Review Match Simulation Pies v GWS Friday 20 Feb 11.00am Bundoora

[SchuPie]

You’ve got a good memory if you can remember the one mark he took and who he took it against.

I can't remember why I do
(Top of the goal square)
Dermie was all about (something like) "That's all you need - just signs..."

Edit: Found it!

 

[Gone Critical]

Three posts all referencing first two seasons.

As I explained i have been banging on about the 3 years for ages. In this thread, because I spoke about West who is entering his 2nd year I produced some data based around 2 years. Doesnt really matter it shows the same thing. I am not trying for some slight of hand here.

Anyway your contention is that there are so many examples of exceptions to this rule "it isn't funny". So let's here about them

 

[lethalburns]

I can't remember why I do
(Top of the goal square)
Dermie was all about (something like) "That's all you need - just signs..."

Edit: Found it!

I was at that game.

What they didn't talk about in that passage of play was Degoey fending off Mitchell and making him look second rate.

I actually turned to the person I was with and said "we're going to win a premiership with that kid".

 

[Vicky Park]

I can't remember why I do
(Top of the goal square)
Dermie was all about (something like) "That's all you need - just signs..."

Edit: Found it!

Hard not to get excited about that.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Corey flipping Gault

Much like Billy "the next Wayne Carey" Morrison

 

[manicpie]

Corey flipping Gault

Much like Billy "the next Wayne Carey" Morrison

Don't forget Brent "Ironbar" Tuckey. I waited so patiently for him to come on.

 

[manicpie]

Hard not to get excited about that.

We hung on to that for years. Great highlight though

 

[Seedsfan]

As I explained i have been banging on about the 3 years for ages. In this thread, because I spoke about West who is entering his 2nd year I produced some data based around 2 years. Doesnt really matter it shows the same thing. I am not trying for some slight of hand here.

Anyway your contention is that there are so many examples of exceptions to this rule "it isn't funny". So let's here about them

Look at the State game multiple players Stewart, Collins, Cameron, Broad, Humphries, Barrass and Gawn. None of them were at 20 by the end of their third year of eligibility. That’s just one game and all players that have gotten to a decent level

 

[Gone Critical]

Look at the State game multiple players Stewart, Collins, Cameron, Broad, Humphries, Barrass and Gawn. None of them were at 20 by the end of their third year of eligibility. That’s just one game and all players that have gotten to a decent level

We are getting bogged down here and maybe its best to agree to disagree. You may have missed it but the 20 game 3 year rule I feel strongest about is for small and mediums. I have said often it doesn't apply to rucks . Gawn and Cameron. Stewart (60+) and Broad (30) were mature age so don't count but did play over 20 games in their 1st 3 seasons. Humphries is a medium but a mature age recruit and has played 36 games in his 2 seasons so far so also doesn't count. Collins also mature age tall with a complicated history being delisted after 2 seasons so also isn't part.of it

Barrass, and he was in the group from the 2015 draft I listed last night, didn't get to 20 games but his 1st 1st season and half of his 3rd season were written off with injury. He got to 13 games but would have passed 20 if fully fit.

Find me small mediums from the draft who have injury free 1st 3 years. Rule still applies pretty well to talls. Not rucks.

 

[Harry O]

We are getting bogged down here and maybe its best to agree to disagree. You may have missed it but the 20 game 3 year rule I feel strongest about is for small and mediums. I have said often it doesn't apply to rucks . Gawn and Cameron. Stewart (60+) and Broad (30) were mature age so don't count but did play over 20 games in their 1st 3 seasons. Humphries is a medium but a mature age recruit and has played 36 games in his 2 seasons so far so also doesn't count. Collins also mature age tall with a complicated history being delisted after 2 seasons so also isn't part.of it

Barrass, and he was in the group from the 2015 draft I listed last night, didn't get to 20 games but his 1st 1st season and half of his 3rd season were written off with injury. He got to 13 games but would have passed 20 if fully fit.

