The Interesting Scorecard Thread

[ioppolo]

Having a look at that league, where does it fit on Pakistan's cricketing pyramid?


It looks like state owned corporations. Are the players workers or associated with the company they're playing for? How has it managed to gain FC status?

I'm just a bit curious. The achievement itself is still amazing.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Screw these pussy-ass teams with unimaginative names like the 'Stars' and the 'Kings' and the 'Giants'.

I'm supporting the "Northern Gas Pipeliners"!!

 

[sherb]

Stumbled across these two scorecards while looking up some other stuff. These are Richie Benaud's second last and last Shield matches for NSW in what was his final summer. Both were agains South Australia.

The first, SA won in Sydney by 2 wickets.

The second, NSW won in Adelaide by 6 runs.

These games were only a fortnight apart, beginning 17 January and 31 January 1964 respectively.

Take a look at Benaud's performances across these matches. Incredible. Also note the cadre of characters and cricket greats who took the field with him:

First match - https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ales-vs-south-australia-356983/full-scorecard

Second match - https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...alia-vs-new-south-wales-356986/full-scorecard

I can give you another amazing "fortnight apart" occurrence.

On 14th January, 1979, Tasmania was hosting WA in Hobart in the final of the Gillette Cup (the name of the national one-day competition at the time). Tasmania batted first and had slumped to 6-84. In strides Jack Simmons, who proceeds to put on 96 runs undefeated with Trevor Docking for the 7th wicket, Tassie ending up 6-180 - Flat Jack 55*. Tasmania then bowls WA out for 133, Simmons taking 4-17 (four of the top 5 in the batting order mind you). No prizes for guessing who MOTM was..................

This was Tasmania's maiden one-day title win.

TAS vs WA Cricket Scorecard, Final at Hobart, January 14, 1979

Live Cricket Scoreboard: Get Tasmania vs Western Australia Final, cricket scorecard, Gillette Cup (Australia) 1978/79 dated January 14, 1979.

www.espncricinfo.com

Sixteen days later, it was the 4th day of the Sheffield Shield match in Devonport, Tasmania again playing Western Australia. Tassie were set 357 to win and had slumped to 6-187. Again, in strides Jack Simmons. No further wickets were lost, Simmons and Woolley put on 172 for the 7th wicket to secure the win. Flat Jack 78*. (Poor old Roger ended up 99*).

This was Tasmania's maiden Sheffield Shield win.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/sheffield-shield-1978-79-356348/tasmania-vs-western-australia-357292/full-scorecard

So in the space of 16 days, Jack Simmons has participated in two undefeated 7th wicket partnerships totalling 268 runs, of which he has contributed 133. These partnerships led to two of the most significant wins in the state's history.

 

[big_e]

Having a look at that league, where does it fit on Pakistan's cricketing pyramid?

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It looks like state owned corporations. Are the players workers or associated with the company they're playing for? How has it managed to gain FC status?

I'm just a bit curious. The achievement itself is still amazing.

Pakistan has long had sponsored teams in their first-class competition.

 

[sherb]

Having a look at that league, where does it fit on Pakistan's cricketing pyramid?

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It looks like state owned corporations. Are the players workers or associated with the company they're playing for? How has it managed to gain FC status?

I'm just a bit curious. The achievement itself is still amazing.

Pakistan has had a long history of having f-c teams with business/corporation/government names.

Here are some of the teams from the 1975-76 season for instance:
Pakistan International Airlines
National Bank of Pakistan
Habib Bank Limited
United Bank Limited
Public Works Department
Dawood Industries
Income Tax Department
Water and Power Development Authority
Pakistan Customs
Servis Industries
Pakistan Air Force
National Bank of Pakistan
Railways

NB: Plenty of non business/government named f-c teams existed as well.

 

[big_e]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-west-indies-1975-76-62314/west-indies-vs-india-4th-test-63162/live-cricket-score

Five Indian players "absent hurt" in the second innings.

This was the first time the West Indies unleashed the four-man pace attack.

 

[big_e]

New fc record for the lowest fourth innings target defended, breaking a 231-year record

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/president-s-trophy-grade-i-2025-26-1517343/pakistan-television-vs-sui-northern-gas-pipelines-limited-15th-match-1517371/full-scorecard

Pakistan tv won setting their opponents 40 to win, the previous record was 41 in a game from 1794

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-domestic-season-1794-537114/marylebone-cricket-club-vs-oldfield-537311/full-scorecard

Interesting clarification on this:

 

[sabso]

Interesting clarification on this:

Yeah, given how long ago that other game was there probably wasn’t a concept of first class cricket back then

 

[sabso]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-west-indies-1975-76-62314/west-indies-vs-india-4th-test-63162/live-cricket-score

Five Indian players "absent hurt" in the second innings.

This was the first time the West Indies unleashed the four-man pace attack.

Bedi yanked them in protest at having to face fast bowling I’ve read.

