Test The Ashes Third Test December 17-21 1000hrs @ The Adelaide Oval

[Mitchell Madness]

That Jamie Smith wicket really was shades of stupid, stupid, stupid from Pant last summer. Hitting them beautifully, England have momentum and are right in the match, and then just throws it away.

Everything wrong with Bazball summed up with that dismissal.

It wasn't a bazball issue. It was a mentality issue. Many, many sportspeople come up against opponents who dominate them, but get into a winning position. Psychology when on top goes from "take it easy" to "go for the kill." He got carried away, i sure as hell have seen similar with Hawthorn vs geelong over the last 20 years

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Ponting wasn't fast-tracked. He had two years of first-class cricket and 2,000+ runs in the Shield before his test debut.

And Clarke had almost five years between first-class and test debut.

Warner was fast tracked though. He'd barely played domestic cricket, scored a hundred in the t20 on debut, and they threw him into the Aussie side

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

It was pretty revealing how little Cummins asked him to bowl in the 3rd Test though when his bowling should have been critical - bowling fewer than 10 overs out of England's 100 overs faced across both innings. Cummins did ease him into the series after that though, when he realised it might have been a missed opportunity to win that close test if he wasn't so conservative in being worried about losing the game

Maybe not a metre but they were humungous no-balls (you can see on the video)
The video doesn't zoom in on the crease after ball one but you can see the location his gather step and bowling action relative to the stumps/others standing around and they're at least just as bad as the first ball

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I said what I said because I watched 4 different versions of the video today looking for something higher res and while I knew the first delivery was a no ball by about 8 inches the rest looked fine. For example the third delivery is below and part of his foot was behind the popping crease. Can show some others if you like.

 

[passmark]

Bit of an own goel, amiright? Huh huh

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

 

[grumbleguts]

Nope!

anyway, anyone who might want to explore further can have a go at this - it’s a good
listen: https://www.howiegames.com/podcast/https-hg33-projectboard-com-au-podcast-episode-16-damien-martyn/

You seem a little hard of thinking

 

[DIG]

Will be his 5th different batting position in 9 Tests if they put him to 7 for the next one.

I couldn’t care less!

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Harry Brook has all the talent in the world. Could be the next Root or Smith.

Bazball is consigning him to be the next Damien Martyn.

A bit unfair.

Martyn made one infamous dumb shot, but still had a very respectable career.

I've seen this account pop up. Says they're based in India so is it actually real or is it an Indian bot?

Hilariously delusional either way.

 

[bluespooner]

Ponting wasn't fast-tracked. He had two years of first-class cricket and 2,000+ runs in the Shield before his test debut.

And Clarke had almost five years between first-class and test debut.

Ponting was 20 and Clarke 23 when they made their Test debuts. Cooper Connolly is 22, and seems to be following a similar path to Clarke who was brought in through the one day squad.

It would be a progressive move to pick Connolly and not out of norm if he were selected for the Melbourne Test.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Webster hasn't been banging to door down has he? IIRC he's dropped off quiet a bit in recent matches.
Green's in terrible form but he only goes out if there's a better option to replace him.

Weatherold had to tear the door off it's hinges to get his current opportunity and it looks like a masterstroke.

Shield form for Webster is a bit harsh a measurement given we are 6 rounds in and he's played just the two matches.
So while some may have up to 10 hits already he's had 4.

The shield game in Hobart had 4 innings between 177 and 219 which suggests it was hard for everyone to bat on.
Admittedly he failed twice on the Junction Oval pitch that was hard to bat on 1st innings but better in the 2nd innings.

He spent the winter at Warwickshire (6 matches) in County Div 1 scoring 361 @ 45 with a century and 2 fifties. There was a game at Headingley against Yorkshire where the highest innings total was 253 and he scored a game high 85. He also accumulated 16 wickets at 25.

So I would argue that he's out of form is a take that's not overly accurate.
He had 4 half centuries (and a 39*) from 12 innings at test level which is decent for a no.7 starting his career as an allrounder.
Was good in the WTC final and good in 2/3 games in the Caribbean against WI.

 

[big_e]

Ponting was 20 and Clarke 23 when they made their Test debuts. Cooper Connolly is 22, and seems to be following a similar path to Clarke who was brought in through the one day squad.

It would be a progressive move to pick Connolly and not out of norm if he were selected for the Melbourne Test.

It would be extremely abnormal to pick a batter who has never scored a professional century.

 

[cats_09]

I'm not promoting gambling, but do love some of the stuff these guys put out there

 

[icyflakes]

I'm not promoting gambling, but do love some of the stuff these guys put out there

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This was posted earlier today - I wonder if the previous poster cut out the poster (fair enough for betting scum), or this betting company decided to just copy the joke and claim as their own.

