List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[WCE777]

I'd be developing Archer Reid as a backman and looking to split pick 1 for 5 & Essendons F1. Their pick next year is either going to sit in an amazing place for a top prospect of if they climb a bit at a good spot for one of the 2 top tier ruck prospects. Next year if his development continues then Benji Van Rooyen is definitely worth a top 10 pick imo.

If we get extra list spots then yes someone like Blight i'd probably give a run or at least a trial for SSP. If this is the case whomever is the weakest link out of Bazzo or Blight next year gets cut, potentially even both.

I think i've been the only person strongly advocating to move a first rounder into next years draft.

I think as this year keeps playing out I am going to agree with you regarding shifting some draft capital into next year as all the KPD options are just ok and its looking increasingly possible that D Shanahan makes our list and probably H Cummings(Scott's son) is looking like a very competent KPD option also.
Blight looks a steal for depth if he is delisted or rookie or SSP and agree that either Bazzo or Blight or both can be cut next year if they are no good.
Will be a crucial draft and trade season for us.

 

[beatlesmith]

We’re going to end up with a fair few guys on the list with solid but unspectacular attributes.

Hutchinson, Davis, Johnston, Hall and Banfield probably all fit into that category. Would be a big boost if a couple of them can cement themselves as long term best 22 players.

 

[BSD]

Banfield has a clear role on a wing. Unfortunately for Swadling his kicking, athleticism and body shape for his preferred position hold him back.

I wouldn't take power rankings seriously. The people who make them up don't watch every game and copy each

Banfield has a clear role on a wing. Unfortunately for Swadling his kicking, athleticism and body shape for his preferred position hold him back.

I wouldn't take power rankings seriously. The people who make them up don't watch every game and copy each other.

Farrow, Swadling and Fred were selected in the A-A under 18 team by better judges than ones on this or other forums.
Banfield wasn't.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Farrow, Swadling and Fred were selected in the A-A under 18 team by better judges than ones on this or other forums.
Banfield wasn't

Relevance? I'm not expecting Banfield to go above Farrow or Rodriquez. Swadling like Banfield could go anywhere from 30 - 70+.

Banfield is a wingmen and was beaten to the role by Barker and Leray. Banfield had statistically similar champs in a much worse team.

Charlie Banfield is widely regarded as one of the most difficult matchups in the Colts competition. The type of player opponents dred because of his physical edge and running power.

 

[squashface]

Farrow, Swadling and Fred were selected in the A-A under 18 team by better judges than ones on this or other forums.
Banfield wasn't.

We're not talking about picking him over any of those guys, old mate.

We're talking about getting him as a free hit/late selection.

 

[mitchzz]

Sam Swadling had a big game for the colts. Farrow 25 touches and 11 I50s

A quieter game for Swadling with the 35 touches

Averaging 40.6 disposals a game at Colts level over his last 5 now

 

[new breed]

Farrow is classy for sure , good left foot kick ....stands out when he gets the ball .

 

[RanaNaved]

CDT with 21 touches, 11 marks and 2.5 today

 

[observer2]

The older son Charlie is eligible this year for us via Father/Son. Still unlikely to go top ~50 even after his game yesterday. Swadling has been struggling to break into some top 30s and he’s far better than Banfield. Would likely be matching him in the 4th round if not rookie listing him.

Harper is the younger brother and eligible next year, he’s more an inside mid than Charlie is a winger/outside mid

Tend to agree. Doubt he gets bid on so maybe gets rookied. Harper is next year. Too early at this stage to get a good read on where he is at. Hasn't featured in any state programs so far but will possibly be in the mix next year.

 

[Corn69]

CDT with 21 touches, 11 marks and 2.5 today

People have a hate boner for him.

He's a sh*t ruck there's no doubt, but he can rack it up and impact up forward. Could easily overtake Archer and Williams as the second ruck.

I'm still hesitant on him, but less so now considering where ruck craft is heading in the future.

 

[twce13]

People have a hate boner for him.

He's a sh*t ruck there's no doubt, but he can rack it up and impact up forward. Could easily overtake Archer and Williams as the second ruck.

