Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Geelong_Sicko]

The time for unity is when Albanese takes action against fundamentalist Islam. Until he does that, it is clear he does not stand for all Australians.

There needs to be a wider war, and I mean war, against all ethno-religious supremacist and separatist ideology.

Don't believe this is a world we all have to share together? Cease breathing our shared air then!

 

[undefined]

It started on page 2 when the bodies were still warm:

That's some accusation - a pity that you've completely misinterpreted my comments.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

What does that actually mean? You're a cannibal who will only eat lefties?

It doesn't seem like you understand what a 'cannibal' means in that context.

 

[Bloods86]

They’re turning up to the same rallies to protest the same cause - I don’t know what to tell you. This is a fact. It’s reality. No matter what you think of me, it simply continues to be true.

On the right you’ll find people who love Israel, and those who have a deep seated hatred of Jews. By your logic they should have nothing to do with each other. Which group does “the right” get to disown? Neither, because it is an indisputable fact regardless of any pissing and moaning and performative outrage.

JFC

If you are there as an IS sympathiser, you are not protesting the same cause.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

That's some accusation - a pity that you've completely misinterpreted my comments.

Well....you were the first one to bring up the te word 'israel' and 'Antizionism'

 

[ElectricG]

JFC

If you are there as an IS sympathiser, you are not protesting the same cause.

How many protests do you go to where you don’t support the sentiment being expressed at that protest? Only to counter protest, which they aren’t doing.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yesterday we had two stalwarts on here claiming to see no particular Realpolitik downside to their suggestion that Australia (a nation comprising one third of one percent of the world's population) insult the religion of a quarter of the world's population, so I think we can all agree things get a bit outlandish on here at times.

 

[faible]

What does that actually mean? You're a cannibal who will only eat lefties?

Morrison isn't far enough right for him. You might not have seen enough of his posting elsewhere, but he doesn't make a secret that he's a pretty far-right pro-authoritarian.

 

[CM86]

The time for unity is when Albanese takes action against fundamentalist Islam. Until he does that, it is clear he does not stand for all Australians.

Where is the line for you, between an Australian Muslims, who is part of Australia, and an Islamic fundamentalist?

Because the problem is you say 'fundamentalist Islam', but you'd group basically all Muslims under that term.


So can you please show this is incorrect, by giving a rough line where you'd consider the difference between the Islam you'd welcome in Australia, and the 'fundamentalist Islam' that you want action against?

 

[faible]

How many protests do you go to where you don’t support the sentiment being expressed at that protest? Only to counter protest, which they aren’t doing.

ISIS doesn't support Palestine. So for whatever reason they were there, it wasn't to support a pro-Palestine sentiment.

 

[bourbons]

You keep talking about former governments as if it means anything. I am happy to condemn Scott Morrison for failing on this issue. Every single Islamist with a shred of fundamental ties should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and if Scott Morrison's govenrment failed to do that, then I would condemn it as equally as I condemn Albanese's.

Suuuure you would buddy, just like you take issue with and call out hateful dangerous rhetoric which may foster political violence from both left and right sources, right? Remember when you made that claim and were completely incapable of backing it up?

Most are familiar with your shtick here by now, mate. You are an irrational and deranged liar, completely consumed and broken by your seething hatred of anything 'left' and totally incapable of any accurate self assessment.

 

[Bloods86]

How many protests do you go to where you don’t support the sentiment being expressed at that protest? Only to counter protest, which they aren’t doing.

You would have to ask them what their motivations are, but I suspect it would involve in their minds a conflation of "Israel" (what others are protesting about, at least partially) and "Jews" (what their target really is), which is dumb.

 

[ElectricG]

Yesterday we had two stalwarts on here claiming to see no particular Realpolitik downside to their suggestion that Australia (a nation comprising one third of one percent of the world's population) insult the religion of a quarter of the world's population, so I think we can all agree things get a bit outlandish on here at times.

A bit rude how you’re talking about me like I’m not here. I didn’t say “no downside” - I mentioned multiple times that it would take political courage.

We’ve also had people saying that the Jews orchestrated their own slaughter as part of a false flag attack, doxxing the dead, and “just asking” the question whether “these people should really be protected”.

Weird that you’re most upset about bad things being said about a religion.

ISIS doesn't support Palestine. So for whatever reason they were there, it wasn't to support a pro-Palestine sentiment.

Maybe there was an administrative error and they turned up at the wrong protest. Got off at the wrong station perhaps.

 

[ferball]

It doesn't seem like you understand what a 'cannibal' means in that context.

You said we wouldn't find any supporter of Scott Morrison inside you.

I assume that's because you either don't eat them or have shat them all out by now.

But I'm looking forward to testing your claim. When can we do that?

 

[ferball]

Morrison isn't far enough right for him. You might not have seen enough of his posting elsewhere, but he doesn't make a secret that he's a pretty far-right pro-authoritarian.

Yeah I kind of figured that.

