Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 6

[Eagleboy2011]

False alarm, apparently. Maybe they should have waited until theycommitted a crime.

"The police received information suggesting a possible violent act was being planned. No weapons were found, and no direct link to the Bondi attack was established.
Police noted the men held similar Islamist ideologies to known extremists and stated they would continue monitoring them in coordination with Victorian and federal authorities."

 

[Fax]

So all this preaching has only happened in past 3 years? Come on.

So are you saying that they have been policing hate speech coming from the extremists since October 7? or they will from now on? Or the laws have not passed on it yet?

 

[George CantStandYa]

So are you saying that they have been policing hate speech coming from the extremists since October 7? or they will from now on? Or the laws have not passed on it yet?

Be careful, he will call you thick and stupid

 

[pjcrows]

Absoltely the LNP would have supported hate speech especially by the hate preachers, you're being totally disingenuous.

One side has made there attitude crystal clear and it aint Labor.

The LNP did not want hate speech laws, as they believed it would restrict the ability of people to express a firmly held religious view. LNP, especially conservative/right-leaning MPs, have long argued that broad hate-speech or anti-vilification laws can “police speech” and are un-Australian. Do you remember 18C?

 

[George CantStandYa]

Absoltely the LNP would have supported hate speech especially by the hate preachers, you're being totally disingenuous.

One side has made there attitude crystal clear and it aint Labor.

He’s deflecting from the fact Labor haven’t needed the LNP to pass it

 

[kirky]

The LNP did not want hate speech laws, as they believed it would restrict the ability of people to express a firmly held religious view. LNP, especially conservative/right-leaning MPs, have long argued that broad hate-speech or anti-vilification laws can “police speech” and are un-Australian. including religious viewpoints. Do you remember 18C?

Yes, because the Liberal Party has been captured by the religious right which is why it was one of the reasons they were so roundly rejected in May 2025.

And for the dumb ones on here, the ALP wanted bi-partisanship on the issue but no even tho the ALP had numbers with Greens they wanted unity on the issue but of course the Liberals would never want that. You only need to see the ex-Lib PMs come out and make this very political.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yes, because the Liberal Party has been captured by the religious right which is why it was one of the reasons they were so roundly rejected in May 2025.

And for the dumb ones on here, the ALP wanted bi-partisanship on the issue but no even tho the ALP had numbers with Greens they wanted unity on the issue but of course the Liberals would never want that. You only need to see the ex-Lib PMs come out and make this very political.

lol, so the ALP pick and choose which legislation they want bi-partisanship on? Without it they won’t try? You’re taking the piss right?

 

[Vader]

Absoltely the LNP would have supported hate speech especially by the hate preachers, you're being totally disingenuous.

One side has made there attitude crystal clear and it aint Labor.

Learn to read. That's not what was being implied.

 

[pjcrows]

He’s deflecting from the fact Labor haven’t needed the LNP to pass it

So for years the LNP dismissed hate speech laws, in government or opposition. Outrage from the right wing whenever it was proposed. "Lefty anti-free speech nanny state dangerous authoritarianism".

Then later on, when they are pinning a terror attack on hate speech, they're directly blaming the people that they opposed on hate speech legislation, for not doing enough on hate speech?

No worries.

 

[George CantStandYa]

So for years the LNP dismissed hate speech laws, in government or opposition. Outrage from the right wing whenever it was proposed. "Lefty anti-free speech nanny state dangerous authoritarianism".

Then later on, when they are pinning a terror attack on hate speech, they're directly blaming the people that they opposed on hate speech legislation, for not doing enough on hate speech?

No worries.

So for years Labor wanted hate speech laws, in opposition and government and did nothing about it because the LNP would criticise them.

No worries.

But since antisemitism has run rampant under Labor, maybe they should have.

 

[pjcrows]

So for years Labor wanted hate speech laws, in opposition and government and did nothing about it because the LNP would criticise them.

No worries.

But since antisemitism has run rampant under Labor, maybe they should have.

Well you can't pass legislation in opposition. The 18C debate was when the LNP were in government.

In government, Labor have passed laws on hate speech, in February this year. They made it a federal crime to recklessly urge force or violence against designated groups, including those distinguished by race or religion. A number of people have already been charged under the law, prior to Bondi.

Laws and legislation around free speech are complex, for the reasons outlined in previous points.

The facts are - when in government, the LNP did not introduce hate speech laws and found ways to avoid them. When in government, Labor did introduce hate speech laws, despite a lot of criticism, and are now being blamed for not going far enough.

 

[spenze]

You lot have tried to deflect this to Israel, don’t bullshit.

