - loss records like this coming from delisted players over the next few years.

 

[eaglevision]

Okay....so we're walking away with something like this?

Pick 1 Duursma (snowflake)
Trade Pick 2 - Bombers for Picks 4 & 5
Pick 4 Sharp
Pick 5 Cumming

2026 -Pick 1 Dougie Cochrane

2027 - Axel Walsh and Angus Abbonozio + Warner RFA

2030 - 5th Premiership

Add Schubert with pick 7 after trading up then Kenh and McGlade in 2026 as well as Rivers in 2027 RFA which will probably get the Demons a top 5 pick.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Okay....so we're walking away with something like this?

Pick 1 Duursma (snowflake)
Trade Pick 2 - Bombers for Picks 4 & 5
Pick 4 Sharp
Pick 5 Cumming

2026 -Pick 1 Dougie Cochrane

2027 - Axel Walsh and Angus Abbonozio + Warner RFA

2030 - 5th Premiership

Wait, why would Essendon be trading for pick 2? If anything it would be Gold Coast for the Academy pick.

Plus, we don't even have the second pick yet, so let's revisit this next month when free agency starts.

 

[bzparkes]

Wait, why would Essendon be trading for pick 2? If anything it would be Gold Coast for the Academy pick.

Plus, we don't even have the second pick yet, so let's revisit this next month when free agency starts.

People seem to think we'll just fleece other clubs when it's usually the opposite...

 

[eaglevision]

Wait, why would Essendon be trading for pick 2? If anything it would be Gold Coast for the Academy pick.

Plus, we don't even have the second pick yet, so let's revisit this next month when free agency starts.

GCS won’t trade up, they’ll trade down and add points. Dons will want pick 1 (Duursma).

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Ginbey looks like being a KPD for us.
Hough more lockdown.
McCarthy probably plays midfield next year.
Allan doesnt have Duursma's running prowess and is more of an inside player than outside like Duursma.

Those players arent really competing for the same spot as Duursma, especially if McCarthy does play midfield where hes honestly looked best so far.

Has the sentiment resolved that ginbey will never play midfield again? It hasn't for me. The man is a beast and would monster most of the comp. He was thrown to wolves by simmo in his first year and basically told, go get it done. I still hold some hope that once we have shored up our defence/list he could have another crack in there.

 

[Jukes]

On the flip side, we might be better off shoring up our midfield to allow him to stay in defence where he should get to AA level quality

 

[Wooshaaaa]

On the flip side, we might be better off shoring up our midfield to allow him to stay in defence where he should get to AA level quality

Maybe he is what we need to shore up the midfield.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

What Duursma does well, is excel in facets of the game that we are, collectively short on as a skillset.

As I have stated previously on here, he will be real outside weapon and have serious hurt factor, when he is being feed by a dominant midfield.
Obviously he will rely on others to win it at the coal face and then feed it out to him, to do his stuff.

Now thats where it gets interesting for us, as we clearly don't have the midfield to adequately benefit from his skillset.
However he has elements to his game that put him in rare company, that are match winning traits, that few players have.

I think Mini is going to really be attracted to the skillset that he offers and will be pushing for us drafting him, as Duursma has the skillset to fit into Mini's game plan.

I think he is just too good a talent to pass up on and I say that knowing full well, that he will becoming to a list, that at this point in time, is bereft of the type of players that he will need around him to maximise his talent.

Thats the challenge for our recruiters in the next three years, to get the coal face ball winning mids onto our list and performing so that:

1. Harley has some help on the inside so he doesn't have to be "The Lone Ranger".
2. In conjunction with the Coaching staff find and develop players and a game plan to improve our clearance woes.
3. With inside grunt get to best utalise and assist Duursma's talents.


That leads to the next point, and its a critical one, how well and quickly are we able to find the contested winning players needed to turn our plight around.

Such players available in this draft, that will be in our pick range ( with current picks OR what they may turn into ) are:

Sharp
Cumming
Greeves

We need to some how pick up at least one of this trio ( two would be nice - also I get we wouldnt take both Sharp and Greeves - to similar in both strengths and weaknesses - acknowledged ) , also nab ourselves a B grader midfielder via the trade period.

If we could turn picks 1&2 somehow into; Duursma, Sharp and Cumming that would IMO be a really good draft.

