Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[Geelong_Sicko]

Ha, they weren't merely RWNJs but RWFWs! I'd have to say I agree.

 

[Festerz]

be interesting to find out who organised this memorial?

it looks increasingly like a skynews town hall .... curated audience and all

The AJA postings make it clear that much of the crowd response it was pre-organised for political effect. And started by David Ossip who clearly has Liberal pre-selection on his mind.

If I was a family member or friend of one of those murdered last Sunday I would be outraged and angry that their deaths has been used as a political platform.

 

[Carringbush2010]

And?

You're missing the point. Maybe you've not been following the thread.

A sneering post was made about fairytales and embarrassing denial from lefties, supposedly that we can't acknowledge that Islamic extremism/terrorism exists in Australia.

This is a lie. I then made, again, the actual point some of us have been making. Given some in this thread do want to berate and stigmatise the Muslim community.

And I haven't suggested otherwise, I just stated that the post you replied to didn't infer that.

No problem, carry on.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Didn't his father have the firearms?

Don't know, not the point though is it.

 

[Markfs]

interesting comment "Albo is done" by Avi yemini, who is described as an israeli australian commentator....my dad would probably describe that description as a bob each way...

Interesting to read about Avi's history. I was particularly interested that he feels like he has to take bodyguards with him when he goes to pro-palestinian rallies....

‘No Place for Jews Here’: Correspondent Avi Yemini’s Warning for Australia - The Media Line

Editor’s Note: The Media Line spoke with two […]

themedialine.org

 

[Markfs]

The tweet by Sandra K Eckersley reminded me of Pontius Pilate washing his hands....

 

[ferball]

Don't know, not the point though is it.

What is the point?

Your first half page rant named neo-liberalism, which is an abomination but isn't really responsible for this except in a very loose way (ie neo liberalism vaguely allowed neo cons to drive the invasion of Iraq which led to this shit.)

Then you typed this:

We treat people who hate with 'you have rights even though we know you hate, so we'll wait til you do something before we do anything'
...
Our liberal democratic society seems to treat the symptoms after the fact, rather than address the causes. Leniency has increased to a point of anarchy.

Everyone has rights including people who hate. It seems that you are saying people "something should be done about people" before they've done anything. So what should be done and how do you protect democratic values like guilty until the mob relaxes innocent until proven guilty? Its a fundamental democratic principle that we treat symptoms after the fact because until a crime is committed "the fact" doesn't exist.

You then said wtte of "How come the guy on an ISIS watch list was allowed to get guns?" and I responded by saying that I think it was his dad who got the guns and that afaik he wasn't on a watch list. You said that wasn't the point? What is the point then?

You also said this:

Burgess the head of Asio has admitted that Asio knew, since 2019, that one of the perpetrators had ties or sympathy with isis. (correct me if wrong or supply a more detailed position).

Even if there are no 'laws' to, for want of a better term 'contain' or 'not allow' this person to committ this heinous act. How has been able to come to pass even with the intel Asio had?

There is a bit of truth in this comment to. That's worth acknowledging.

If that was your point I tend to agree. It seems it was a massive **** up.

 

[Hoop1888]

interesting comment "Albo is done" by Avi yemini, who is described as an israeli australian commentator....my dad would probably describe that description as a bob each way...

Interesting to read about Avi's history. I was particularly interested that he feels like he has to take bodyguards with him when he goes to pro-palestinian rallies....

‘No Place for Jews Here’: Correspondent Avi Yemini’s Warning for Australia - The Media Line

Editor’s Note: The Media Line spoke with two […]

themedialine.org

You can nearly narrate word for word what a lot of these "commentators" say at this point. The 'there's more Muslims here than Jews' line is getting a bit stale now, as is the other insinuation that Australians tolerate Muslims more than Jews.

 

[ferball]

interesting comment "Albo is done" by Avi yemini, who is described as an israeli australian commentator....my dad would probably describe that description as a bob each way...

Interesting to read about Avi's history. I was particularly interested that he feels like he has to take bodyguards with him when he goes to pro-palestinian rallies....

‘No Place for Jews Here’: Correspondent Avi Yemini’s Warning for Australia - The Media Line

Editor’s Note: The Media Line spoke with two […]

themedialine.org

I might be wrong but I think he once bragged about shooting Palestinian kids. (He served in the IDF along the Gaza border.)

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

another excellent piece by amy.

Our hearts are shattered – and some have broken them further

There is no going back to where we were before December 14. But a social contract Australians relied on has been destroyed by the Coalition.

www.thenewdaily.com.au

Superb moral clarity.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

This poster is upset with my referencing the Jewish Council of Australia - seemly because they have a political perspective on Jewish matters that differs with theirs:


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They didn't have the courage to post their comment in this thread so resorted to a PM. I suspect they are a shadow account of a certain poster in this thread and have blocked them and will make my response public to all.

The Jewish Council of Australia is a well respected independent progressive coalition of Jewish academics, lawyers and writers.

What makes them different from the politically active zionist groups that currently dominates conservative political commentary around what it means to be Jewish is that they provide a distinct and rational facts-based voice of Australian Jews that supports Palestinian rights and justice while opposing antisemitism and racism.

