Traded Brandon Starcevich - traded to West Coast as part of a 3-way trade with Brisbane and Fremantle

[Pns_blister]

I'm surprised that even West Coast fans are saying late first / early second. If any other club were to offer Starcevich a contract and Brisbane don't match, Brisbane won't get anything for him. I suggested the Hawks' R3 as at least Brisbane would get something for him then.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd we’re back

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Actually what the afl can't do is make the decision for the Eagles to get an exemption without Brisbane being compensated adequately in line with free agency rules. Eg. Yes WC can get a Pick 2 compensation for OA on its own but they can't get the exemption unless Brisbane is compensated in line with free agency rules. Eg That is what the AFL will have to decide for an exemption to be granted in the first place so WC will have a decision to make. By the way in a draft where the second round is going to be pushed back a ton Starcevich is worth way more than your second rounder alone. It would still be a great deal for WC to keep pick 2 and offer your second and third rounders for Starcevich to get the exemption in the first place. If Brisbane can't be adequately compensated you simply won't get the exemption in the first place under afl trading guidelines. The afl can't make a decision that breaches their own guidelines.

You should take a victory lap lol. Some thought that the AFL would genuinely say "West Coast you get Starcevich without affecting pick 2, Brisbane you get nothing out of this".

Eagles ask for extra first-round pick as assistance package bid formalised

The Eagles are asking for a pick at the end of the first round in the draft among other requests as part of their list assistance package

www.afl.com.au

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Clubs should be hard capped on the accumulation of draft / trade assistance because it's double and triple dipping.

Clubs accessing multiple 1st rounders every year now get 3 years of rookie wages. That then frees up cap space to afford free agents. Only certain expansion clubs hold that advantage.

Academies were allowed initially because new Clubs didn't have father sons. So why does Brisbane still gain academy kids at a discount on top of father sons who they have absolutely smashed out of the park in the past three years. Gun father sons who helped them win a premiership on rookie wages.

So all those 1st round academy kids and father sons provides quality youth that contribute early and it frees up cap space to buy free agents.

That is not equalisation.

Drawing a long bow there; Wouldn’t having these highly talented 1st pick means our Salary Cap will explode when they’re out of their Rookie Contracts then ?
These assistances (minus the academies) are equally assessable to all clubs, so in your version certain clubs should simply be handicapped to help equalise for others ?

The reason why us and Geelong seem to always in a position for free agent is we effectively manage the Salary Cap. Generally neither have had a player in that absolute top tier of payments, and don’t have an excessive amount of players in the top 100 paid.

Take the Reid and Morris contract situation, which club handed the negotiations better ? Human nature, Reid will become accustomed to the payrate, will he live up to that rate ? Will you continue to overpay ?

Similarly, Stkilda are arguably rolling out NWM and TDK for the same price we’re rolling out all of Neale, McCluggage, Dunkley and Ashcroft (after his rookie contract) with change.

As for the academies, they were designed to grow the game in non-afl states, where the other code offer a direct pathway for elite talent to stay in their home state. From a club perspective it was also designed to combat the “homesickness” or more accurately the systematic targeting of their young interstate talent.
Off the top of my head I have the ledger as Polec, Docherty, Yeo, Longer, Schache, Crisp for Harris (developed late) Hipwood, Marshall, Coleman (completely overlooked by all the previous year) While also producing Chol, Keayes for other teams.
I’m sure GC and GWS would have a similar ledger.

 

[Rich01]

To think, people like you are able to vote

Coming from a McGowan zealot.

 

[Mop]

You should take a victory lap lol. Some thought that the AFL would genuinely say "West Coast you get Starcevich without affecting pick 2, Brisbane you get nothing out of this".

Eagles ask for extra first-round pick as assistance package bid formalised

The Eagles are asking for a pick at the end of the first round in the draft among other requests as part of their list assistance package

www.afl.com.au

No one actually expected it would happen, but they did ask for that very scenario as it details in the article.

 

[numbat06]

You should take a victory lap lol. Some thought that the AFL would genuinely say "West Coast you get Starcevich without affecting pick 2, Brisbane you get nothing out of this".

Eagles ask for extra first-round pick as assistance package bid formalised

The Eagles are asking for a pick at the end of the first round in the draft among other requests as part of their list assistance package

www.afl.com.au

The pick we get given to trade for Starcevich could be a third rounder for all anyone knows

 

[Mop]

Take the Reid and Morris contract situation, which club handed the negotiations better ? Human nature, Reid will become accustomed to the payrate, will he live up to that rate ? Will you continue to overpay ?