 

[big_e]

Yeah, given how long ago that other game was there probably wasn’t a concept of first class cricket back then

The term "first class" wasn't officially used until 1895, but English cricket nerds will do anything they can to increase the number of English cricket matches that are considered first-class, based purely on vibes.

I assume there's been a push to have a large number of MCC games included because they think they are special, but who the **** is Oldfield, and why do their games get first-class status and, say, World Series Cricket games don't.

This apparent record from the 1700s would have been with underarm bowling, by the way, it's ludicrous that it's considered first-class.

 

[sabso]

The term "first class" wasn't officially used until 1895, but English cricket nerds will do anything they can to increase the number of English cricket matches that are considered first-class, based purely on vibes.

I assume there's been a push to have a large number of MCC games included because they think they are special, but who the **** is Oldfield, and why do their games get first-class status and, say, World Series Cricket games don't.

This apparent record from the 1700s would have been with underarm bowling, by the way, it's ludicrous that it's considered first-class.

There's loads of sub-village teams in the first class annals, and loads of changes to the Laws and scorecards back before the second half of the 19th century eg bowlers' credit for wickets, playing surfaces, match length. That old record is pretty piffling I agree.

I think CricketArchive maintains a list of first-class matches but I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than pay to confirm. There's also a fuzzy concept of what is and isn't a Test match historically.

This wiki article is pretty useful

Variations in published cricket statistics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ioppolo]

The Smokers vs Non Smokers
A's vs B's
Over 30s vs under 30s

Some riveting match ups considered "first class" from way back when.

 

[sherb]

The term "first class" wasn't officially used until 1895, but English cricket nerds will do anything they can to increase the number of English cricket matches that are considered first-class, based purely on vibes.

I assume there's been a push to have a large number of MCC games included because they think they are special, but who the **** is Oldfield, and why do their games get first-class status and, say, World Series Cricket games don't.

This apparent record from the 1700s would have been with underarm bowling, by the way, it's ludicrous that it's considered first-class.

I've been a member of the ACSH for a long time and I haven't part of the process of classifying matches. But I can assure you that, knowing many of the people who would have been involved in that process, that it would have been anything but "cricket nerds doing anything they can to increase the number of English cricket matches that are considered first-class, based purely on vibes".

Bear in mind that the process of classifying f-c status didn't just involve English matches anyway. It also applied to matches elsewhere in the world. Classifying matches in the UK involved pre-1895, as you say, but for matches elsewhere, including non-traditional cricket countries, this process was pre-1947, as that's when the ICC defined first-class cricket internationally. So it has been a massive, and often difficult, task. And it's still ongoing.

It has been a process which has involved an inestimable amount of work by a lot of people. Involving research, time, discussion, publications, analysis, disagreement etc. So I think your comment is pretty unfair.

As for World Series Cricket, I agree with you that those matches (SuperTests) should be first-class. But that is not something the statisticians and historians have any say in - as WSC was post-1947. So the matches are subject to official classification from the authorities - in this case it's CA, who still have their noses out of joint about WSC and refuse to give the matches in question the status they deserve.

 

[sherb]

There's loads of sub-village teams in the first class annals, and loads of changes to the Laws and scorecards back before the second half of the 19th century eg bowlers' credit for wickets, playing surfaces, match length. That old record is pretty piffling I agree.

I think CricketArchive maintains a list of first-class matches but I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than pay to confirm. There's also a fuzzy concept of what is and isn't a Test match historically.

This wiki article is pretty useful

Variations in published cricket statistics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Cricket Archive is an amazing resource, if you regularly refer to online resources for cricket stats it's well worth the money. I use it quite a bit. It is huge and covers all forms of cricket and is constantly expanding as research reveals more information.

It started out as a free resource, built by cricket statisticians. I don't know the exact circumstances of how it got to be a paid service, I have a suspicion that it got too big and costly to maintain without subscriptions. I'm a member of the ACSH and I get a 33% discount as a result (basically because it was built, and still contributed to, by ACSH members), so I think I pay around $60-$70 a year. For the amount of information I get out of it, that's a bargain.

 

[Rabish Binney]

The Smokers vs Non Smokers
A's vs B's
Over 30s vs under 30s

Some riveting match ups considered "first class" from way back when.

Gentleman VS Players..

 

[Gough]

Cricket Archive is an amazing resource, if you regularly refer to online resources for cricket stats it's well worth the money. I use it quite a bit. It is huge and covers all forms of cricket and is constantly expanding as research reveals more information.

It started out as a free resource, built by cricket statisticians. I don't know the exact circumstances of how it got to be a paid service, I have a suspicion that it got too big and costly to maintain without subscriptions. I'm a member of the ACSH and I get a 33% discount as a result (basically because it was built, and still contributed to, by ACSH members), so I think I pay around $60-$70 a year. For the amount of information I get out of it, that's a bargain.

The two volume Ray Webster and Allen Miller books on first class cricket here are a great resource but it only goes up to 1976/77.

