List Mgmt. Draftee, NGA and Father/Son Discussion - 2025

[eaglevision]

Totally agree with you.
Unfortunately, the average BF poster has not caught up and still thinks that pick 5 = 5th best player in the draft.

Hence why I think that trading pick 1 for 5 & 6 this year would be a blunder.

Leaving your first paragraph behind as I agree with you and moving onto your second paragraph, try to look at the players rather than the picks.

Would you not (according to Cal’s rankings) trade Duursma for your choice of two of Cumming, Grlj, Robey, Schubert, Marsh, Farrow, Greeves, NHH or Phillipou?

That’s obviously in addition to taking Sharp at 2 (or CDT/Lindsay if you’re that way inclined).

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Two very different styles of player.

Davis is an elite runner and just runs all day, reasonable mark and has a high footy IQ, he known where to run to on the ground and reads the play very well , also has a touch of cunning to his game, he is an opportunist.
Would like to see him thrust himself more into the contests and be less of a receiver.
Can play wing or HFF.
Also has a kicking action that is less than perfect, that can hurt his kicking on the run
Hamish has the higher ceiling of the two, but also a lower floor.

Banfield is a tough no nonsense player that is a balanced footballer.
He is very adapt at getting in close at the coal face and getting his own ball, similarly he can run and carry and be a link man in the spread.
He is a scrapper and fights like hell to get the ball, he has a touch of the nasties in the way he plays, he doesn't mind the physicality of the contest he often seeks it out.
Plays taller than his height and can take a decent overhead mark.
Decent kick and good hands.
Charlie can play on all three lines and has more versatility.
Lower ceiling than Davis but a higher floor.
He also has the temperament that keeps a steady head in a crisis and will never flinch, he is a big game player.


If there was a minute and half to go and we were four points down, Banfield is the sort of player I would want on the ground.

He is one of those players that is not elite at anything, but does most things well.

To answer your specific question I think Banfield has more chance to make it on the wing at the next level.

If I had to put money on which of the two would have the better AFL career, my money would be on Banfield.

The fact that he is a FS selection and everyone knows that he is going to us, I don't think he gets critiqued as often or as extensively as those who are available to all Clubs and therefore he get under ratted.

Apologies a bit of a long answer, but I hope thats helpful.

So with both of them the future looks

 

[Jootube]

Leaving your first paragraph behind as I agree with you and moving onto your second paragraph, try to look at the players rather than the picks.

Would you not (according to Cal’s rankings) trade Duursma for your choice of two of Cumming, Grlj, Robey, Schubert, Marsh, Farrow, Greeves, NHH or Phillipou?

That’s obviously in addition to taking Sharp at 2 (or CDT/Lindsay if you’re that way inclined).

I don't think so.

Also, majority of posters are saying 1+19 for 5+6. That means we're giving up Fred too, not just Duursma.

What would you do? 1 & 19 or 5 & 6?

 

[ziad]

Handballing either side can surely be developed. They can teach the Irish players to do it. Kicking both feet would be a struggle now.

Hold my beer, isnt that an U14 skill?

 

[eaglevision]

I don't think so.

Also, majority of posters are saying 1+19 for 5+6. That means we're giving up Fred too, not just Duursma.

What would you do? 1 & 19 or 5 & 6?

Are they? With the amount of picks Essendon are likely to have this year I think they’d prefer our F2.

Duursma and F2 for Cumming and Schubert? Absolutely I would without a moment’s hesitation, I’d do the same with 1 + 19 as well. I don’t have Duursma that far ahead of Cumming at all.

I would have done the same last year, but not in 2023 and wouldn’t next year if the 1R is uncompromised.

 

[stallon]

He is physically dominant and immensely strong. He also finds the ball well and has good speed. He has very average decision making and poor skills. He is coming from further back in this regard and has developed quickly.

Decision making even in the modern era is king in footy. You can't be a super poor athlete but average athletes with a really high footy IQ will win out over dominant athletes almost all the time.

Decision making improves the longer in the system and the more development you get. The biggest issue for Robey is his skills.

Sounds a bit like what we already have covered then

 

[Elite Pete]

Hold my beer, isnt that an U14 skill?