Similarly, Stkilda are arguably rolling out NWM and TDK for the same price we’re rolling out all of Neale, McCluggage, Dunkley and Ashcroft (after his rookie contract) with change.

Your post has a lot to go through so I’ll start here -

Reid’s value was set by the market. No one was coming that hard for Logan Morris. Good player, but I don’t see anyone offering Mr Morris an 11 year deal at 1.7m.

The market has determined Reid’s approximate value and we met it.
The alternative was we don’t meet his market value and he requests a trade.

You know they aren’t the same situations or even close to it.

 

[txbyhull]

I miss the days where WC were getting Starcevich for a token pick in the 50s or walking him to the PSD.

To be fair that was before we settled back from the FA circumvention to the priority pick assistance request. People have been saying stuff like Hawks 3rd, Hawks 2nd because it’s coming out of our draft capital. If Eagles had requested from the start to just get a pick to trade for a mature player, there wouldn’t have ever been any discussion or argument as there is now. It would’ve been cool take this magic pick that doesn’t exist and bid on Annable with it and we all could’ve smelt the roses and danced to Fleetwood Mac or something idk

 

[Tom14]

You should take a victory lap lol. Some thought that the AFL would genuinely say "West Coast you get Starcevich without affecting pick 2, Brisbane you get nothing out of this".

Eagles ask for extra first-round pick as assistance package bid formalised

The Eagles are asking for a pick at the end of the first round in the draft among other requests as part of their list assistance package

www.afl.com.au

Suspect someone had a quiet word and pointed out that de facto removing Brisbane's ability to match the offer was at least possibly inconsistent with the CBA rules on free agency (if not a direct breach).

 

[Loyal Lion]

If we weren't bringing in Allen as a free agent, I wonder what compo pick we would have received for Starce?

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

You should take a victory lap lol. Some thought that the AFL would genuinely say "West Coast you get Starcevich without affecting pick 2, Brisbane you get nothing out of this".

Eagles ask for extra first-round pick as assistance package bid formalised

The Eagles are asking for a pick at the end of the first round in the draft among other requests as part of their list assistance package

www.afl.com.au

Thanks. If anyone checks I copped a ton of abuse from WC supporters for saying what was actually in the AFL guidelines.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

To be fair that was before we settled back from the FA circumvention to the priority pick assistance request. People have been saying stuff like Hawks 3rd, Hawks 2nd because it’s coming out of our draft capital. If Eagles had requested from the start to just get a pick to trade for a mature player, there wouldn’t have ever been any discussion or argument as there is now. It would’ve been cool take this magic pick that doesn’t exist and bid on Annable with it and we all could’ve smelt the roses and danced to Fleetwood Mac or something idk

So you realise you abused me for saying exactly what the free agency guidelines were.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

If we weren't bringing in Allen as a free agent, I wonder what compo pick we would have received for Starce?

Band 2 at worst.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

The pick we get given to trade for Starcevich could be a third rounder for all anyone knows

I don't think you'll get a pick related to getting Starcevich. It will break a case of having to come up with a pick or picks close to what the Lions would get as compensation alone.

 

[txbyhull]

So you realise you abused me for saying exactly what the free agency guidelines were.

If I did it’s probably because you annoyed me? I don’t really know what you want

 

[Obeanie1]

Drawing a long bow there; Wouldn’t having these highly talented 1st pick means our Salary Cap will explode when they’re out of their Rookie Contracts then ?
These assistances (minus the academies) are equally assessable to all clubs, so in your version certain clubs should simply be handicapped to help equalise for others ?

The reason why us and Geelong seem to always in a position for free agent is we effectively manage the Salary Cap. Generally neither have had a player in that absolute top tier of payments, and don’t have an excessive amount of players in the top 100 paid.

Take the Reid and Morris contract situation, which club handed the negotiations better ? Human nature, Reid will become accustomed to the payrate, will he live up to that rate ? Will you continue to overpay ?

Similarly, Stkilda are arguably rolling out NWM and TDK for the same price we’re rolling out all of Neale, McCluggage, Dunkley and Ashcroft (after his rookie contract) with change.

As for the academies, they were designed to grow the game in non-afl states, where the other code offer a direct pathway for elite talent to stay in their home state. From a club perspective it was also designed to combat the “homesickness” or more accurately the systematic targeting of their young interstate talent.
Off the top of my head I have the ledger as Polec, Docherty, Yeo, Longer, Schache, Crisp for Harris (developed late) Hipwood, Marshall, Coleman (completely overlooked by all the previous year) While also producing Chol, Keayes for other teams.
I’m sure GC and GWS would have a similar ledger.

