15th in Contested Possession?

[JunX]

Are we really 15th? I thought we were better than that...

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/sport/afl/story/0,26547,25982938-5016212,00.html

According to pro-stats.com.au we are a hell of a lot better than 15th...

 

[Macca19]

Pro-Stats arent the official stats provider of the AFL and have a different definition of what a contested possession is.

Champion Data say its a hardball get, looseball get, contested mark or free for.

I dont think the stat really means much to be honest. Adelaide to me play a pretty uncontested style, swap play a lot to free players on the opposite sides of the ground etc. Lack of contested possession does not equal soft. I think it just means you have a gameplan that allows your players to get space and use the ball properly.

 

[Ferris_rules]

But I think that stat reflects our style of play rather than our effort per se.

ie. Our game style that is "keepings off" implies there would be a reduced number of contested football hence it doesnt necessarily surprise me!?

lol I have incredibly been wrong before, lol.

 

[jo172]

5th on the ladder is the only ranking that fusses me for the moment

 

[magtrev]

Yep, we get no love from the umps, make less mistakes by foot than anyone else (ie less contests) which means we always do poorly in the champion data stat. Like Ben Hart said, by their internal metrics, the crows measure up quite well in contested ball.

 

[KUNG FU]

Only has meaning as a team stat when you compare it the opposition's totals.

 

[arrowman]

AFAIK the stat the club is concerned with is the differential in contested possies vs the opposition, not the absolute number.

(Making up some silly numbers to emphasise the point)

If your team plays a bunch of free-flowing games where everyone is hitting targets, the count might be 5-2 which is good (+3) but would in absolute numbers compare poorly to a team that plays lots of tight games where the count is more like 18-20. So that second team is going to top the ladder for contested possies, even though they are losing the count in each game. They might also be bottom of the (real) ladder.

Seems to me that the absolute contested possie count is not comparing apples with apples and is bascially meaningless as a way of compring teams - except, I suppose, as an indicator of how their games tend to be played - as opposed to how "well" the team is performing.

 

[arrowman]

Champion Data say its a hardball get, looseball get, contested mark or free for.

OK, so if your mob spends the day missing targets but picking up the trash by running on to it, you get an increase in your contested possie count. Even in there's no opposition player within contesting range. Right, then.

I'm losing more and more faith in this stat as we speak.

 

[crowsup]

Champion Data say its a hardball get, looseball get, contested mark or free for.

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Just the high-lighted part will never get us high in the contested possies.

If the umpires gave us the 3-4 frees extra that we are entitled to every game, we would be a lot higher than we are now.

 

[marvin]

If you go by the pro-stats figures, we're not 15th, we're 8th. St Kilda are 5th, Geelong 6th, WB equal 8th and Collingwood 16th.

On a differential basis, we're mid table, either by pro-stats, or presumably from Champion data (even the Tiser story admits that).

But that doesn't make a story angle, does it......

You can tell Port's in trouble. Rooch is heading towards super-snide mode, and setting up his straw men for when/if Adelaide don't come away with a premiership.

 

[Crowfoot]

You can tell Port's in trouble. Rooch is heading towards super-snide mode, and setting up his straw men for when/if Adelaide don't come away with a premiership.

Its about time that Crows fans petitioned the Advertiser to stop Nosferatu from writing his Anti-Crow propaganda.

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[smoovy]

What I find interesting about those stats is that Adelaide and St Kilda are 15th and 16th respectively for rebounding out of the defensive 50. Which confirms my theory that once you get through that zone it is easy to score.

 

[NTRabbit]

What I find interesting about those stats is that Adelaide and St Kilda are 15th and 16th respectively for rebounding out of the defensive 50. Which confirms my theory that once you get through that zone it is easy to score.

Or it might confirm the fact that us and the Saints concede sweet bugger all inside 50's, therefore there really aren't that many to rebound anyway.

 

[Geoffa32]

Anyone see the mark where J Brown had to fight his way from two Port opponents then take a sliding chest mark a split second later at Footy Park this year. That went down as an uncontested mark.

Sometimes an uncontested posession means you were first to the ball.

But when you look at the way we play we do look for loose man more often than not. Last week the way we chipped the ball around outside the 50 metre arc, like passing around the three point line in B-Ball, shows that.

Stats nowdays mean nothing without watching the team play.

 

[Sekaj]

What I find interesting about those stats is that Adelaide and St Kilda are 15th and 16th respectively for rebounding out of the defensive 50. Which confirms my theory that once you get through that zone it is easy to score.

No. I think what you're looking for is something like % of inside 50s that result in a score/goal.

Or it might confirm the fact that us and the Saints concede sweet bugger all inside 50's, therefore there really aren't that many to rebound anyway.

I think that's closer to the mark.

 

[marvin]

Uncontested possessions by team on pro-stats is interesting:

Geelong, Adelaide, WB, Collingwood, St Kilda, Hawthorn, Carlton and Essendon are the top 8 in order. (Brisbane is 15th).

The top 4 teams are 4 of the top 5.

The top 8 fill all but one of the top 9 spots.

Is uncontested ball retention the new black? Discuss.

 

[smoovy]

No. I think what you're looking for is something like % of inside 50s that result in a score/goal.



I think that's closer to the mark.

Got that wrong, here is the % of R50 as opposed to opposition F50 entries. Thought the differential would have been more like 20 instead of 7-15

[FONT=Arial]Team    R50            Opp I50       %[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]St. K    34.1            41.1            83[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Syd      40            49.9            80[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Carl      39.8            50            80[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]NM      43            54.2            79[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Coll      38.8            49.2            79[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]WC      39.8            50.6            79[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Adel     34.4            43.8            79[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Bris      40.8            52.2            78[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Geel     35.4            45.3            78[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]WB      38.1            49.5            77[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Haw     36.2            48.2            75[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Mel      41.5            55.7            75[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Ess       38.5            51.7            74[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Frem    38.9            52.7            74[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Rich     39            53.7            73[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]PA       37.7            52.8            71[/FONT]

 

[toddflanders]

Uncontested possessions by team on pro-stats is interesting:

Geelong, Adelaide, WB, Collingwood, St Kilda, Hawthorn, Carlton and Essendon are the top 8 in order. (Brisbane is 15th).

The top 4 teams are 4 of the top 5.

The top 8 fill all but one of the top 9 spots.

Is uncontested ball retention the new black? Discuss.

i actually asked one of the players wat his opinion was with all the handball they were doing, he went on to tell me something along th elines of that they want to keep possesion, bcause you cant score if u dont have possesion....thats wen i understood why they always handballed

 

[fartass]

The way we spread when we win the contested ball/turnover is a1.

i don’t mind us using a lot of handballs along as its not to a flat footed player or someone under pressure.

I think the crows can be one of the most successful teams at it……at times

 

[RealSlimShady]

Are we really 15th? I thought we were better than that...

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/sport/afl/story/0,26547,25982938-5016212,00.html

According to pro-stats.com.au we are a hell of a lot better than 15th...

I may be wrong but I seem to recall Port had very poor contested stats the year they one their flag along with poor tackling as well.

 

[Crow-mo]

Pro-Stats arent the official stats provider of the AFL and have a different definition of what a contested possession is.

Champion Data say its a hardball get, looseball get, contested mark or free for.

what do Pro-stats say it is?