I'm still hesitant on him, but less so now considering where ruck craft is heading in the future.

Problem is he doesn’t have the forward craft to draft as 2nd ruckman either. You’re drafting him to be primary ruck in a few years and be another midfield rotation.

I’m in the prefer not to draft category, but should we take him I’m sure I’ll come around quickly to the idea of him.

 

[Art OF war]

Claremont colts midfield seemed to do better with Harper in there, especially in the first half.

Curtin is strong but slow.

East Fremantle have some exciting young colts players. 1 kid, who looked 15, has a prestigious leap and decent dukes

 

[txbyhull]

Only CDT could make 20 touches 11 marks and 2.5 scoreboard look just like... Okay. If anyone else did that I'm sure they'd be bigged up but Duff just has been hyped up so much and I don't see any of it. His ruck craft is shocking, and he clearly isn't a sharpshooter. It's like he is a decent 185cm forward stuck in a 200cm body...

 

[TheBudgies]

Farrow, Swadling and Fred were selected in the A-A under 18 team by better judges than ones on this or other forums.
Banfield wasn't.

Banfield isnt in the top 2 at his position so shouldn't be drafted. No point taking a free stab at a player with great pedigree and great athletic attributes who loves the club. Also players never improve and so we should lock them in based on how they do in the handful of games they play at state champs. He should probably just retire now.

 

[jesterwester]

It does seem like many here are expecting the finished article from an 18 year old ruck, a position notoriously filled with ready to go 18 year olds.

If we did pick up CDT it won’t be for the player we see in year 1. But there’s no doubt he’s got some wheels for a big guy. That athleticism will be an asset to whoever gets him in a few years. Maybe it’s Barnett we are thinking he turns into but I don’t see that in CDT.

In any case I think that line about CDT was a deliberate double bluff fed to the media personally because we want someone to trade up to get him because we want to get as many first rounders in as possible. But in any case it’s Duursma that the teams will want. So will be interesting to see which way we go if we do end up with picks 1 & 2.

 

[Godfather32]

It does seem like many here are expecting the finished article from an 18 year old ruck, a position notoriously filled with ready to go 18 year olds.

If we did pick up CDT it won’t be for the player we see in year 1. But there’s no doubt he’s got some wheels for a big guy. That athleticism will be an asset to whoever gets him in a few years. Maybe it’s Barnett we are thinking he turns into but I don’t see that in CDT.

In any case I think that line about CDT was a deliberate double bluff fed to the media personally because we want someone to trade up to get him because we want to get as many first rounders in as possible. But in any case it’s Duursma that the teams will want. So will be interesting to see which way we go if we do end up with picks 1 & 2.

I wouldn't expect to see a finished article from an 18 year old ruck. I would expect a ruck we're seriously considering with pick 2 to actually be good in the ruck against his peers....which I don't think CDT is

 

[jesterwester]

I wouldn't expect to see a finished article from an 18 year old ruck. I would expect a ruck we're seriously considering with pick 2 to actually be good in the ruck against his peers....which I don't think CDT is

That is the concern, for sure.

He does strike me as a “extra midfielder” sort of ruck rather than a tap ruck and an ability to hit the scoreboard up forward. Plenty of tap ruckman don’t make it- you need several strings to the bow.

Just think sometimes people look at what players can’t do so well when we tend to give talls a while to develop. He’s got the athletic traits and skills for a big guy that will inevitably translate into the next level.

FWIW, I’m hopeful we go the Duursma/Sharp combo. But I have this sinking feeling if we do he will turn into the next Thilthorpe and we will end up with eggs on our face with 2 bites at the cherry.

 

[Dark Sharks]

CDT with 21 touches, 11 marks and 2.5 today

Archer Reid MKII

 

[Godfather32]

That is the concern, for sure.

He does strike me as a “extra midfielder” sort of ruck rather than a tap ruck and an ability to hit the scoreboard up forward. Plenty of tap ruckman don’t make it- you need several strings to the bow.

Just think sometimes people look at what players can’t do so well when we tend to give talls a while to develop. He’s got the athletic traits and skills for a big guy that will inevitably translate into the next level.

