Opinion 2-2-2

[PhatHQ]

Poppy and Doc play completely different positions/roles.....don't they?

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At the moment yes but a player like Durea or miles, not saying it is those two guys, could easily cover & play that role.

 

[Pessimistic]

Lets go for four and then five flags in a row and if the lack of forward planning means we have a couple in the bottom four so be it

The planning in here is philosophically to stay in the top eight for four years then go back up to top four. But not keep as strong as possible


Lets strap in for the ride and see what happens. Those guys cab go onto reduced contracts for less games


Unless an absolute gun wnts to come over, and money needs freeing up. Theyd have to be in the top 30 in the afl to warrant that though

 

[Luke_Hodgey_15]

2017: Hodge, Mitchell
This will be a very sad day to see these two hang up the boots at the same time. Could see both potentially having another year in them at this point but would expect signs of decline to be showing and I think they'd both be content with what they've achieved.

5 in a row is a good way to out huh?

 

[Mitchell Madness]

His kicking, Really? I didn't see that.

Probably the best player at the club in the best club in the comp. Mitchell will stay and play well beyond 300 games.

The lethality
Just watch his kicking this season, it was no where near as hard as it was
If he loses the accuracy too, it's game over I'm afraid

 

[No.19]

I will cry when Mitchell retires

 

[No.19]

Injuries will have a big say in this.

Burgoyne looked a bit slower this year and didn't impact as many games as previous seasons, but still showed his class in big moments - e.g against West Coast in home and away. Really tough call to make.

Our older blokes know how to manage themselves - they rarely go full speed unless they have to

 

[PhatHQ]

I have said in another thread that regardless if Hawthorn win another GF or not that Mitch is a sneaky chance to call it quits to have some time off with the family to then crack into coaching.

Does this count as being close to what has transpired?

 

[Dewnior]

Does this count as being close to what has transpired?

You should buy a lotto ticket

 

[Buddyball]

I don't necessarily agree on having a plan to get rid of 2 veterans per year. I still think our older players (Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis, Burgoyne, Gibson) should play on and retire on their own terms. Just look at the Bulldogs, Morris, M.Boyd and Murphy are around the same age or older than our veteran players and yet there is no plan to get rid of them.

 

[killerspud]

I don't necessarily agree on having a plan to get rid of 2 veterans per year. I still think our older players (Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis, Burgoyne, Gibson) should play on and retire on their own terms. Just look at the Bulldogs, Morris, M.Boyd and Murphy are around the same age or older than our veteran players and yet there is no plan to get rid of them.

Nonsense - even though Boyd was all Australian there were murmurings that he should retire. Murphy is...well he's a special case as he took the mantle of captain when everything was going to shit - he's been a non playing captain for most of this year and the truth is that the next captain is a year away so they didn't want an interim. Morris played the last few games with a broken vertebrae or something. I don't expect any of them to be there is 2018 - the Cats moved on Enright (despite being an AA like Boyd). Footy is more and more a younger players game and I think clubs hanging onto older players will shoot themselves in the foot. We are just moving on our superstars in a classier way than anyone else

 

[Mitchell54]

Cats moved on Enright (despite being an AA like Boyd). Footy is more and more a younger players game and I think clubs hanging onto older players will shoot themselves in the foot.

I thought Enright made his decision up himself. don't think Geelong forced it upon him.

 

[PhatHQ]

Lewis I feel will loose a step & as a result become frustrated to the point of continual form drop off only to see the Shiels, Langfords & O'Rourkes hitting their prime. Lewis has been a campaigner & will continue to fly the Hawthorn flag to the point where he might assume the spiritual leader role when Shiels is captain but this is where I think he will call it before the club does.

Well....interesting day

 

[crazywildhorse]

Incredibly, the player of the three remaining pensioners that actually looks like he's still got a lot to give is Burgoyne. He still has decent speed, and his impeccable skills haven't aluded him at all. His output has been pretty much consistent since the moment he played his first game as a hawk. I've been wondering if he can even crack the 200 games as a hawk mark. 2 more relatively unaffected seasons would do it.

 

[threesixpio]

Incredibly, the player of the three remaining pensioners that actually looks like he's still got a lot to give is Burgoyne. He still has decent speed, and his impeccable skills haven't aluded him at all. His output has been pretty much consistent since the moment he played his first game as a hawk. I've been wondering if he can even crack the 200 games as a hawk mark. 2 more relatively unaffected seasons would do it.