 

[big_e]

I've been a member of the ACSH for a long time and I haven't part of the process of classifying matches. But I can assure you that, knowing many of the people who would have been involved in that process, that it would have been anything but "cricket nerds doing anything they can to increase the number of English cricket matches that are considered first-class, based purely on vibes".

Bear in mind that the process of classifying f-c status didn't just involve English matches anyway. It also applied to matches elsewhere in the world. Classifying matches in the UK involved pre-1895, as you say, but for matches elsewhere, including non-traditional cricket countries, this process was pre-1947, as that's when the ICC defined first-class cricket internationally. So it has been a massive, and often difficult, task. And it's still ongoing.

It has been a process which has involved an inestimable amount of work by a lot of people. Involving research, time, discussion, publications, analysis, disagreement etc. So I think your comment is pretty unfair.

As for World Series Cricket, I agree with you that those matches (SuperTests) should be first-class. But that is not something the statisticians and historians have any say in - as WSC was post-1947. So the matches are subject to official classification from the authorities - in this case it's CA, who still have their noses out of joint about WSC and refuse to give the matches in question the status they deserve.

Firstly, I think anyone who does this work is, by definition, a cricket nerd.

As for the vibes comment, the ACS themselves say "1772 is the year from which we have a continuous record of scores enabling a judgement to be made about whether the quality of the match and its players was, by the standards of the day, ‘first class’."

It's a judgement call, the ACS acknowledges that themselves.

(Fwiw, I actually don't think Supertests should be first-class either, on the grounds they knew they were unofficial matches at the time they signed up, but it does highlight a double-standard where some matches are ruled out forever because of a rule but the rules are fudged for other matches.)

 

[MisterMarcus]

Tassie's scorecard from yesterday in the one day cup

• Both openers got golden ducks but the team still scored 300+
• 250 of the team's runs came from only two guys.
• Only two other players cracked double figures, and nobody got more than 24.
• A 237 run partnership, but losing 10/81 either side of it.
• Being 4/293 then collapsing with 6/25 to end the innings all out.

 

[Rabish Binney]

I can give you another amazing "fortnight apart" occurrence.

On 14th January, 1979, Tasmania was hosting WA in Hobart in the final of the Gillette Cup (the name of the national one-day competition at the time). Tasmania batted first and had slumped to 6-84. In strides Jack Simmons, who proceeds to put on 96 runs undefeated with Trevor Docking for the 7th wicket, Tassie ending up 6-180 - Flat Jack 55*. Tasmania then bowls WA out for 133, Simmons taking 4-17 (four of the top 5 in the batting order mind you). No prizes for guessing who MOTM was..................

This was Tasmania's maiden one-day title win.

TAS vs WA Cricket Scorecard, Final at Hobart, January 14, 1979

Live Cricket Scoreboard: Get Tasmania vs Western Australia Final, cricket scorecard, Gillette Cup (Australia) 1978/79 dated January 14, 1979.

www.espncricinfo.com

Sixteen days later, it was the 4th day of the Sheffield Shield match in Devonport, Tasmania again playing Western Australia. Tassie were set 357 to win and had slumped to 6-187. Again, in strides Jack Simmons. No further wickets were lost, Simmons and Woolley put on 172 for the 7th wicket to secure the win. Flat Jack 78*. (Poor old Roger ended up 99*).

This was Tasmania's maiden Sheffield Shield win.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/sheffield-shield-1978-79-356348/tasmania-vs-western-australia-357292/full-scorecard

So in the space of 16 days, Jack Simmons has participated in two undefeated 7th wicket partnerships totalling 268 runs, of which he has contributed 133. These partnerships led to two of the most significant wins in the state's history.

Interesting reflecting on that scorecard Sherb:

1. Graeme Wood run out (how surprising)
2. Players that have passed on from that game - John Hampshire; Bruce Yardley; Tony Mann; Sam Gannon; Tony Benneworth.

Only seems like yesterday I was watching them on the TV.....

Jack Simmons still alive at 84...

 

[sherb]

Fair recovery by Valleys in Brisbane grade after being 7-44.

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[PhatBoy]

Need to share this on behalf of one of my mates that I grew up with literally from birth: he’s averaged over 100 this season during a late career renaissance. It’s only a country B grade comp but it’s produced some good cricketers: Grenfell that he played against produced one Henry Hunt going back about 12 years. Pretty lonely looking scorecard before he got some help from the lower order

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[PhatBoy]

Re. The above, he presented it to me via the subtle messenger ‘how’d you go on Saturday?’

 

[Cleavy]

Five wickets in five balls! New Zealander creates cricket history with absurd feat

Five wickets in five balls! New Zealander creates cricket history with absurd feat

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[sherb]

Five wickets in five balls! New Zealander creates cricket history with absurd feat

Five wickets in five balls! New Zealander creates cricket history with absurd feat

www.foxsports.com.au

The third one looked dodgy.

Still, it's in the book I guess.

 

[Black Diamond]

The third one looked dodgy.

Still, it's in the book I guess.

Two of Mike Proctor's 4 in 5 balls were LBW to right handers while bowling right-arm over the wicket.