FWIW, I’m hopeful we go the Duursma/Sharp combo. But I have this sinking feeling if we do he will turn into the next Thilthorpe and we will end up with eggs on our face with 2 bites at the cherry.

Call me old fashioned but I do kinda like my rucks to actually be good in the ruck.
I dunno, I've watched a few games he's played and I just haven't been very impressed with him, I'm just not seeing it.

 

[BSD]

I think as this year keeps playing out I am going to agree with you regarding shifting some draft capital into next year as all the KPD options are just ok and its looking increasingly possible that D Shanahan makes our list and probably H Cummings(Scott's son) is looking like a very competent KPD option also.
Blight looks a steal for depth if he is delisted or rookie or SSP and agree that either Bazzo or Blight or both can be cut next year if they are no good.
Will be a crucial draft and trade season for us.

The 2027 draft will be compromised by Tasmania coming into the draft. We have to nail the next 2 drafts as it will be slim pickings after Tassie have been given concessions.

 

[RanaNaved]

Archer Reid MKII

Not quite, he narrowly missed two set shots from about 40m out on tight angles. Kicked two from about 40-45m directly in front. Missed one he should have kicked from about 30m out though

 

[Wooshaaaa]

We’re going to end up with a fair few guys on the list with solid but unspectacular attributes.

Hutchinson, Davis, Johnston, Hall and Banfield probably all fit into that category. Would be a big boost if a couple of them can cement themselves as long term best 22 players.

They're the role players. Essential to every club..solid contributors week in week out.

 

[Wild Kelly]

I don't want anyone on the list whose name is ****ing "Zaydyn"

I take it that a Kamdyn would also be unacceptable?

 

[Kegs15]

CDT with 21 touches, 11 marks and 2.5 today

People have a hate boner for him.

He's a sh*t ruck there's no doubt, but he can rack it up and impact up forward. Could easily overtake Archer and Williams as the second ruck.

I'm still hesitant on him, but less so now considering where ruck craft is heading in the future.

a) I love the phrase 'hate boner', gives me a giggle.

b) I'd say I have a hate boner for the idea of drafting CDT at pick 1 or 2, not for him in general. If he was available at pick 30 where we picked up AReid we'd be insane not to take him. But he won't be.

The convincing arguments for me are that drafting a ruck in the first 5 picks is a low percentage option unless they're outrageous beasts like NN or Jackson - which the 'haters' who watch him clearly think he isn't.

We desperately need primo, elite mids. Top 10 is the best place to guarantee them. We need our #1 ruck to be at least the age of our starting midfield so they peak at the same time. CDT isn't. Rucks/talls are harder to project the development of based on junior years. They're also gettable as 24 year olds from clubs where they're stuck behind someone established in their late 20s onwards. And it's pretty consistent that the list of top teams all have stacked midfields, but the list of top rucks doesn't really match up in any meaningful way with the list of top teams.

All of these I think are fair reasons to hate the idea of drafting him with as big an investment as the pick we'd need to take him at. I also think both JWilliams and AReid could be really really decent second rucks and are better ages for our list build - it'd be a weird position to try and upgrade when we could be upgrading the positions (as of our 2025 side) of Clay Hall, Hutchinson, Duggan the midfielder, Graham the midfielder, Kelly etc.

 

[WCE777]

The 2027 draft will be compromised by Tasmania coming into the draft. We have to nail the next 2 drafts as it will be slim pickings after Tassie have been given concessions.

Agree, was discussing with slim pickings in 2025 draft for KPD types if we can push a bit of draft capital into next year and get our draft and trade plans executed we it should be considered.
We have a very raw but talented NGA KPD next year and also there looks to be decent depth in the 2026 draft and a good top end.
Discussion is do we trade in Blight as a DFA or SSP rookie as cover for next year and then cut either Bazzo and Blight if neither are up to it.
Sounds like a decent plan if we can get our 3-4 1st round picks, our 4 NGA/FS prospects and our other trade targets through the door with what we achieve with OA and Ryan draft picks in the bank.
Prefer to take our draft needs earlier the better but if the quality isn't there then getting cover with someone like Blight for another year for low cost would be better than just picking a player in this draft that we don't rate?