The good news is that ( assuming Harley stays ), we have a three year window, to get the players that we desperately need into our system, to start moving up the ladder and generating some positivity around becoming a team that has a good chance of contending.

If we create a winning culture and get some on field success, then the players will stay as nothing breeds success like success.

Long ramble but the more I think about it, the more I see us calling Duursma's name out on draft night.

Would add Sam Swadling as a contested beast as well

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

People need to stop making mock trades where we shaft the other club. Essendon aren't trading 5 & 6 for 2.

I wasnt being all that serious.

But if Tigers/Dons want player x bad enough then I think Pick 1 or 2 can get their picks with some later added too.

We're all hoping that either club has a crush on CDT/Duursma bad enough to grab the player they want without the ****ery.

 

[numbat06]

Load up on mids with our first 3 picks. Ginbey didn't have a clue when thrown there/never played mid as a junior, just keep him back.

 

[eaglevision]

Load up on mids with our first 3 picks. Ginbey didn't have a clue when thrown there/never played mid as a junior, just keep him back.

On mids at our expected picks:

1/2: Sharp, Duursma, Cumming
13: Grlj, Phillipou, Barker
21: Dalton, Swadling, LeRay

 

[UseR2006]

Still think we should look at a KPD as well, preferably this year as it'll take a while for them to be ready for the seniors.
Unless of course we trade one in.

 

[Monocle]

Would add Sam Swadling as a contested beast as well

He is an interesting player, he finds a lot of the football and is a prolific accumulator, I just wish he had a little more hurt factor.

For a player who plays predominantly forward of centre, his score board impact this year has been pretty unimpressive, by comparison to what he did in 2024.

I currently have an early to mid second round grade on him.

Mid year I was thinking he might be an option and value with the Hawks first round pick, however the longer the season has gone, he kept getting overtaken by other kids on my draft board.
Not so much that he had declined in either output or ability, rather others have improved at a greater rate than him and passed him in my rankings.

I don't see us using any picks that aren't in the first round this draft, and as such I cant see us drafting him.

Now should the AFL give us some more list spots ( yes I know hardly likely ) then that would change the prospects on him being an Eagle next year.
If we kept our current second round pick, he then would come into consideration, but there will be some impressive talent competing with him for that spot and it may well come down to who we have drafted earlier and also what positional needs are still needing to be addressed.

 

[stallon]

Has the sentiment resolved that ginbey will never play midfield again? It hasn't for me. The man is a beast and would monster most of the comp. He was thrown to wolves by simmo in his first year and basically told, go get it done. I still hold some hope that once we have shored up our defence/list he could have another crack in there.

I think he just looks like he could be a pretty high level KPD.
Like Hough, why take away what is a very good at worst player from the backline to put him somewhere he is unlikely to ever be as good? Doesnt make any sense at all.
I think Ginbey is the main piece to ensuring our defence is shored up long term.

Imo Allan is the one we should be looking to to be that big bodied mid Ginbey was meant to be.

If we are drafting multiple first round pick mids this year, and we take Sharp in particular, Ginbey would be surplus to needs in the middle anyway

Long term we have Reid, Hewett, McCarthy, and a mix of Allan/Hall/Gross + new draftees imo

 

[stallon]

Load up on mids with our first 3 picks. Ginbey didn't have a clue when thrown there/never played mid as a junior, just keep him back.

Pretty sure he was U18 AA in the middle, and was drafted clearly as a midfielder

 

[Monocle]

On mids at our expected picks:

1/2: Sharp, Duursma, Cumming
13: Grlj, Phillipou, Barker
21: Dalton, Swadling, LeRay

I really like this kid and I suspect a Club will take him earlier than expected, based on his form pre popping his knee.

I reckon had he not been injured he would have been drafted around the 8 -12 draft range. ( Excluding the Northern States Gifts from the AFL ).

Great decision maker, with good foot skills poised and high footy IQ.

 

[eaglevision]

I don't see us using any picks that aren't in the first round this draft, and as such I cant see us drafting him.

Now should the AFL give us some more list spots ( yes I know hardly likely ) then that would change the prospects on him being an Eagle next year.

Agreed. I do think at a minimum we’ll be able to prelist our NGAs on an expanded Cat B list which may save Walley and Livingstone as well as adding Charlie as a Cat A. Would likely leave us being able to trade in one player and take 4 live picks in the ND, hopefully all top 10s which would be a very tidy result.