You would’ve thought so but if he isn’t great at it, it should be an easy fix. Not sure how I am saying that after watching some of the easy handballs missed by our players this year.

 

[Jootube]

Are they? With the amount of picks Essendon are likely to have this year I think they’d prefer our F2.

Duursma and F2 for Cumming and Schubert? Absolutely I would without a moment’s hesitation, I’d do the same with 1 + 19 as well. I don’t have Duursma that far ahead of Cumming at all.

I would have done the same last year, but not in 2023 and wouldn’t next year if the 1R is uncompromised.

That's fair enough.
Truthfully, calling it a blunder is probably an exaggeration - pick 1 for 5 & 6 is mostly a wash.

Is there a concern that Duursma is a particularly weak pick 1, and the top 10 or 15 is pretty close?

Do we know if Harley broke up with Yasmin Duursma?
Unironically, if there is any bad blood maybe we just avoid drafting Willem.

 

[bzparkes]

That's fair enough.
Truthfully, calling it a blunder is probably an exaggeration - pick 1 for 5 & 6 is mostly a wash.

Is there a concern that Duursma is a particularly weak pick 1, and the top 10 or 15 is pretty close?

Do we know if Harley broke up with Yasmin Duursma?
Unironically, if there is any bad blood maybe we just avoid drafting Willem.

I don't think you can base your drafting strategy on unrequited teen love, tbh.

 

[Jootube]

I don't think you can base your drafting strategy on unrequited teen love, tbh.

It was that or a chicken guts fortune teller.

 

[eaglespremiers]

* Side Note to even things up at the Championships - these Melbourne teams player play with Vic Country: Western Jets

 

[observer2]

Two very different styles of player.

Davis is an elite runner and just runs all day, reasonable mark and has a high footy IQ, he known where to run to on the ground and reads the play very well , also has a touch of cunning to his game, he is an opportunist.
Would like to see him thrust himself more into the contests and be less of a receiver.
Can play wing or HFF.
Also has a kicking action that is less than perfect, that can hurt his kicking on the run
Hamish has the higher ceiling of the two, but also a lower floor.

Banfield is a tough no nonsense player that is a balanced footballer.
He is very adapt at getting in close at the coal face and getting his own ball, similarly he can run and carry and be a link man in the spread.
He is a scrapper and fights like hell to get the ball, he has a touch of the nasties in the way he plays, he doesn't mind the physicality of the contest he often seeks it out.
Plays taller than his height and can take a decent overhead mark.
Decent kick and good hands.
Charlie can play on all three lines and has more versatility.
Lower ceiling than Davis but a higher floor.
He also has the temperament that keeps a steady head in a crisis and will never flinch, he is a big game player.


If there was a minute and half to go and we were four points down, Banfield is the sort of player I would want on the ground.

He is one of those players that is not elite at anything, but does most things well.

To answer your specific question I think Banfield has more chance to make it on the wing at the next level.

If I had to put money on which of the two would have the better AFL career, my money would be on Banfield.

The fact that he is a FS selection and everyone knows that he is going to us, I don't think he gets critiqued as often or as extensively as those who are available to all Clubs and therefore he get under ratted.

Apologies a bit of a long answer, but I hope thats helpful.

Great analysis. Have watched a lot of both of Davis & Banfield over the years. As you have pointed although they are a similar size and shape they are quite different players. Davis overall is a better athlete and runner and has much higher footy IQ than Charlie. The kid just knows how to football. I think with a bit more confidence and match experience at the level he will begin to use his body a bit more to impact. Hoping he gets to spend a bit more time forward too as he is terrific in front of goals. Was drafted as a forward but I can see why they are using him on the wing as his endurance and pace for his size suits the style Mini is trying to implement.

Banfield's weapons are his overhead mark and yes likes to scrap and fight for the ball. I do have concerns about his ball use. I think his disposal efficiency would be very low watching his last few colts games. His kick is sound but he hasn't got great hands and turns it over a lot. I think Banfield will get rookied as cannot see any bids coming for him - No National Combine invite is a fairly good indication there isn't a lot of interest outside of West Coast. I know some think that is because he is F/S but pretty sure Ashcroft and Daicos boys attended National Combine. Hopefully West Coast get the extra Rookie picks and see Charlie get his opportunity.

