15.4%: Why North should receive expansion-style concessions

[AstonSouffle]

Yeah nah I think premierships are a better measure of success thanks.

Clubs that win premierships and don't drain money from others would be ideal, if they win a premiership but can't sustain themselves (or their fans don't even watch them lol) then their success is off the back of other clubs not just their own (this is a league wide thing, not a Vic bias mumbo jumbo).

 

[Makeshift Park]

North have been irrelevant since Wayne Carey left and besides a few thousand die hards the rest of the comp isnt at all worried about them..

I must have missed the sustained run of success the Blues have had sometime in the past 20 years that left the rest of the competition quaking in its boots.

a few cheerleaders in the media with Brayshaw, Damian Barrett & David King

I challenge you to find a single positive thing he's written about North in the past decade. He's more predictably critical of North than any other club nowadays.

 

[AstonSouffle]

The gameday attendance for matches involving either of our two teams in states like NSW and South Australia is basically identical in recent years.

Then that's commentary on NSW teams and Adelaide not ours as we are the away teams no? I'm talking about home attendance against an interstate side being the measure.

It's also why when people were like Freo's best ever crowd at Optus was against West Coast... duh of course it was and I don't count that one.

 

[north_lad]

I’m supportive of concessions for clubs that actually contribute to the sport, such as West Coast.

North made their own bed, now they can sleep in it. And if they eventually go the way of Fitzroy then so be it. Personally, I think their exit from the AFL is long overdue

Yeah I guess Carlton contribute plenty of laughs

 

[Toump Ass]

Clubs that win premierships and don't drain money from others would be ideal, if they win a premiership but can't sustain themselves (or their fans don't even watch them lol) then their success is off the back of other clubs not just their own (this is a league wide thing, not a Vic bias mumbo jumbo).

I actually have no idea what you're talking about here.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I must have missed the sustained run of success the Blues have had sometime in the past 20 years that left the rest of the competition quaking in its boots.


I challenge you to find a single positive thing he's written about North in the past decade. He's more predictably critical of North than any other club nowadays.

No one is more cirtical of their club and the underperformance the past 20 years than me... Yet despite Carlton being so bad for so long, we have 100k members and sit only behind Collingwood for TV ratings.. There is a reason the networks demand to schedule us on Thursdays and Friday nights, and every time we lose SEN and all the TV shows line up to talk about Carlton.. I can guarantee you that had Carlton had the results North has had the past 3 season there is zero chance Clarko would be still in a job, becuase the pressure from the media, and the fans would have been through the roof.. But North, dont register and everyone just gives them a free pass because meh..

Sure Barrett doesnt write positive articles about North, they are mostly negative but he still writes them.. if it wasn't for him doing it no one else would bother.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Then that's commentary on NSW teams and Adelaide not ours as we are the away teams no? I'm talking about home attendance against an interstate side being the measure.

Its not a reflection on the NSW and SA teams because it shows the amount of our respective fanbase that shows up in interstate venues is basically the same.

 

[north_lad]

Clubs that win premierships and don't drain money from others would be ideal, if they win a premiership but can't sustain themselves (or their fans don't even watch them lol) then their success is off the back of other clubs not just their own (this is a league wide thing, not a Vic bias mumbo jumbo).

Of course you don't rate premierships without qualifiers as the mark of success, you support ****ing Fremantle

 

[Toump Ass]

Yeah I guess Carlton contribute plenty of laughs

Carlton are a genuine embarrassment on the league.

Big 4 club with an elite training base, highest membership, flexible salary cap, fixturing advantages, constant prime time television despite their awful record, they've capitalised on free agency, regularly trade and recruit A grade players, and yet they've still been less successful than North in my lifetime. Absolutely ****ing useless club.

 

[AstonSouffle]

Of course you don't rate premierships without qualifiers as the mark of success, you support ****ing Fremantle

I actually have no idea what you're talking about here.

Clubs that win premierships and without handouts are truly successful, all else aren't real winners tbh. Why do I bring home attendance? Because if they're not winning at least they're not taking away from the game itself by existing.

So North and Melbourne in particularly didn't do it on their own, they had help.

So long live the likes of Essendon, Hawthorn, West Coast and Carlton even if they aren't winning.

 

[north_lad]

Clubs that win premierships and without handouts are truly successful, all else aren't real winners tbh. Why do I bring home attendance? Because if they're not winning at least they're not taking away from the game itself by existing.

So North and Melbourne in particularly didn't do it on their own, they had help.

So long live the likes of Essendon, Hawthorn, West Coast and Carlton even if they aren't winning.

hahahaha what's it like being ****ing stupid

 

[north_lad]

Carlton are a genuine embarrassment on the league.

Big 4 club with an elite training base, highest membership, flexible salary cap, fixturing advantages, constant prime time television despite their awful record, they've capitalised on free agency, regularly trade and recruit A grade players, and yet they've still been less successful than North in my lifetime. Absolutely ****ing useless club.

