List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[Mr Q]

Why does it seem that we keep finding reasons not to draft genuine mids?

Last year most people thought Sharp would be a great addition alongside Harley in this years draft and would go pick 1. Now that he's available at our pick, we lean towards Duursma and CDT.

Just make the obvious choice.

A lot of things change. 18 months ago, the discussion for this year's draft was how we got the picks required for an expectred trade for Chad Warner and still have a high enough pick (top 5 was often quoted) to get Fred Rodriguez.

 

[Kegs15]

Lack of impact with his disposal, lack of speed, lack of outside game, scoreboard impact and new rules that will reduce the amount of stoppages

Have posted earlier that mids who win the ball and can work their way through a stoppage by hand are still essential no matter the era. Sharp doesn't look Priddis/Harvey slow, he gives me the vibes of:

Dunkley
Tom Green
Libba
Atkins
Crisp
Young
Newcombe
Cripps

Etc etc. Good teams have one of these players to support their runners.

We already have our aggressive players with pace/scoreboard impact (Reid, Hewett, hopefully Warner as a FA) - what we don't have is a 30 touch a game clearance operator who makes those guys look better. There's a difference between the direct impact of a contested mid's disposals, and the indirect impact they can give by feeding it to more dynamic players.

 

[ziad]

Have posted earlier that mids who win the ball and can work their way through a stoppage by hand are still essential no matter the era. Sharp doesn't look Priddis/Harvey slow, he gives me the vibes of:

Dunkley
Tom Green
Libba
Atkins
Crisp
Young
Newcombe
Cripps

Etc etc. Good teams have one of these players to support their runners.

We already have our aggressive players with pace/scoreboard impact (Reid, Hewett, hopefully Warner as a FA) - what we don't have is a 30 touch a game clearance operator who makes those guys look better. There's a difference between the direct impact of a contested mid's disposals, and the indirect impact they can give by feeding it to more dynamic players.

Hewett has a fair way to go.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Lack of impact with his disposal, lack of speed, lack of outside game, scoreboard impact and new rules that will reduce the amount of stoppages

What new rules to reduce stoppages exactly.

 

[wceeaglesfan]

What new rules to reduce stoppages exactly.

It’s called the last touch rule, if a player disposes of the ball and it goes out of bounds a free kick will be rewarded to the other team. Doesn’t matter if it wasn’t deliberate

 

[wirra44]

It’s called the last touch rule, if a player disposes of the ball and it goes out of bounds a free kick will be rewarded to the other team. Doesn’t matter if it wasn’t deliberate

It’s only kicks tho isn’t it? Between to archs?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

It’s called the last touch rule, if a player disposes of the ball and it goes out of bounds a free kick will be rewarded to the other team. Doesn’t matter if it wasn’t deliberate

I ****ing hate the idea of that rule change, why can’t they just leave the game alone.
If a ball is kicked close to the boundary to a pack with a disputed marking contest, and the ball trickles over the line what are we going to do? Stop the game and have a 2 minute video review, to see who’s pinky it came off.

 

[bzparkes]

I ****ing hate the idea of that rule change, why can’t they just leave the game alone.
If a ball is kicked close to the boundary to a pack with a disputed marking contest, and the ball trickles over the line what are we going to do? Stop the game and have a 2 minute video review, to see who’s pinky it came off.

No, it's a throw in.

 

[Hook461123]

Don’t understand the love for Dyson sharp, if eagles don’t select him I can see him falling to the mid teens.

Maybe coz footy isn’t just about highlights and someone needs to do the dirty work.
He finds the ball, has good hands in tight, good first couple of steps, good over his head, kicked a goal a game in champs and league. Tackles, blocks for teammates, knock ons to advantage, leadership on and off the field.

Maybe coz we get smashed at stoppages every week and he’s the best stoppage player in the draft. We’re also likely to go the high upside athlete with pick 1. After taking Allan last year and we need some balance to our midfield.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I ****ing hate the idea of that rule change, why can’t they just leave the game alone.

I just want them to go back to the early 90s rules I grew up with, with the harsher penalties etc for head high contact we now have (but applied more consistently ... ****ing AFL). As much as I loved watching Woosha play, the head has to be sacrosanct. Goal umpires also need to wear white coats and rock proper moustaches.

I'm struggling to think of a rule that's improved the game since then.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Late naughties rules.

Totally lost its way from when the dickhead sub came in in 2011 and has only gotten worse and worse since then.

Before this the only contentious thing that ever happened with umpires would Richo arguing about hands in the back rule.

 

[shooshka]

It’s called the last touch rule, if a player disposes of the ball and it goes out of bounds a free kick will be rewarded to the other team. Doesn’t matter if it wasn’t deliberate

Last disposal is my understanding.

A kick or handball that is oob between the arcs but not touched by any other player post disposal.

So marking (and ground ball) contests resulting in an oob still mean a throw in.

