Banter FOOTY Banter! - Who will be better in 2026? Carlton or Collingwood Part 8

[carlton_99]

Stick with me and you'll learn a few things about footy

Yes the condescension really helps your argument here...

 

[Fadge]

Fremantle’s most impactful midfielder is Hayden Young. Has had some bad luck injury wise over his career but in terms of impact it's not even close since he has moved in his midfield. Serong is your inside midfielder who distributes it to the better users which is why he cops attention. Historically, he also has not dealt well with a tag which is why teams will keep doing it.

Based on overall impact I would have it as Young, Bradshaw (one of the best two way mids in the AFL) and then Serong.

Oh FFS.

You do realise I'm basing it on actual output.

You could be right about Young being Freo's most 'impactful' when he's on the field, but as far as actual output over the past 3 years, he's miles down the list. Even probably behind George Hewett!

And it's Brayshaw, not Bradshaw!

 

[carlton_99]

Oh FFS.

You do realise I'm basing it on actual output.

You could be right about Young being Freo's most 'impactful' when he's on the field, but as far as actual output over the past 3 years, he's miles down the list. Even probably behind George Hewett!

And it's Brayshaw, not Bradshaw!

Congratulations you found a spelling mistake. Even based on output. Young has shown more than enough imo to be considered the best player at Fremantle. His impact is off the chart good and he can do it across all three lines. One of the most impactful players in the AFL and will only continue to improve.

Regardless, I would also have Brayshaw ahead of Serong who is one of the best two way mids in the competition.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Jai Newcombe 2023
AA Squad
Runner Up (2 votes) to Day in Hawks Best and Fairest
18 votes in Brownlow Medal (eq. 17th)
63 votes in Coaches Award (eq. 15th)

Jai Newcombe 2024
Hawks Best and Fairest
24 votes in Brownlow Medal (10th)
69 votes in Coaches Award (eq. 14th)
15 Coaches Votes in 2 Finals

Jai Newcombe 2025
4th in Hawks Best and Fairest
17 votes in Brownlow (eq.20th)
18 Coaches votes in 3 finals

If you're not rating him as an A Grader, you must only have a half dozen A Grade midfielders in the competition.

Daicos
Bont
Butters
Neale
Serong
Heeney

Because they're the only 6 midfielders who have clearly outperformed him over the past 3 seasons.

Patrick Cripps 2023-2025
5th, 1st, 5th in BnF
87 Brownlow Votes
200 AFLCA votes
2 AA Squads
1 AA Team
1 Brownlow

Jai Newcombe 2023-2025

2nd, 1st, 4th in BnF
59 Brownlow Votes
176 AFLCA votes
1 AA squad
0 Major individual awards

 

[carlton_99]

Patrick Cripps 2023-2025
5th, 1st, 5th in BnF
87 Brownlow Votes
200 AFLCA votes
2 AA Squads
1 AA Team
1 Brownlow

Jai Newcombe 2023-2025

2nd, 1st, 4th in BnF
59 Brownlow Votes
176 AFLCA votes
1 AA squad
0 Major individual awards

You don't get it. Brownlow votes, AA squads and coaches votes become rubbish metrics when it is a Carlton player ahead.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Patrick Cripps 2023-2025
5th, 1st, 5th in BnF
87 Brownlow Votes
200 AFLCA votes
2 AA Squads
1 AA Team
1 Brownlow

Jai Newcombe 2023-2025

2nd, 1st, 4th in BnF
59 Brownlow Votes
176 AFLCA votes
1 AA squad
0 Major individual awards

Someone please explain to me how Newcombe is the winner in this comparison

 

[Fadge]

Caleb Serong

3

Caleb Serong

Age

25

Ht

180cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

2025
25 Brownlow votes (eq. 6th)
84 Coaches votes (eq. 11th)
All-Australian (Bench)
Fremantle Best and Fairest

Caleb Serong

3

Caleb Serong

Age

25

Ht

180cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

2024
28 Brownlow votes (eq. 4th)
100 Coaches votes (eq. 4th)
All-Australian (Rover)
Fremantle Best and Fairest

Caleb Serong

3

Caleb Serong

Age

25

Ht

180cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

2023
24 Brownlow votes (eq. 7th)
86 Coaches votes (8th)
All-Australian (Bench)
Fremantle Best and Fairest

But according to Carlton supporting posters, he doesn't deserve to be in the top 6 midfielders since 2023, and Cripps does...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Caleb Serong 2025
25 Brownlow votes (eq. 6th)
84 Coaches votes (eq. 11th)
All-Australian (Bench)
Fremantle Best and Fairest

Caleb Serong 2024
28 Brownlow votes (eq. 4th)
100 Coaches votes (eq. 4th)
All-Australian (Rover)
Fremantle Best and Fairest

Caleb Serong 2023
24 Brownlow votes (eq. 7th)
86 Coaches votes (8th)
All-Australian (Bench)
Fremantle Best and Fairest

But according to Carlton supporting posters, he doesn't deserve to be in the top 6 midfielders since 2023, and Cripps does...

Yeah we adjusted it all with your nonsense 'how much opposition attention do they get' scale.

