Opinion What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? - Part 2

[cblues4864]

not sure if unpopular but a lot of the great coaches were simply right place/ right time, not to discredit their achievements, i am sure they had their influence
Hard to define a great coach obviously most people will point to stats but how much of is it great list, environment and other factors going your way.

i would like to see how [PLAYERCARD]chris scott[/PLAYERCARD] would go coaching the blues in the 2010s and onwards

 

[RUNVS]

How are you honestly this thick?

Yes because come the 2000's key forwards played interchangeable roles that some would come out of the goalsquare (including Buddy), but forwards and play was more active and mobile generally, in that Buddy played a lot of his career working up the ground but running back to the goalsquare in a way that no 90s player ever did because player roles were far more stratified in the tasks they were asked to do.

As a Swans fan you surely can't have forgotten the numerous times Buddy took marks within 30m of goal. Just because he worked up the ground didn't mean he also didn't take marks in the goalsquare.

Things become different over time, gee.

So are you saying Carey never took a mark within 20 metres of the goal?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

So are you saying Carey never took a mark within 20 metres of the goal?

Is this just being argumentative for the sake of argumentative?

It's really not hard to understand

90s football: average team might take 15 marks near the goals. FF takes 10, CHF takes 5.

2000s-now football: average team might take 15 marks near the goals. Key forward that plays closer to the goals takes 8, key forward that works up the ground (Buddy Franklin,), 7.

 

[Hawksboy72]

Collingwood lacking A.Rocca in that list

brendan Ladson....shouldnt the be Rick Ladson?

 

[Cuzz09]

brendan Ladson....shouldnt the be Rick Ladson?

I thought that too

 

[Gethelred]

Richmond was still competitive at stages in the 90's (although yes, I was too young) and 2000's (not too young), however I think the industry has changed and it's becoming less viable to financially prop up clubs simply for sentimental and historical reasons. At least not to the point of having 18-19 teams.


Sure...if half the clubs folded due to financial reasons the AFL product might stink a bit but I doubt anyone would miss a team or two that much tbbh.

Someone's too young to remember Fitzroy, then.

A piece of the people I knew died. It's no small thing, losing your team.

 

[emuboy]

North Melbourne's rebuild in recent seasons (one of the slowest and least convincing I have ever seen) will fail and they will soon be overtaken by the improving Richmond and West Coast Eagles, the Kangaroos continuing to languish at or near the bottom of the ladder for years to come getting chopped up week after week.

 

[Andyy]

Someone's too young to remember Fitzroy, then.

A piece of the people I knew died. It's no small thing, losing your team.

Yeah a bit too young, born '88. Only very vague memories.

But yes, it's sad. Some other clubs have relocated with good business outcomes.

 

[RUNVS]

Yeah a bit too young, born '88. Only very vague memories.

But yes, it's sad. Some other clubs have relocated with good business outcomes.

The AFL should have either forced North to relocate or let them die. Losing teams like Fitzroy was overall good for the competition, it just did not go quite far enough as Victoria should have no more than 8 teams.

 

[Andyy]

The AFL should have either forced North to relocate or let them die. Losing teams like Fitzroy was overall good for the competition, it just did not go quite far enough as Victoria should have no more than 8 teams.

I concur.

But we have to address the feelings of people who would be upset by the relocation (Tas makes sense, tbh).

I wouldn't be upset personally. Roos + Aints to merge as Tas.

 

[sabso]

The AFL should have either forced North to relocate or let them die. Losing teams like Fitzroy was overall good for the competition, it just did not go quite far enough as Victoria should have no more than 8 teams.

All in Melbourne.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Never mentioned flags as flags is an awful way of determining how good a player is since AFL is not a one man game and who gets flags is often largely down to where a player was lucky enough to get drafted. Lockett never won a flag, but I don't think anyone is going to argue he was a worse player than Cameron Mooney.

Never mention? Thanks dad. I'll mentioned whatever the **** I want, whenever the **** I please.

Like you haven't been a great team since 2005. Almost 20 years yourself. Most of your frauds are overrated (cept Gulden). You're not a football team, you're a marketing instrument!

Am I doing it right?

North Melbourne's rebuild in recent seasons (one of the slowest and least convincing I have ever seen) will fail and they will soon be overtaken by the improving Richmond and West Coast Eagles, the Kangaroos continuing to languish at or near the bottom of the ladder for years to come getting chopped up week after week.

I concur.

But we have to address the feelings of people who would be upset by the relocation (Tas makes sense, tbh).

I wouldn't be upset personally. Roos + Aints to merge as Tas.

SOS Tiges and Saints a match made in heaven. We'll just fold, thanks.

 

[Cuzz09]

Gather Round games should all be at local grounds, no Adelaide Oval for example.... even crows, Port.

Just forgetting money for a minute

 

[Canberra Pear]

Gather Round games should all be at local grounds, no Adelaide Oval for example.... even crows, Port.

Just forgetting money for a minute

I already missed out on tickets to the games at Norwood and Lyndoch. Playing the games exclusively at small grounds would make buying tickets like the Hunger Games. Not in the fans' interest.

 

[p4p1]

not sure if unpopular but a lot of the great coaches were simply right place/ right time, not to discredit their achievements, i am sure they had their influence
Hard to define a great coach obviously most people will point to stats but how much of is it great list, environment and other factors going your way.

i would like to see how [PLAYERCARD]chris scott[/PLAYERCARD] would go coaching the blues in the 2010s and onwards

FWIW while not spoken in those words, Leigh Matthews has said similar. Basically that the coach with the best list wins more often than the best coach.

 

[p4p1]

I already missed out on tickets to the games at Norwood and Lyndoch. Playing the games exclusively at small grounds would make buying tickets like the Hunger Games. Not in the fans' interest.

I have a new reality show concept.......

 

[peetoo]

FWIW while not spoken in those words, Leigh Matthews has said similar. Basically that the coach with the best list wins more often than the best coach.

I dunno. Both lethal And fagan took lions from
Spoon to back to back in a very short time

 

[p4p1]

I dunno. Both lethal And fagan took lions from
Spoon to back to back in a very short time

I don't disagree with you at all.
I think in the sense he was talking about, it was about being the best tactical/game day coach.
I can't even remember what podcast I was listening to now, so I can't go back and check it but he did speak about the importance of the right people in off field roles and the importance of the correct support behind the coaches etc. One thing about Matthews taking on the job is that he wanted to oversee the entire football operations, Gubby Allen be signed as Football Manager and the Lions significantly increase spending on the coaching staff, medical staff, facilities and any other support staff. From what I have read, if any of those things didn't happen then he wouldn't coach.
I think that does say that he believes/knows it takes a lot more than just a great coach.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

There should be no drawn games in the AFL. Players have 5 shots per team from outside the 50. Whoever scores the most wins. Ball must travel on the full. If tied then go to sudden death.

 

[hampton]

There should be no drawn games in the AFL. Players have 5 shots per team from outside the 50. Whoever scores the most wins. Ball must travel on the full. If tied then go to sudden death.

Cause afl games should be even longer.