Burgers - Norm Smith medalist 2018 as last game?

That would be an explosion of goodness. My brain would explode

 

[Gunstall555]

Incredibly, the player of the three remaining pensioners that actually looks like he's still got a lot to give is Burgoyne. He still has decent speed, and his impeccable skills haven't aluded him at all. His output has been pretty much consistent since the moment he played his first game as a hawk. I've been wondering if he can even crack the 200 games as a hawk mark. 2 more relatively unaffected seasons would do it.

His speed is still excellent, but his skills weren't as sharp towards the end of the year.

 

[HolyRioli]

His speed is still excellent, but his skills weren't as sharp towards the end of the year.

And yet were still better than most of both the list and the competition.

I agree that Burgoyne is seemingly proving the most durable. Athletically he's a freak though, far more than Hodge and Gibson, so he's able to keep up with the younger players.

At this stage, he'd be more likely to go on than Hodge and Gibson

 

[Dewnior]

Incredibly, the player of the three remaining pensioners that actually looks like he's still got a lot to give is Burgoyne. He still has decent speed, and his impeccable skills haven't aluded him at all. His output has been pretty much consistent since the moment he played his first game as a hawk. I've been wondering if he can even crack the 200 games as a hawk mark. 2 more relatively unaffected seasons would do it.

Another 57 games and he'll be the record-holder of most games played by an Indigenous player

 

[OnceKicked50]

And yet were still better than most of both the list and the competition.

I agree that Burgoyne is seemingly proving the most durable. Athletically he's a freak though, far more than Hodge and Gibson, so he's able to keep up with the younger players.

At this stage, he'd be more likely to go on than Hodge and Gibson

Yep. He is the best situated to play on. Hodgey has never been blessed with speed, but now with the way the game is played and the miles in his legs he has become a little bit of a liability. I hate saying it. I actually don't really know where he will play this year? I think it has to be around the ball. The back 7 or 8 seems pretty settled. If he plays as a HHF if I was the opposition coach I would be looking to exploit him by putting someone quick on him and telling them to run off at all opportunities.

Gibson, he could go either way. His drop off towards the end of last season was a worry. If Brand stands up as a CHB/FB with Frawley then it could extend Gibson's career.

Burgoyne has kept his pace and remains one of the best one-on-one players in the AFL. He only needs a handful of touches to be damaging or he could shut down a mid-size forward and impact the game that way.

 

[OnceKicked50]

His speed is still excellent, but his skills weren't as sharp towards the end of the year.

Your right. His final term against Geelong was just horrendous butchering of the ball....

 

[Gunstall555]

Your right. His final term against Geelong was just horrendous butchering of the ball....

You're*

 

[OnceKicked50]

You're*

Potting blokes for spelling on BF must be a richly rewarding experience. My bad...

 

[Gunstall555]

Potting blokes for spelling on BF must be a richly rewarding experience. My bad...

It was actually you're grammer. I love Burgoyne, I think he has been brilliant for a long time for us, and was excellent late in both the Geelong and Doggies finals. The WCE and Collingwood games before that though, he was uncharacteristically poor with his disposal (especially the WCE game), like almost human or normal, not his typical elite standards.

FWIW, I think he'll play on in 2018 for us as well and I hope he does.

 

[OnceKicked50]

It was actually you're grammer. I love Burgoyne, I think he has been brilliant for a long time for us, and was excellent late in both the Geelong and Doggies finals. The WCE and Collingwood games before that though, he was uncharacteristically poor with his disposal (especially the WCE game), like almost human or normal, not his typical elite standards.

FWIW, I think he'll play on in 2018 for us as well and I hope he does.

So the basis for his potentially declining skills is two end of season home and away games? Despite acknowledging in the heat of two finals his disposal was exceptional?

I think it was something like 12 touches 2 goals at 100% efficiency in the last quarter against the cats.

Harsh critic. People have bad games, no need to extrapolate that too the norm.

 

[m0zza]

It was actually you're grammer.

...your grammar.

It was actually his punctuation.

 

[Gunstall555]

...your grammar.

It was actually his punctuation.

and you missed the little easter egg I deliberately left there....