The JCA aim to counter the narrative that all Australian Jews support Israel's policies by offering expert commentary on human rights, challenging politicised definitions of antisemitism, and advocating for freedom, equality, and Palestinian liberation.

Of course they are not the ultimate truth of all things Jewish and of course their perspectives are open to challenge. But imho they are a voice that should be listened to by anyone in power who wants to get a full understanding of the broad perspective of the perspectives of Australian jews rather than solely listening to the shrill voice of a the politically charged Australian Jewish Association who have a close working relationship with the Murdoch tabloid press and Sky News.

For the record I am not a Jew and have never been a member of any political party. But I am keenly interested in this matter because I can see it is part of the damaging polarising process of current political discourse that has the will dominate national policy debate for years to come. And I get pretty annoyed when any organisation or individual tries to shut down debate because they think there is only one perspective or opinion that matters.

/rant

The JCA have some very impressive thinkers in their ranks. Sarah Schwartz is an inspiration.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The Federal Court found that Besanko had applied an approriate test for his finding on the truth defence. The High Court ducked for cover. Losing a defamation case is bad enough but an SAS Afghanistan VC winner deserves greater respect than a careless accusastion of criminnal behaviour.

LOL I'm buying shares in tinfoil companies if that's what people think.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I'm just staggered that the thinking of these Jewish representatives here.

HTF do they imagine playing overt malicious targeted and divisive party politics over a tragedy is going to help combat anti-semitism in Australia?

Jeez you'd think now of all times they'd be trying to keep the majority of decent Australians, Jewish and Gentile, on their side.

 

[RubyLovesTheDees]

Wait, so now you're telling them how to feel?

 

[Markfs]

I might be wrong but I think he once bragged about shooting Palestinian kids. (He served in the IDF along the Gaza border.)

so he wasnt going to the pro-palestinian rally to support the palestinian cause???? shock horror....

 

[Markfs]

Jeez you'd think now of all times they'd be trying to keep the majority of decent Australians, Jewish and Gentile, on their side.

stupid people do stupid things....i know the puppet masters (ISIS) want to sow division in the West, but the two brainless idiots did more for the israeli cause than Mr. Yemini serving on the gaza front line.

Generally the jewish side of things have impeccable strategies and play the victim card perfectly, but emotion has probably got the best of them.

 

[ferball]

The JCA have some very impressive thinkers in their ranks. Sarah Schwartz is an inspiration.

Might even be some Big Footy posters in there somewhere.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

be interesting to find out who organised this memorial?

it looks increasingly like a skynews town hall .... curated audience and all

So the Jewish community is not capable of organising an event like this? They would have had assistance from the NSW government but the agenda was clearly theirs.

By the way, did the ABC televise it?

 

[Markfs]

There's a fairly recent "town hall" as my american friends would say, involving an interview by Norman Finkelstein

Might even be some Big Footy posters in there somewhere.

I think BF looms large in israeli hasbara formulation....my sources say that you've been mentioned in meetings.

 

[ferball]

I think BF looms large in israeli hasbara formulation....my sources say that you've been mentioned in meetings.

The JCA isn't a hasbara organisation. Its the opposite.

 

[1990crow]

The ultimate irony of those who believe, and what religion is supposed to be about - caring for others, communion (it's pretty much in the name..), doing good etc is that conservatism, and especially the right as it currently exists - do not represent those values, enact revenge and hatred at others not responsible or guilty for their own selfish, evil interest.

I can't be more angry with what the right have done since this massacre.
If you peddle the untruths you deserve to go to hell.

 

[Sphynx]

The AJA postings make it clear that much of the crowd response it was pre-organised for political effect. And started by David Ossip who clearly has Liberal pre-selection on his mind.

If I was a family member or friend of one of those murdered last Sunday I would be outraged and angry that their deaths has been used as a political platform.

The JCA are a far left organization.

You can’t use their opinion as gospel and claim people are simply disagreeing with them on political grounds and then disregard sections of the same community because their messages are aligning with the right side of politics and you don’t like what they are saying…

Both have something to say and worth listening to atm imo. I enjoy Sarah’s opinion, I’m also not dismissing angry members of their community because they seem to have sided with the LNP over the ALP.

Neither speak for their entire community and both are absolutely biased.

 

[Sphynx]

The ultimate irony of those who believe, and what religion is supposed to be about - caring for others, communion (it's pretty much in the name..), doing good etc is that conservatism, and especially the right as it currently exists - do not represent those values, enact revenge and hatred at others not responsible or guilty for their own selfish, evil interest.

I can't be more angry with what the right have done since this massacre.
If you peddle the untruths you deserve to go to hell.

I think you need to take a break for a while…

 

[H Dolphin]

The ultimate irony of those who believe, and what religion is supposed to be about - caring for others, communion (it's pretty much in the name..), doing good etc is that conservatism, and especially the right as it currently exists - do not represent those values, enact revenge and hatred at others not responsible or guilty for their own selfish, evil interest.

I can't be more angry with what the right have done since this massacre.
If you peddle the untruths you deserve to go to hell.

What do you say the "right have done" since the massacre ? If any have been, what untruths have been peddled and by whom ?

 

[Sphynx]

What do you say the "right have done" since the massacre ? If any have been, what untruths have been peddled and by whom ?

They’ve brainwashed the majority of the Sydney Jewish community and turned them against Albo, apparently.