Needed now? What were the government doing previously?

Dancing round, politicising Palestine in the hope of getting Green votes.

Honestly, this government is a disgrace, everything is expensive, we have to have green energy whilst they sell our dirty energy overseas and a coward of a Prime Minister who wouldn't go to the funeral of a little girl who died because...well you know jumping on the Palestinian cause even though there were obvious signs of anti Semitism happening in this country on his watch.

At least Morrison went out and saw the bushfire victims, he copped it and he knew he would get it, not this ****ing weasel though, hiding behind his mums apron hoping it would blow over.

The most gutless, weak, spineless Prime Minister in our history but here we have a bunch of idiots defending him and his party because they aren't the other side. Have some integrity, you should be able to criticise the insipid, piss weak effort Labor has produced. They aren't going to get any better whilst the usual folk openly throat gag themselves on them no matter what they do.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Well you can't pass legislation in opposition. The 18C debate was when the LNP were in government.

In government, Labor have passed laws on hate speech, in February this year. They made it a federal crime to recklessly urge force or violence against designated groups, including those distinguished by race or religion. A number of people have already been charged under the law, prior to Bondi.

Laws and legislation around free speech are complex, for the reasons outlined in previous points.

The facts are - when in government, the LNP did not introduce hate speech laws and found ways to avoid them. When in government, Labor did introduce hate speech laws, despite a lot of criticism, and are now being blamed for not going far enough.

Examples please.

 

[pjcrows]

Dancing round, politicising Palestine in the hope of getting Green votes.

Honestly, this government is a disgrace, everything is expensive, we have to have green energy whilst they sell our dirty energy overseas and a coward of a Prime Minister who wouldn't go to the funeral of a little girl who died because...well you know jumping on the Palestinian cause even though there were obvious signs of anti Semitism happening in this country on his watch.

At least Morrison went out and saw the bushfire victims, he copped it and he knew he would get it, not this ****ing weasel though, hiding behind his mums apron hoping it would blow over.

The most gutless, weak, spineless Prime Minister in our history but here we have a bunch of idiots defending him and his party because they aren't the other side. Have some integrity, you should be able to criticise the insipid, piss weak effort Labor has produced. They aren't going to get any better whilst the usual folk openly throat gag themselves on them no matter what they do.

We're currently discussing the Bondi terrorist attack.

I will certainly criticise Labor on a number of things, including housing and cost of living. There are also a number of Labor politicians who I dislike (but that's not exclusive to just Labor).

However I won't blame Albanese and the government what happened in Bondi, in the same way I didn't blame John Howard for Port Arthur, Tony Abbott for the Lindt Seige or Malcolm Turnbull for James bloody Gargasaulos.

 

[pjcrows]

Examples please.

Tougher hate speech laws used just four times before vow to rework them

Strenthened federal hate speech laws that the government held up as evidence it acted on antisemitism have been used four times since February, with it now conceding they do not go far enough.

www.abc.net.au

In short: ​

Beefed-up federal hate speech laws were used four times after they passed parliament with bipartisan support in February.
The government on Thursday conceded the laws had not gone far enough while pledging to lower the threshold for hate speech offences.

What's next?​

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he would consider recalling parliament to push through the laws, but not before drafting the bill and securing broad parliamentary support.

 

[Fax]

Well you can't pass legislation in opposition. The 18C debate was when the LNP were in government.

In government, Labor have passed laws on hate speech, in February this year. They made it a federal crime to recklessly urge force or violence against designated groups, including those distinguished by race or religion. A number of people have already been charged under the law, prior to Bondi.

Laws and legislation around free speech are complex, for the reasons outlined in previous points.

The facts are - when in government, the LNP did not introduce hate speech laws and found ways to avoid them. When in government, Labor did introduce hate speech laws, despite a lot of criticism, and are now being blamed for not going far enough.

Could they have used the Racial Discrimination Act from 1975 and enforced that? They managed to ban the Nazi symbols, etc a couple of years ago which is obviously great but it also shows IMO they could've done something about it before all this if they wanted to.

 

[pjcrows]

Could they have used the Racial Discrimination Act from 1975 and enforced that? They managed to ban the Nazi symbols, etc a couple of years ago which is obviously great but it also shows IMO they could've done something about it before all this if they wanted to.

That's what 18C was about. Morrison wanted to amend the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 which would've made it harder to trigger. As in, it would've been softer on hate speech. Which is why it's a bit rich to hear people blaming Albanese for not doing more.

 

[Fax]

That's what 18C was about. Morrison wanted to amend the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 which would've made it harder to trigger. As in, it would've been softer on hate speech. Which is why it's a bit rich to hear people blaming Albanese for not doing more.