Find me small mediums from the draft who have injury free 1st 3 years. Rule still applies pretty well to talls. Not rucks.

I prefer to judge players on their capabilities rather than some crude criteria

 

[TradeDraft]

We are getting bogged down here and maybe its best to agree to disagree. You may have missed it but the 20 game 3 year rule I feel strongest about is for small and mediums. I have said often it doesn't apply to rucks . Gawn and Cameron. Stewart (60+) and Broad (30) were mature age so don't count but did play over 20 games in their 1st 3 seasons. Humphries is a medium but a mature age recruit and has played 36 games in his 2 seasons so far so also doesn't count. Collins also mature age tall with a complicated history being delisted after 2 seasons so also isn't part.of it

Barrass, and he was in the group from the 2015 draft I listed last night, didn't get to 20 games but his 1st 1st season and half of his 3rd season were written off with injury. He got to 13 games but would have passed 20 if fully fit.

Find me small mediums from the draft who have injury free 1st 3 years. Rule still applies pretty well to talls. Not rucks.

and No One is the Exact Same Either so can't be 100% sure

 

[Seedsfan]

We are getting bogged down here and maybe its best to agree to disagree. You may have missed it but the 20 game 3 year rule I feel strongest about is for small and mediums. I have said often it doesn't apply to rucks . Gawn and Cameron. Stewart (60+) and Broad (30) were mature age so don't count but did play over 20 games in their 1st 3 seasons. Humphries is a medium but a mature age recruit and has played 36 games in his 2 seasons so far so also doesn't count. Collins also mature age tall with a complicated history being delisted after 2 seasons so also isn't part.of it

Barrass, and he was in the group from the 2015 draft I listed last night, didn't get to 20 games but his 1st 1st season and half of his 3rd season were written off with injury. He got to 13 games but would have passed 20 if fully fit.

Find me small mediums from the draft who have injury free 1st 3 years. Rule still applies pretty well to talls. Not rucks.

You were bringing this up to talk about Charlie West and then you say give me small mediums. Lol

 

[manicpie]

We are getting bogged down here and maybe its best to agree to disagree. You may have missed it but the 20 game 3 year rule I feel strongest about is for small and mediums. I have said often it doesn't apply to rucks . Gawn and Cameron. Stewart (60+) and Broad (30) were mature age so don't count but did play over 20 games in their 1st 3 seasons. Humphries is a medium but a mature age recruit and has played 36 games in his 2 seasons so far so also doesn't count. Collins also mature age tall with a complicated history being delisted after 2 seasons so also isn't part.of it

Barrass, and he was in the group from the 2015 draft I listed last night, didn't get to 20 games but his 1st 1st season and half of his 3rd season were written off with injury. He got to 13 games but would have passed 20 if fully fit.

Find me small mediums from the draft who have injury free 1st 3 years. Rule still applies pretty well to talls. Not rucks.

The numbers don't lie. There will always be a few exceptions, that's why sides even bother picking players later in the draft. The smaller players are always a risk. The smaller guys need to have a point of difference. The lower leagues are full of smaller guys for a reason. Size does matter in the AFL

 

[Brad Goodman]

Given our key forward stocks, Charlie West really should be senior regular by the end of the year - barring injury of course.

If he’s not you’d have to be reasonably sceptical that he’s gonna make it.

 

[sr36]

and No One is the Exact Same Either so can't be 100% sure

It's interesting though in terms of discussions about being patient with the youngsters. Personally, I'd churn through them quicker than the club does.

 

[Finnishpie]

McCreery looks primed
Steene Hayes Cochran Parker Steele Allan Anderson and Harrison all showed signs

Yep, showed signs.

I guess I’m just more comparing them to, say, the Lion’s under 25s, or the Gold Coast’s. Ours have showed signs. Theirs are legit A-graders. Just thinking of the future.

 

[Finnishpie]

I won’t be based something like that on a Match Simulation Game

Thanks TD. So as I said, ON TODAY’S SHOWING WHO?

