Players that didnt live up to their hype?

[NAB777]

Scott Hodges.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

I’ve been here long enough to remember the summer of Brock McLean.

Suffered from being a knob too. Many a story about how insufferable he was especially in his early years.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

I remember him. Did **** all.

Biggest claim to fame is who he's son is.

 

[dean33]

Sullivan Robey

 

[DangerSloane]

I don't watch Footy unless my team is playing. No interest.

Then stick to your team board and let the adults talk.

 

[Daka]

Jake Stringer.

I think he has had pretty good career he has almost 400 goals.

that's saying something if he still didn't live up to it think maybe injury and fitness held him back a little.

 

[Clark G]

If the international rules is included, Colm ‘The Gooch’ Cooper for the 2005 series. BT talked him up big time in commentary but The Gooch did not perform well.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Then stick to your team board and let the adults talk.

I will, once you stop being wrong and unintelligible.

 

[terrybull]

If it wasn’t all the super hype from Richmond themselves, then John Pitura would be seen today as a very good player.

 

[Andyy]

Its an interesting take, since 2000

Tick - N Riewoldt, Luke Hodge, Deledio, Marc Murphy, Lachie Witfield, Weitering, Matt Rowell, Harley Reid
50/50 - Goddard, Cooney, Gibbs, Andy McGrath, Cam Rayner, Sam Walsh, Horne Francis, Cadman,
Fail - Cooney, Kreuzar, Watts, Scully, David Swallow, Jon Patton, Tom Boyd, Paddy McCartin, JUH,

What the heck dude haha

Goddard was a gun. Cooney a brownlow medallist, whether it was a hotly contested season or not, Gibbs was a gun, McGrath is a gun in the backline IMO, Walsh is a gun, JHF is/will be. Cadman looks like he'll be sensational.

Only one of that 50-50 list is Rayner.

 

[Andyy]

What the heck dude haha

Goddard was a gun. Cooney a brownlow medallist, whether it was a hotly contested season or not, Gibbs was a gun, McGrath is a gun in the backline IMO, Walsh is a gun, JHF is/will be. Cadman looks like he'll be sensational.

Only one of that 50-50 list is Rayner.

Cadman in particular holy heck, he's 195cm and been on an AFL list 3 years.

He's still 21.

Has played 47 games for 74 goals in the last two years, including bags of 5+6 this year against grand finalists Lions + Cats.


He's looking a certainty to be a tick.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

What the heck dude haha

Goddard was a gun. Cooney a brownlow medallist, whether it was a hotly contested season or not, Gibbs was a gun, McGrath is a gun in the backline IMO, Walsh is a gun, JHF is/will be. Cadman looks like he'll be sensational.

Only one of that 50-50 list is Rayner.

I think your understanding of what a 'gun' is needs some recalibration.

 

[Andyy]

I think your understanding of what a 'gun' is needs some recalibration.

Or maybe you just have a different definition.

Are you suggesting they're B-grade players on modest money with 2nd round pick trade value?

Can't find a Dusty every year.

If a team like WCE had managed to pick up 3 of Gibbs, McGrath and Walsh for all their bottom-end finishes that would not be a failure IMO. At least not 50-50.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

I feel like Harley Reid is in danger of falling into this category. A bit like Nic Nat. Not really because of the player he is, but because the level of hype from the local media is cringeworthy and massively over the top. It can't be good for him.

 

[Chip Scab1]

What the heck dude haha

Goddard was a gun. Cooney a brownlow medallist, whether it was a hotly contested season or not, Gibbs was a gun, McGrath is a gun in the backline IMO, Walsh is a gun, JHF is/will be. Cadman looks like he'll be sensational.

Only one of that 50-50 list is Rayner.

Rayner is a 2x premiership winning gun too lol

 

[Andyy]

Rayner is a 2x premiership winning gun too lol

Definitely has 2 flags, but Jason Castagna has 3.

Rayner is a useful player and has some big moments, but I don't think he's a gun player.