I don’t love or hate it, but will obviously result in significantly less boundary throw ins

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Last disposal is my understanding.

A kick or handball that is oob between the arcs but not touched by any other player post disposal.

So marking (and ground ball) contests resulting in an oob still mean a throw in.

I don’t love or hate it, but will obviously result in significantly less boundary throw ins

and reduce the impact of ruckman? Will be much harder for them to get from contest-to-contest given the boundary throw ins also give them time to arrive at the contest

 

[eaglevision]

I ****ing hate the idea of that rule change, why can’t they just leave the game alone.
If a ball is kicked close to the boundary to a pack with a disputed marking contest, and the ball trickles over the line what are we going to do? Stop the game and have a 2 minute video review, to see who’s pinky it came off.

How on brand of you to hate a rule you clearly don’t even understand.

 

[noobermensch]

Greeves was huge in the opening term, driving his team forwards with incisive and attacking play, and kicking a couple of goals as Eastern jumped out to a big lead. He was quieter after his hot start, playing more forward than mid and eventually sitting out most of the fourth quarter on the bench, perhaps the coaching staff resting their star player with victory secured.

Despite some ranking lists having him lower, Greeves looks every bit the top 10 pick to me and has impressed through the second half of the season. His move forward to make space for others like Robey through midfield has shown his versatility and how impactful he can be down there with his marking especially impactful. While he's still not a defensive demon by any means, he's shown clear signs in recent weeks that he's focusing on that side of the game which demonstrates a willingness to improve areas of weakness.

 

[wceeaglesfan]

and reduce the impact of ruckman? Will be much harder for them to get from contest-to-contest given the boundary throw ins also give them time to arrive at the contest

Exactly why i want CDT, the afl are trying to phase out the big dominate ruckman. This rule and the ruck changes should be pushing his case to go 1 again

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Exactly why i want CDT, the afl our trying to phase out the big dominate ruckman. This rule and the ruck changes should be pushing his case to go 1 again

Doesn't have the leap, though.

There are 16-year-olds better than him today who have immense upside.

 

[TheBudgies]

I ****ing hate the idea of that rule change, why can’t they just leave the game alone.
If a ball is kicked close to the boundary to a pack with a disputed marking contest, and the ball trickles over the line what are we going to do? Stop the game and have a 2 minute video review, to see who’s pinky it came off.

Exactly not this.
Clear disposal over the boundry= free kick. Means the pumps aren't trying to guess what a player was thinking when they kicked it. If rushed/unclear then its a throw in.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

and reduce the impact of ruckman? Will be much harder for them to get from contest-to-contest given the boundary throw ins also give them time to arrive at the contest

Nope. Fewer boundary throw-ins result in less running for rucks. You want a dominant aerialist who will bring the ball to ground down the line and plausibly generate a ruck contest. This sounds like a rule designed for Max Gawn to prolong his career and win more AA selections.

 

[TheBudgies]

Exactly why i want CDT, the afl are trying to phase out the big dominate ruckman. This rule and the ruck changes should be pushing his case to go 1 again

Mobile 'Ruck' with poor shot on goal who can't ruck and not a great mark. Why are we spending a first round pick on Bailey Williams?

 

[wceeaglesfan]

Mobile 'Ruck' with poor shot on goal who can't ruck and not a great mark. Why are we spending a first round pick on Bailey Williams?

That’s like me saying Dyson sharp is clay hall CDT’s ground game and contest work is elite. Obviously he has his floors, but I wouldn’t say his marking is poor. Obviously he has to develop in ruck and forward craft, but rucks always take longer to develop

 

[wceeaglesfan]

Nope. Fewer boundary throw-ins result in less running for rucks. You want a dominant aerialist who will bring the ball to ground down the line and plausibly generate a ruck contest. This sounds like a rule designed for Max Gawn to prolong his career and win more AA selections.

There’s more proposed rules that will force rucks to run more, one of the ones I heard is that they’ll try throw the ball up straight away instead of waiting for the rucks to run over. Which is why you would want a agile ruck like Luke Jackson

 

[PremiershipNo4]

How on brand of you to hate a rule you clearly don’t even understand.

I understand you’re a tool, does that count?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

It’s called the last touch rule, if a player disposes of the ball and it goes out of bounds a free kick will be rewarded to the other team. Doesn’t matter if it wasn’t deliberate

It's not last touch. It's last touch by foot, and it's only within the arcs. Which for the most part is almost always given as insufficient intent already.

It's been shown (360 or another footy show, can't recall) to only reduce total stoppages, different to this year in a game by 5%.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Nope. Fewer boundary throw-ins result in less running for rucks. You want a dominant aerialist who will bring the ball to ground down the line and plausibly generate a ruck contest. This sounds like a rule designed for Max Gawn to prolong his career and win more AA selections.

Exactly this. Thankyou for articulating that. It's also going to require that aerial presence at both ends of the ground. With no sub and 5 on the bench, clubs will start playing 2 rucks again. Freo will benefit.