Overall - both great competitors, both a good size and shape, Banfield better kick, Davis better hands, Banfield a better mark, Davis a better athlete and higher footy IQ. However, if there is a minute and half to go and we are 4 points down, Davis is the one I would trust to win the ball, make the right decision and not turn it over.

 

[Proeagle]

How do draft watchers rate Charlie Banfield as a wing prospect vs Hamish Davis?

Ive watched a few colts games because of Banfield and I honestly think Banfield looks as good as some of the prospects we may get in the top 15. I would love to see him go head to head with Robey for example. Looks a similar type.
I think we will get a good one here. Personally I'd say he is more a midfielder/HF.

 

[Proeagle]

I don't think so.

Also, majority of posters are saying 1+19 for 5+6. That means we're giving up Fred too, not just Duursma.

What would you do? 1 & 19 or 5 & 6?

I'd take 5 and 6 in most drafts but especially this one.

 

[PepperTom32]

The season ended for the Power but the likely pick 1 Williem Duursma wasn't going to go down without a fight. He showed how much his midfield game has matured over the course of the season here, able to influence around stoppage and in contested situations. Some of his marking around the ground was truly elite. The one achilles heel for Willem throughout the year has been his kicking, and it reared its head again here with him struggling to hit up targets inside 50, coughing up turnovers on a number of occasions.

If can clean up his kicking, or play within himself a bit more in his kicking, he's going to be a beast. Passes the eye test for me, and would happily take him at 1 with Sharp at 2. I haven't seen any of his highlights since the start of the year, but he looks like he's improved his contested game quite a bit.

 

[TheBudgies]

If can clean up his kicking, or play within himself a bit more in his kicking, he's going to be a beast. Passes the eye test for me, and would happily take him at 1 with Sharp at 2. I haven't seen any of his highlights since the start of the year, but he looks like he's improved his contested game quite a bit.

He's had some really beautiful games in the last 6 weeks or so. He seems to have bad days where his kicking is noticeable and others where he looks good. Some days he seems to just get into Duggan mode where he just starts going the roost and can't lower his eyes. Doesn't really seem positional but could be a little more common when he's playing back but he's spent more time there in last 24 months so that may be why its more common.

Him on the wing maybe some HBF/HFF would be seriously good early for us. Would be a round 1 lock.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I definitely think WAFL is a much poorer grade than VFL colts footy.

Take Banna's recent monster game for example. You read he had 30+ and a couple of snags and think it's going to make for elite viewing..

And then you watch his "highlights" and they're for the most part quite average. His opposition is just shocking at times. Lots of turnovers and messy ball from Banna's himself he gets away with, not too many slick skills or disposals. His tackles were just falling on top of a stationary idiot in the ground more often than not.

On the plus side, some elite ball winning, and his overhead marking and jump at the footy is Fyfe like Those to me are his quality traits, the rest of his game not so much IMO.

 

[shooshka]

Leaving your first paragraph behind as I agree with you and moving onto your second paragraph, try to look at the players rather than the picks.

Would you not (according to Cal’s rankings) trade Duursma for your choice of two of Cumming, Grlj, Robey, Schubert, Marsh, Farrow, Greeves, NHH or Phillipou?

That’s obviously in addition to taking Sharp at 2 (or CDT/Lindsay if you’re that way inclined).

The problem is if Cumming goes to the Tigers then that list adds one of CDT or Lindsay.

The only guys that can play inside mid are Greeves (similar to Sharp) and Robey (bolter, but big queries on his disposal).

We need to get 2x quality players into our midfield to develop from this draft

 

[eaglevision]

The problem is if Cumming goes to the Tigers then that list adds one of CDT or Lindsay.

The only guys that can play inside mid are Greeves (similar to Sharp) and Robey (bolter, but big queries on his disposal).

We need to get 2x quality players into our midfield to develop from this draft

We’ll know who Tigers are taking so can make an informed decision. If we can’t get Cumming at 5 who is a balanced mid, I’d probably stick with pick 1.