Perhaps one of the better measures would be....if you're a #1 pick, in hindsight, how many players would be drafted ahead of that player when it's all said and done?

Sure there's a handful most years you'd think.


How many would go ahead of Goddard for 2002? Not many, if any.

As for Rayner, 2017, careers to date... I think you could make a case for Brayshaw, LDU, Naughton, Bailey, Richards, Higgins, Kelly, Balta, Taylor, TDK, Moore, McCartin, Ballard and Worpel all having as good or better careers so far.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Definitely has 2 flags, but Jason Castagna has 3.

Rayner is a useful player and has some big moments, but I don't think he's a gun player.

Perhaps one of the better measures would be....if you're a #1 pick, in hindsight, how many players would be drafted ahead of that player when it's all said and done?

Sure there's a handful most years you'd think.


How many would go ahead of Goddard for 2002? Not many, if any.

As for Rayner, 2017, careers to date... I think you could make a case for Brayshaw, LDU, Naughton, Bailey, Richards, Higgins, Kelly, Balta, Taylor, TDK, Moore, McCartin, Ballard and Worpel all having as good or better careers so far.

Def not better than Rayner: Worpel, Moore, McCartin, TDK, Higgins, Kelly.

Maybe: Naughton and LDU

3-5 tops.

 

[Andyy]

Def not better than Rayner: Worpel, Moore, McCartin, TDK, Higgins, Kelly.

Maybe: Naughton and LDU

3-5 tops.

I mentioned 14 players and said 'as good or better'

So by exclusion you're acknowledging that at least 8 of those 14 players are at least as good.

So by that reasoning Rayner is around a top 5-10 pick at best.

I think if that draft was done again he'd struggle to fit into most people's top 10.

 

[Chip Scab1]

I mentioned 14 players and said 'as good or better'

So by exclusion you're acknowledging that at least 8 of those 14 players are at least as good.

So by that reasoning Rayner is around a top 5-10 pick at best.

I think if that draft was done again he'd struggle to fit into most people's top 10.

3-5 tops, 3 for sure. Couldn't have been clearer.

 

[Andyy]

3-5 tops, 3 for sure. Couldn't have been clearer.

Actually you could have been much clearer - that is, if your post had any concise information whatsoever?


Instead you gave a non-specific range of 3-5 players, with two maybes, and zero confirmed even though you acknowledge there are at least 3 better players.


If you're telling everyone you'd rather have Rayner than LDU or Naughton you've got rocks in your head.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Actually you could have been much clearer - that is, if your post had any concise information whatsoever?


Instead you gave a non-specific range of 3-5 players, with two maybes, and zero confirmed even though you acknowledge there are at least 3 better players.


If you're telling everyone you'd rather have Rayner than LDU or Naughton you've got rocks in your head.

Just my two cents on Rayner.

Probably hasn't really come 'as advertised' considering he was touted to be the next Dusty with the big 'don't argue' and explosiveness.

What he is though, is a high impact player in the mould of Stringer or De Goey. One that can turn a game with a 10 minute burst forward of centre.

It's actually pretty line ball IMO if you could say whether he's lived up to the hype or not.

 

[Seb78]

 

[tigertRANCE]

3 votes......




R.Tambling - Richmond

 

[Andyy]

Just my two cents on Rayner.

Probably hasn't really come 'as advertised' considering he was touted to be the next Dusty with the big 'don't argue' and explosiveness.

What he is though, is a high impact player in the mould of Stringer or De Goey. One that can turn a game with a 10 minute burst forward of centre.

It's actually pretty line ball IMO if you could say whether he's lived up to the hype or not.

I like him mate, impact player....P1 though? Maybe not that much

 

[Piggy Smalls]

I like him mate, impact player....P1 though? Maybe not that much

To put it in perspective, his ability to have high impact possessions and hit the scoreboard is exactly what is missing from P2 Brayshaw's game. And I've watched all of them. The gap isn't that big.