Players take less for success. And move to successful clubs as free agents for success.

AFL gifting some clubs access to multiple 1 st rounders helps maintain success.

Call it a long bow all you like but facts are pretty clear to see.

Equalisation is not a priority for the AFL. Making money is and thats why AFL House provides so much assistance to clubs in expanding markets. Even when playing finals, grand finals and winning flags.

 

[Obeanie1]

I don't think you'll get a pick related to getting Starcevich. It will break a case of having to come up with a pick or picks close to what the Lions would get as compensation alone.

So nothing then.

Lions are bringing in not one but two free agents at no draft cost.

Rules are they net off. Lions lose a defender with concussion history. Gain a FF and a ruck for free.

System works there.

But the Lions want two players for free, plus a discounted academy kid rated the best pure mid of the draft PLUS trade compensation for losing a RFA from the club finishing 18th.

Sounds really fair and reasonable.........not.

 

[stallon]

Coming from a McGowan zealot.

??
Youre assuming I voted for him lmao

 

[stallon]

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd we’re back

It never went anywhere, just us who were realistic stopped banging our heads against the wall with you guys

 

[stallon]

Suspect someone had a quiet word and pointed out that de facto removing Brisbane's ability to match the offer was at least possibly inconsistent with the CBA rules on free agency (if not a direct breach).

We werent asking to remove your ability to match the bid?
Just for it to not affect our pick 2.

Nothing would change for you guys

 

[Barrybran]

So nothing then.

Lions are bringing in not one but two free agents at no draft cost.

Rules are they net off. Lions lose a defender with concussion history. Gain a FF and a ruck for free.

System works there.

But the Lions want two players for free, plus a discounted academy kid rated the best pure mid of the draft PLUS trade compensation for losing a RFA from the club finishing 18th.

Sounds really fair and reasonable.........not.

The bolded part will play a factor in any assistance for us. Clubs already get a discount for players with priority access. I can't imagine getting free points will go down too well with other clubs.

 

[JasRulz63]

We werent asking to remove your ability to match the bid?
Just for it to not affect our pick 2.

Nothing would change for you guys

It's a relatively fundamental change in how West Coast planned to sign Starcevich though. Without the exemption, West Coast will now essentially treat Starcevich as a non-free agent uncontracted player.

 

[Mop]

It's a relatively fundamental change in how West Coast planned to sign Starcevich though. Without the exemption, West Coast will now essentially treat Starcevich as a non-free agent uncontracted player.

How does that impact Brisbane?
I’m not sure it really does, not from a free agency perspective. Sure, now a trade is on the cards, but this isn’t your argument.

From a league perspective it sets a really nasty precedent like the North Melbourne compensation did, I agree.

 

[RegionalLion]

This will probably be an unpopular opinion with Lions supporters but given what the Lions are gaining I think a future second or an early third this year is more realistic for Starce. We are getting two good free agents in and one going out. So we do get a win there, but the compensation herbs and spices does lead to other issues.

Is Starce in a stand-alone situation worth more - absolutely, but there are many moving pieces. A major thing that is really complicating the situation is the Oscar Allen

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compo and where Stace is going so both parties lose if things go this way without a trade. As someone pointed out if Starce went to any other club and the Lions did not or could not match then the lions would receive nothing.

This is then a question of both clubs deciding what the value of West Coast maintaining Pick 2 is and Brisbane then receiving some compensation for West Coast maintaining pick 2 whilst also gaining a free agent. In a time of draft picks seeming to have so much value the overall ledger of this situation is essentially:

Lions: Get Allen and a Traded Pick/s
West Coast: Get Starce and Pick 2

The Lions on a separate front do get Sam Draper it seems but I would suggest on the overall trade front for 'equality' there is still an imbalance

Lions: Get Allen, Draper and Traded Pick/s
West Coast: Get Starce and Pick 2

Still means the lions are down overall as Starce is arguably as good or better than (don't want to start this war up again) Allen / Draper and Pick 2 has much higher value than either Free agent so there does seem to be some levelling still needed in the overall balance people are discussing.

 

[JasRulz63]

How does that impact Brisbane?
I’m not sure it really does, not from a free agency perspective. Sure, now a trade is on the cards, but this isn’t your argument.

From a league perspective it sets a really nasty precedent like the North Melbourne compensation did, I agree.

Granting WC the exemption would be set a nasty precedent. They're asking to play outside the rules of free agency that apply to everyone.