I think the only solution to people like that is to laugh at them. Especially when they're doing something as abhorrent as trying to politicise this tragedy.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

How many protests do you go to where you don’t support the sentiment being expressed at that protest? Only to counter protest, which they aren’t doing.

Different agendas can drive in the same car. Say you dislike Islamic fundamentalism and so does a neo-Nazi. You hate them because they violently push their faith into everyone's face with their 'convert or die, infidel!' bullshit and that intrudes upon your own faith.

The neo-Nazi just hates them because they hate everyone not the exact same as themselves.

You're both there to give Islamic fundamentalists the middle finger, but for widely different reasons.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

A bit rude how you’re talking about me like I’m not here. I didn’t say “no downside” - I mentioned multiple times that it would take political courage.

You’re absolutely correct that it would take political courage for a nation to deliberately insult the religion of a quarter of the world’s people.

Weird that you’re most upset about bad things being said about a religion.

You bet I’m upset, but it’s not about bad things being said about a religion.

I’m upset that people are so stupid as to think that saying bad things about a religion that 2 billion humans follow would be a smart thing to do.

That sort of boneheadedness upsets me greatly.

 

[ElectricG]

You’re absolutely correct that it would take political courage for a nation to deliberately insult the religion of a quarter of the world’s people.


You bet I’m upset, but it’s not about bad things being said about a religion.

I’m upset that people are so stupid as to think that saying bad things about a religion that 2 billion humans follow would be a smart thing to do.

That sort of boneheadedness upsets me greatly.

Well at this point I’m just trying to avoid becoming the top contributor in the thread so let’s just leave it there. You think it’s dumb, I think it’s honest and brave. That’s not going to change.

 

[undefined]

Well....you were the first one to bring up the te word 'israel' and 'Antizionism'

Opposing Netanyahu's twisted take on Zionism while abhorring anti-Semitism is pretty reasonable. That's what I was clearly asserting. And is stressing the distinction not justified in hindsight, given the commentary we've seen from the Newscorp ghouls and legacy Libs?

 

[kalex6251]

worth remembering

Morrison sees votes in anti-Muslim strategy

THE opposition immigration spokesman, Scott Morrison, urged the shadow cabinet to capitalise on the electorate's growing concerns about ''Muslim immigration'', "Muslims in Australia" and the "inability" of Muslim migrants to integrate.

www.smh.com.au

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Suuuure you are buddy, just like you take issue with and call out hateful dangerous rhetoric which may foster political violence from both left and right sources, right? Remember when you made that claim and were completely incapable of backing it up?

Most are familiar with your shtick here by now, mate. You are an irrational and deranged liar, completely consumed and broken by your seething hatred of anything 'left' and totally incapable of any accurate self assessment.

I don't agree.

 

[Festerz]

only a low IQ dimwit doesn't understand this has nothing to do with Israel/Palestine conflict.

As moderate Jewish groups such as the Jewish Voice for Peace and our own Jewish Council of Australia have clearly stated, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to see how the ongoing Israel/Palestinian conflict over territories and the Gaza invasion form a key part of the tensions between the Jewish and Islamic Worlds and how they are used to inflame the existential threat of hate inspired religious terrorism globally.




The ignorant, divisive, cynical and opportunistic words and actions of some of our own politicians after the massacre at the Bondi Hanukkah family event have greatly heightened the risk for all of us (including those of Jewish faith) of yet further escalation of terrorist violence in our part of the world. They are harnessing hatred and division for their own personal aggrandisement.

That in itself is a measure of their selfish idiocy.

 

[bourbons]

I don't agree.

Shocker

Hateful extremists and cookers are never much good at self-identifying themselves as such I suppose.

Feel free to finally respond to any of my posts quoting or tagging you over the last month or so with respect to hateful dangerous rhetoric fostering political violence coming from people you support.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

Different agendas can drive in the same car. Say you dislike Islamic fundamentalism and so does a neo-Nazi. You hate them because they violently push their faith into everyone's face with their 'convert or die, infidel!' bullshit and that intrudes upon your own faith.

The neo-Nazi just hates them because they hate everyone not the exact same as themselves.

You're both there to give Islamic fundamentalists the middle finger, but for widely different reasons.

I think this is a well explained post. However my expectation is that those who are at these protests for reasons other than Islamic fundamentalism should have done everything in their power to make the fundamentalists feel unwelcome. They should have made loud and frequent public statements, they should have supported police when they sought to identify these people, they should have welcomed police presence as means of helping to reduce the presence of wickedness and evil. When these people attended protests with their “almost” ISIS and Hamas flags they should have walked away from the protests leaving the fundamentalists looking small, weak and stupid.

Sadly it is only after the Bondi massacre that we are starting to see groups seek to differentiate themselves from evil. And whilst it is better late than never it is still too late to have any effect.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[WeightOfTheWorld]

Chief

Close the thread mods please. People in here will never be convinced no matter what their beliefs.

Lets call it an over.