Dunno why Carlton flogs are in here keen to get rid of us, we're one of very few clubs they can actually thumb their noses at

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We don't need MORE compromising. By all means add extra money in the soft cap, but North have PLENTY of top tier talent. I like what they did with WCE this year, expanded the rookie list, that could be an option.

 

[WOFTAMWarrior]

The biggest issue for North (and the AFL) is that no one cares.. North have been irrelevant since Wayne Carey left and besides a few thousand die hards the rest of the comp isnt at all worried about them.. The only reason its an issue is because with West Coast also being uncompetitive it has made the fixture a mess with so many lopsided games. Its catchment of supporter groups are transient residents with no alignment to the city, and no other growth areas to try and pull new supporters. Its fortunate that the club have a few cheerleaders in the media with Brayshaw, Damian Barrett & David King otherwise they would never be spoken about.

In a game with too many teams in the one city, and a weakening talent pool if you were to look at it objectively it makes little sense to keep bankrolling Norths existence.

How is the talent pool weakening when there is more people playing the game and more talent available in the Northern States as long as the traditional States or talent?

 

[Makeshift Park]

I can guarantee you that had Carlton had the results North has had the past 3 season there is zero chance Clarko would be still in a job, becuase the pressure from the media, and the fans would have been through the roof..

Sounds like having a fanbase filled with conceited and bitchy bullies isn't all its cracked up to be.

Sure Barrett doesnt write positive articles about North, they are mostly negative but he still writes them.. if it wasn't for him doing it no one else would bother.

We must have a different definition of what "cheerleading" means then.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

How is the talent pool weakening when there is more people playing the game and more talent available in the Northern States as long as the traditional States or talent?

Fair point but the drop off in Vic (which gets hidden by the girls playing) counters the growth in QLD. Population growth in Vic the last 20 years has come from Chinese and now Indians, both communities who have failed to embrace AFL which is unlike the other migrant groups before them.

 

[Toump Ass]

Clubs that win premierships and without handouts are truly successful, all else aren't real winners tbh. Why do I bring home attendance? Because if they're not winning at least they're not taking away from the game itself by existing.

So North and Melbourne in particularly didn't do it on their own, they had help.

So long live the likes of Essendon, Hawthorn, West Coast and Carlton even if they aren't winning.

What a moronic post.

Good luck winning the attendance premiership next year

 

[daniel_4tw]

It always comes back to not being able to trade players without consent.

How can North improve when their best players get pinched (JHF) and they can’t attract top talent without paying huge overs. A player would take a pay cut to play for Geelong/Collingwood etc but North can’t even get interest without paying huge overs (and it never gets that far).

It’s not really an even salary cap in its current state where you can only get players that say they want to play for you, and who is going to choose a small, losing team, when there’s 9 other teams in the state to choose.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It always comes back to not being able to trade players without consent.

How can North improve when their best players get pinched (JHF) and they can’t attract top talent without paying huge overs. A player would take a pay cut to play for Geelong/Collingwood etc but North can’t even get interest without paying huge overs (and it never gets that far).

It’s not really an even salary cap in its current state where you can only get players that say they want to play for you, and who is going to choose a small, losing team, when there’s 9 other teams in the state to choose.

Sure but did they research the JHF situation enough? Plenty of clubs don’t take players that are likely to walk out. GWS didn’t touch Wingard for this reason.

 

[daniel_4tw]

Sure but did they research the JHF situation enough? Plenty of clubs don’t take players that are likely to walk out. GWS didn’t touch Wingard for this reason.

So limit the talent even more?

Can’t get FAs because no one will choose you.
Can’t get top F/S
Can’t get top Academy players
Now can’t select untied no allegiance top prospects because they might walk out

I get that’s the reality. But also explains why rebuilds take so long and in current climate may never end.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Sure but did they research the JHF situation enough? Plenty of clubs don’t take players that are likely to walk out. GWS didn’t touch Wingard for this reason.

They got Wardlaw & Sheezel its fair compensation, if they didnt take JHF Daicos & Darcy were tied through JHF and they pick between Finn Callahan, Mac Andrews or Josh Rachele..

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

So limit the talent even more?

Can’t get FAs because no one will choose you.
Can’t get top F/S
Can’t get top Academy players
Now can’t select untied no allegiance top prospects because they might walk out

I get that’s the reality. But also explains why rebuilds take so long and in current climate may never end.

AFL just need to change the draft so that the first 20 picks go to the sides that do not make finals, they could make it a lottery where bottom sides get weighted advantage like they do in NBA.

 

[voorhees]

We don't need MORE compromising. By all means add extra money in the soft cap, but North have PLENTY of top tier talent. I like what they did with WCE this year, expanded the rookie list, that could be an option.

agree... if need be, let it be a expanded rookie list.
apart from that, screw them.
each club lives and dies by there own decisions and calls.

 

[Big Animal]

their women are almost unbeatable so maybe they should just start listening to the staff in their women's programme on how to build a list to contend rather than worry about QLD style advantages.

 

[Mat Mann]

South Melbourne say hello.

You might want to read up on your history