 

[Finnishpie]

I expect we'll see Beau in the midfield out of necessity. It'll be silly having a player with the one attribute we lack, speed, standing in the forward line as our mids chase tail all game.

Alternating with De Goey.

 

[No SPIN]

We are getting bogged down here and maybe its best to agree to disagree. You may have missed it but the 20 game 3 year rule I feel strongest about is for small and mediums. I have said often it doesn't apply to rucks . Gawn and Cameron. Stewart (60+) and Broad (30) were mature age so don't count but did play over 20 games in their 1st 3 seasons. Humphries is a medium but a mature age recruit and has played 36 games in his 2 seasons so far so also doesn't count. Collins also mature age tall with a complicated history being delisted after 2 seasons so also isn't part.of it

Barrass, and he was in the group from the 2015 draft I listed last night, didn't get to 20 games but his 1st 1st season and half of his 3rd season were written off with injury. He got to 13 games but would have passed 20 if fully fit.

Find me small mediums from the draft who have injury free 1st 3 years. Rule still applies pretty well to talls. Not rucks.

West as a TALL doesn’t fit your 2/3 season theory - so I think that your original premise he must impact this season seems a little disingenuous.

I have no problem with him building in the VFL all year, he has plenty of time to prove himself.

 

[No SPIN]

Given our key forward stocks, Charlie West really should be senior regular by the end of the year - barring injury of course.

If he’s not you’d have to be reasonably sceptical that he’s gonna make it.

Why?

 

[No SPIN]

It's interesting though in terms of discussions about being patient with the youngsters. Personally, I'd churn through them quicker than the club does.

One size doesn’t fit all - players develop at different rates. I would only cut earlier if deficiencies weren’t improving or player had attitude issues.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Given our key forward stocks, Charlie West really should be senior regular by the end of the year - barring injury of course.

If he’s not you’d have to be reasonably sceptical that he’s gonna make it.

Huh?

If McStay, Buller and Membrey are all fit and healthy, you expect Charlie West to make his way into the side?

Really?

That seems awfully optimistic. Unless they plan on "managing" or resting McStay and Membrey, I don't see Westy getting games unless there's injuries.

Bear in mind I say this as someone who absolutely adores this kid already and genuinely wants him in the starting 18.

But this is second season coming off a first season that he was injured for half of it. Never mind the age old adage of "big guys take time".

 

[stormskye]

Huh?

If McStay, Buller and Membrey are all fit and healthy, you expect Charlie West to make his way into the side?

Really?

That seems awfully optimistic. Unless they plan on "managing" or resting McStay and Membrey, I don't see Westy getting games unless there's injuries.

Bear in mind I say this as someone who absolutely adores this kid already and genuinely wants him in the starting 18.

But this is second season coming off a first season that he was injured for half of it. Never mind the age old adage of "big guys take time".

Ty Gallop, pick 42 in wests draft played finals for Brisbane, kicked 3 against us in the prelim. Same size as West.

I don’t know think it’s unrealistic at all to expect him to be pushing for playing regular games.

 

[ksardog]

Ty Gallop, pick 42 in wests draft played finals for Brisbane, kicked 3 against us in the prelim. Same size as West.

I don’t know think it’s unrealistic at all to expect him to be pushing for playing regular games.

had to look that up, yes he is the same height as Charlie West, must have long limbs, because he looks taller
West looks like a big midfielder while Gallop looks a genuine key forward size

 

[stormskye]

had to look that up, yes he is the same height as Charlie West, must have long limbs, because he looks taller
West looks like a big midfielder while Gallop looks a genuine key forward size

COD was talking about big guys taking time. If Gallop is bigger then he should take longer was my point. We’d have one of the weakest KPF lines ups in the comp, no reason west can’t push onto it if he’s good enough. Like you said he’s not some 200+ skinny rake like McCarthy.

I have high hopes for him after his vfl games