No point taking Greeves after Sharp. Robey too much of a risk for us IMO.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The father-son and nga problems and the draft compromise would go away in a simple change.

Any club tied prospects can only be matched if
1. The matching club holds a pick within 3 places of the bid is in the top 5
2. The matching club holds a pick within 5 places of the bid is in the top 6 to 10
3. The matching club holds a pick within 10 places of the bid is in the top rest of the first round
4. Enough points to match a bid with no discount for remaining bids

If it is this year, Lions have to manufacture a top 4 pick or near that for Annables. Suns would likely need a top 4 pick for Uwland plus a top 10 pick for Patterson. Hence it is fate to say that they have first dibs at them. Otherwise, the bidding club gets their man.

Who says no? The length of the first round would be 18 to 20 picks (excluding FA).

Free Agency compensation should only start after the first round.

 

[ghostbat12]

The father-son and nga problems and the draft compromise would go away in a simple change.

Any club tied prospects can only be matched if
1. The matching club holds a pick within 3 places of the bid is in the top 5
2. The matching club holds a pick within 5 places of the bid is in the top 6 to 10
3. The matching club holds a pick within 10 places of the bid is in the top rest of the first round
4. Enough points to match a bid with no discount for remaining bids

If it is this year, Lions have to manufacture a top 4 pick or near that for Annables. Suns would likely need a top 4 pick for Uwland plus a top 10 pick for Patterson. Hence it is fate to say that they have first dibs at them. Otherwise, the bidding club gets their man.

Who says no? The length of the first round would be 18 to 20 picks (excluding FA).

Free Agency compensation should only start after the first round.

I think that’s too hard. Come draft night, there is nothing you can do to get appropriate picks as players can’t be traded. You have to know beforehand (during trade period and before combine) where players are going to land.

There is no reason why top 10 picks can’t attract a 15% premium if you are a top 4 side, 10% premium if 5-8, no discount if 9-12 and 10% discount if 13-18.

I think the changes in points will hurt, especially if there is a tighter ability for free agents to go to top 4 teams. At end of day, Brisbane can’t just keep getting will ashcrofts drafted, they aren’t going to fit in the cap.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I think that’s too hard. Come draft night, there is nothing you can do to get appropriate picks as players can’t be traded. You have to know beforehand (during trade period and before combine) where players are going to land.

There is no reason why top 10 picks can’t attract a 15% premium if you are a top 4 side, 10% premium if 5-8, no discount if 9-12 and 10% discount if 13-18.

I think the changes in points will hurt, especially if there is a tighter ability for free agents to go to top 4 teams. At end of day, Brisbane can’t just keep getting will ashcrofts drafted, they aren’t going to fit in the cap.

That is crap you can’t arrange beforehand. Example - Tigers or Dons could agree in principal of a trade depending when the bid comes. Like us and Swans when we hid their pick when the Lizard was bid on

 

[wceeaglesfan]

my dream draft night
1 - willem duursma (eagles view him as the transition mid of the future)
2 traded to gc for 7 and 13
7 - cummings (viewed as the modern day midfielder, can do it all)
13 - farrow ( Has amazing ball use from the backline which eagles desperately need)
15 dovaston (eagles actually get a good small forward that can hit the scoreboard)
19 Matt Leray (winger, position of need after the departure of chesser)

 

[Priddis Is Done]

It's funny watching those proposing trades. Effectively willing to sacrifice duursma and draft those with increased risk, just to ensure CDT is not taken.

Its hilarious watching everyone salivating over the infinite universe of our picks when all we got for pick 2 was 8 and 12.

And the club besides themselves in proclaiming to members how they'd drafted 2 x powerful midfielders.

With all due respect, there are many on here that are off their chops.

 

[ghostbat12]

That is crap you can’t arrange beforehand. Example - Tigers or Dons could agree in principal of a trade depending when the bid comes. Like us and Swans when we hid their pick when the Lizard was bid on

If there are no players involved. It’s difficult to go from 18 to top 6 without giving up good players.

And practically, clubs (apart from us) generally do not like to trade down. Barely happens let alone trade down that far.