 

[Speck]

If CA have some sense they'd be desperately looking to replace Snicko with UltraEdge for Boxing Day. What's even weirder is that they use UltraEdge in the BBL? So it theoretically couldn't be that hard to swap?

 

[Wetdog]

But old mate was arguing about pure run comparisons was he not??

Mate, you’re embarrassing yourself.

Damian Martyn was a very good player who had a very good career.

Your claim that he is a fraud because of some intangible view that he did not meet his allotted talent is stupid.

I would argue that even if he was in our top 25-50 batters over 150 years, that would still place him in the category of elite (however you choose to define it).

 

[Daka]

If CA have some sense they'd be desperately looking to replace Snicko with UltraEdge for Boxing Day. What's even weirder is that they use UltraEdge in the BBL? So it theoretically couldn't be that hard to swap?

That legit doesn't make sense...

how are using it in a domestic league but not International cricket?

 

[big_e]

If CA have some sense they'd be desperately looking to replace Snicko with UltraEdge for Boxing Day. What's even weirder is that they use UltraEdge in the BBL? So it theoretically couldn't be that hard to swap?

The technology provider is chosen by the host broadcasters, not Cricket Australia.

Fox is the host broadcaster for the Tests, and they have a contract with BBG Sports, who owns Snicko.

Channel Seven is the host broadcaster for the BBL, and they have a contract with Hawk-Eye/Sony, who owns UltraEdge.

England in talks to replace controversial Snicko with new technology for fourth Ashes Test

Cricket Australia could bring in UltraEdge technology for Melbourne’s Boxing Day Test after Snicko is blamed more bad decisions on day two in Adelaide

www.theguardian.com

 

[KBLT]

Mate, you’re embarrassing yourself.

Damian Martyn was a very good player who had a very good career.

Your claim that he is a fraud because of some intangible view that he did not meet his allotted talent is stupid.

I would argue that even if he was in our top 25-50 batters over 150 years, that would still place him in the category of elite (however you choose to define it).

At this point I think they're just arguing in bad faith.

 

[samFFC]

Duckett on last chance

I would have

Crawley
Duckett
Root (has to bat 3, bad luck)
Jacks
Brook
Stokes
Smith
Atkinson
Archer
Tongue
Bashir

Aussies
Inglis makes way for Smudge, Slug for Cummins, Murphy for Lyon

Head
Weatherald
Marnus
Smudge
Khawaja
Carey
Green
Webster
Starc
Boland
Murphy

 

[samFFC]

I think Khawaja should move to the middle order if hes gonna play, at his age it'd be better to send him out when the balls moving a little slower

Absolutely. Also offsets losing Trav in the middle order, steady head who is strong against spin as well as pace.

 

[hotchilli]

Duckett on last chance

I would have

Crawley
Duckett
Root (has to bat 3, bad luck)
Jacks
Brook
Stokes
Smith
Atkinson
Archer
Tongue
Bashir

Aussies
Inglis makes way for Smudge, Slug for Cummins, Murphy for Lyon

Head
Weatherald
Marnus
Smudge
Khawaja
Carey
Green
Webster
Starc
Boland
Murphy

Feels light on the bowling side of things. Can't see a world where we are willing to roll with Green & Webster as our fourth and fifth bowlers.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

just because its his home deck doesn't mean he is the best spinner Rocco over Murphy

I disagree. Rocco has been great, and we’re the match to be held at Perth or Brisbane I’d have him in his bowling suits faster bouncy pitches in my opinion. In Melbourne I’d have the Todd. Having said that, if any of the Todd, Rocc or Kuhnemann get a run I’ve no doubt they’ll do well.

 

[Snake Charmer]

Marto copping strays in here. Was a fantastic batter

 

[Jack Lord]

Trav
Weathers
Marnus
Smith
Green
Carey
Webster
Starc
Neser
Murphy
Boland

 

[Millky95]

The technology provider is chosen by the host broadcasters, not Cricket Australia.

Fox is the host broadcaster for the Tests, and they have a contract with BBG Sports, who owns Snicko.

Channel Seven is the host broadcaster for the BBL, and they have a contract with Hawk-Eye/Sony, who owns UltraEdge.

England in talks to replace controversial Snicko with new technology for fourth Ashes Test

Cricket Australia could bring in UltraEdge technology for Melbourne’s Boxing Day Test after Snicko is blamed more bad decisions on day two in Adelaide

www.theguardian.com

And both too cheap for hotspot