So they could've used it or they can't? Also the nazi stuff shows they could've done this before IMO.

 

[pjcrows]

So they could've used it or they can't? Also the nazi stuff shows they could've done this before IMO.

I've ChatGPT'd this:

Yes — but only in a very limited, specific way.
The Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cth) can be used against hate speech, mainly through Section 18C, but it does not criminalise hate speech in the way some people assume.

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How the Act applies to hate speech​

Section 18C — the key provision​

The Act makes it unlawful (civil, not criminal) to do something in public that is reasonably likely to:

• Offend, insult, humiliate, or intimidate
• A person or group
• Because of their race, colour, national or ethnic origin

This means:

• Victims can lodge a complaint
• The matter usually goes to conciliation (^6 months)
• Courts can order remedies (apologies, damages, injunctions) (^6 months)
• No criminal conviction or jail time

So yes, it can be used against racial hate speech, if it meets this very specific threshold. It is scarcely used.

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Important limits on its use​

1. Strong free-speech protections (Section 18D)​

Speech is protected if done reasonably and in good faith for:

• Artistic expression
• Academic or scientific debate
• Fair and accurate reporting
• Fair comment on matters of public interest

This is why:

• Political debate is often protected
• Courts apply a very high bar, not “hurt feelings”

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2. Not all hate speech qualifies​

The Act does not cover:

• Private conversations
• Speech not based on race (e.g. religion, gender, sexuality)
• Mere rudeness or unpopular opinions
• Criminal threats or violence (handled by other laws)

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3. Civil, not criminal​

• It’s about preventing harm and resolving disputes
• Not punishment in the criminal sense

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In simple terms​

• The Act can be used, in a long process difficult to enforce.
• It does not criminalise hate speech

 

[spenze]

We're currently discussing the Bondi terrorist attack.

I will certainly criticise Labor on a number of things, including housing and cost of living. There are also a number of Labor politicians who I dislike (but that's not exclusive to just Labor).

However I won't blame Albanese and the government what happened in Bondi, in the same way I didn't blame John Howard for Port Arthur, Tony Abbott for the Lindt Seige or Malcolm Turnbull for James bloody Gargasaulos.

3716 reported incidents of Anti Semitism since Oct1 2023.

When was he going to take action...oh yeah on the 3717 incident when 16 Australians including a 10 year old child were shot dead by Muslims.

I really am not sure when you want him to be accountable.

 

[pjcrows]

3716 reported incidents of Anti Semitism since Oct1 2023.

When was he going to take action...oh yeah on the 3717 incident when 16 Australians including a 10 year old child were shot dead by Muslims.

I really am not sure when you want him to be accountable.

The government passed hate speech legislation in February this year. Could they have "done more"? Well, possibly. Specifically what? The LNP never introduced such legislation - in fact, they did what they could to avoid it.

Albanese is not responsible for two ISIS terrorists shooting Jewish people.

 

[spenze]

The government passed hate speech legislation in February this year. Could they have "done more"? Well, possibly. Specifically what? The LNP never introduced such legislation - in fact, they did what they could to avoid it.

Albanese is not responsible for two ISIS terrorists shooting Jewish people.

3716

That's the number, on his watch.

 

[pjcrows]

3716

That's the number, on his watch.

Akram was interviewed by ASIO in 2019 and 2021 for ISIS links. Why wasn't he deported? Why didn't Morrison introduce stronger legislation to deport anyone with an ISIS link? What about Foreign Affairs Minister Payne? I mean, ISIS are antisemitic, surely they knew that it would've definitely led to the shooting of Jews in Bondi? Blood on their hands.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Your ability to jump to conclusions, change what was said and not be able to join the dots when something is written is impressive. If you can’t figure it out what I was referring to, I’m not going to help you out pal. I have no interest in discussing anything further with you. It’s a complete waste of time. Enjoy your cult!

So basically you’ve got nothing..

WTF am I meant to try and work out what deliusional shite you are dribbling?..

You made a claim that this “Left” is killing people..

But when asked cant back up your statement.

Piss weak.

 

[Bearded Clam]

What I don’t understand is the lefties on here actually dragging what’s happening in the Middle East to this discussion.

You’ve got Islamic terrorists killing Australians, that’s it. The discussion should be “****ing evil campaigners”, not “but hey, what about Israel”.

Geez.. I dont know george.. Maybe, just maybe its because this environment of antisemitism and islamaphobia is all linked back to the destablisation of peace this israel/palestine conflict is causing nit just in Gaza but throughout the world?..