Therefore Cripps wins automatically because he gets tagged way more often

 

[Worm4]

Someone please explain to me how Newcombe is the winner in this comparison

Fadgesising - its the new bigfooty metric ( also known as having your hand on it )

 

[Fadge]

Patrick Cripps 2023-2025
5th, 1st, 5th in BnF
87 Brownlow Votes
200 AFLCA votes
2 AA Squads
1 AA Team
1 Brownlow

Jai Newcombe 2023-2025

2nd, 1st, 4th in BnF
59 Brownlow Votes
176 AFLCA votes
1 AA squad
0 Major individual awards

Yep, Cripps had one great year amongst his 3, but was outperformed by Newcombe in the other 2 seasons, including Newcombe's two great finals series'.

You can't be outperfomed by a player in 2 of 3 seasons, and argue the player who was better only in one season was CLEARLY better.

I mean, look and the Club Best and Fairest placings to start, and then consider finals performances...

Coaches votes, including finals - Newcombe 209, Cripps 204

 

[sr36]

Fremantle’s most impactful midfielder is Hayden Young. Has had some bad luck injury wise over his career but in terms of impact it's not even close since he has moved into the midfield. Serong is an inside midfielder who distributes it to the better users which is why he cops attention. Historically, he also has not dealt well with a tag which is why teams will keep doing it.

Based on overall impact I would have it as Young, Brayshaw (one of the best two way mids in the AFL) and then Serong.

Serong is a star. Not flashy, but he wins as much footy on the inside as Neale and Cripps and uses it better. He's unbelievably clean under pressure.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yep, Cripps had one great year amongst his 3, but was outperformed by Newcombe in the other 2 seasons, including Newcombe's two great finals series'.

You can't be outperfomed by a player in 2 of 3 seasons, and argue the player who was better only in one season was CLEARLY better.

I mean, look and the Club Best and Fairest placings to start, and then consider finals performances...

Who wrote this rule? You presented us a bunch of stats from Newcombe with his Brownlow votes, AFLCA votes etc to show how dominant he was and Cripps outperformed him in all of them

In regard to the BnF's the only major difference is in 2023 when Newcombe came 2nd but his team finished 16th whereas Cripps came 5th in a team that played in a prelim that year and missed games due to injury. In 2024 both nabbed a 1st place finish but nobody would do anything but laugh if you tried comparing the two's performances that season. Cripps was light-years ahead of him.

By your own idiotic measurements, Cripps outperformed him. And by a long way.

Then we could go on to players like Noah Anderson, Matt Rowell, Hugh McCluggage, Jordan Dawson, Zach Merrett, Errol Gulden, Andy Brayshaw etc who have all performed at a higher level too.

 

[Fadge]

Congratulations you found a spelling mistake. Even based on output. Young has shown more than enough imo to be considered the best player at Fremantle.

But the discussion isn't 'who do we think is the best player at a club'.

It's who has been the best performed over the past 3 seasons, and Serong is right up there amongst the very, very best in the competition.

 

[Robertio]

Cripps has been CLEARLY better than Newcombe over the past 3 seasons, when Newcombe has outperformed him in 2 of the 3 seasons?

Somehow you won't be convincing me on that one.

 

[Fadge]

Then we could go on to players like Noah Anderson, Matt Rowell, Hugh McCluggage, Jordan Dawson, Zach Merrett, Errol Gulden, Andy Brayshaw etc who have all performed at a higher level too.

Have they? CLEARLY over the past 3 years?

Nope.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Have they? CLEARLY over the past 3 years?

Nope.

Go do your silly breakdown of Brownlow votes, AFLCA, AA's, BnFs etc and tell us who of that lot Newcombe clearly outperformed

 

[Fadge]

Who wrote this rule? You presented us a bunch of stats from Newcombe with his Brownlow votes, AFLCA votes etc to show how dominant he was and Cripps outperformed him in all of them

No, he hasn't.

Newcombe outperforms Cripps in B&F placings and Coaches votes (once you consider finals, and finals are reasonably important).

I mean, Newcombe only had 9 fewer coaches votes in finals this year than Cripps had for the entire 2025 season....

 

[Fadge]

Go do your silly breakdown of Brownlow votes, AFLCA, AA's, BnFs etc and tell us who of that lot Newcombe clearly outperformed

But I'm not saying Newcombe CLEARLY OUTPERFORMED any of them.

I'm saying none of them have CLEARLY outperformed him over the past 3 seasons.

 

[carlton_99]

Serong is a star. Not flashy, but he wins as much footy on the inside as Neale and Cripps and uses it better. He's unbelievably clean under pressure.

Serong is a very good player but I'm taking the other two ahead of him. They are far harder to stop imo and do more damage around the ground. Serong great at what he does but the others have more to their games

 

[Fadge]

Serong is a very good player but I'm taking the other two ahead of him. They are far harder to stop imo and do more damage around the ground. Strong great at what he does but the others have more to their games

Serong has outperformed both of them over the last 3 years (only marginally ahead of Neale), but you'd be on your own if you're taking either Cripps or Neale ahead of Serong going into 2026.

 

[Robertio]

Stick with me and you'll learn a few things about footy.

 

[Robertio]

More delusion. Unsurprising.

A lot of delusion coming from a certain Wobbler.

 

[carlton_99]

Serong has outperformed both of them over the last 3 years (only marginally ahead of Neale), but you'd be on your own if you're taking either Cripps or Neale ahead of Serong going into 2026.

Good to see your arrogance knows no bounds. Now speaking for everyone that follows the AFL

 

[Fadge]

Good to see your arrogance knows no bounds. Now speaking for everyone that follows the AFL

No. Just anyone who is logical and rational.

 

[carlton_99]

No. Just anyone who is logical and rational.

Ah yes logical and rational. Like using Brownlow odds as evidence of who will be better next year