Player Watch #2 Jacob Hopper

[RJK Tiger]

A lot can happen in 6 years no point trying to decide the trade a boom or a bust either way at this point

No doubt his year was underwhelming but acting like the sky is falling is just as stupid as assuming pick 6 would have drafted us a gun when it probably would have just drafted us a player in similar caliber to Hopper (who was drafted as pick 7)

anything can happen in 6 years. But we only have 1 to quantify the value of the immense 7 year deal we offered this bloke - and that 1 year was utter shit.

I would say Hoppers single season suggested he might be worth the pick 31 we gave up. Thats how much ground he needs to make up over the next 6 years, feel free to bet your house on it. I will take the bet

 

[Muddiemoose]

anything can happen in 6 years. But we only have 1 to quantify the value of the immense 7 year deal we offered this bloke - and that 1 year was utter s**t.

I would say Hoppers single season suggested he might be worth the pick 31 we gave up. Thats how much ground he needs to make up over the next 6 years, feel free to bet your house on it. I will take the bet

If you say so Bucko
Maybe go back and watch his year overall
Was hardly utter shit either
It had ups and downs and finished on a low but mid season pre his knee injury and early in the year he looked better than Taranto and had some absolutely massive games

But I’ll just let your recency bias cloud your feelings

 

[tigerfan1961]

Fartley gets his pants pulled down every trade week

So much so that we won 3 flags

 

[Tygrys]

A lot can happen in 6 years no point trying to decide the trade a boom or a bust either way at this point

No doubt his year was underwhelming but acting like the sky is falling is just as stupid as assuming pick 6 would have drafted us a gun when it probably would have just drafted us a player in similar caliber to Hopper (who was drafted as pick 7)

True a lot can happen during his 7 year contract. Being injury prone he could miss many more matches because of injury, he could also slow down considerably once he hits the 30 mark as most player tend to do (and with several years left on his contact). But the one thing that won't happen is that he will improve enough to be worth what we paid for him. That's why he was recruited (along with Hardwick wanting one last shot for glory before he shafted us), a ready to go, mature, plug and play midfielder that we didn't need to 'develop'. He is what he is, 'underwhelming', incredibly so when you consider what we paid for him

 

[RJK Tiger]

If you say so Bucko
Maybe go back and watch his year overall
Was hardly utter s**t either
It had ups and downs and finished on a low but mid season pre his knee injury and early in the year he looked better than Taranto and had some absolutely massive games

But I’ll just let your recency bias cloud your feelings

It was a dick tease of a year.

We won by points and lost by goals. Nothing was certain. After Dimma left, we won every close game and finished 13th. With just 1 of those wins becoming a loss, we fall to 14th. We lose one more, we finish 15th.

This year was a act if futility if you ask me. We pretended we could make the finals & then when it came real time, we got beaten by an average of 7 goals against the worst 2 teams to make the 8 IMO.

 

[Muddiemoose]

It was a dick tease of a year.

We won by points and lost by goals. Nothing was certain. After Dimma left, we won every close game and finished 13th. With just 1 of those wins becoming a loss, we fall to 14th. We lose one more, we finish 15th.

This year was an act if futility if you ask me. We pretended we could make the finals & then when it came real time, we got beaten by an average of 7 goals against the worst 2 teams to make the 8 IMO.

All might be true
But has nothing to do what we are talking about in this thread all the same

 

[Chat Pile]

Guys, we need to admit the club ****ed up. With the picks we gave away we could have selected the next Fisher McAsey.

 

[Muddiemoose]

True a lot can happen during his 7 year contract. Being injury prone he could miss many more matches because of injury, he could also slow down considerably once he hits the 30 mark as most player tend to do (and with several years left on his contact). But the one thing that won't happen is that he will improve enough to be worth what we paid for him. That's why he was recruited (along with Hardwick wanting one last shot for glory before he shafted us), a ready to go, mature, plug and play midfielder that we didn't need to 'develop'. He is what he is, 'underwhelming', incredibly so when you consider what we paid for him

All hypotheticals and you could be completely right but just as much a chance he has a blinder next year and onwards and wins a bnf or two the guys on the other side of the fence are calling the trade a master stroke (also far to early to make a call)

No point dealing in hypotheticals especially if you are using them to try and justify why the trade is or isn’t a bust and projecting feelings about the previous coach when it’s a completely separate issue

 

[TheDyerLegacy]

Here’s footage of the Giants list management team making the hopper deal…

 

[RJK Tiger]

All might be true
But has nothing to do what we are talking about in this thread all the same

True - i misread what you said, thought you were saying the teams year not Hopper directly.

I honestly found his year to have a very low impact on the teams fortunes. when you are giving away a top 6 pick - you have to get back a bloke who can impact results, not a midfield plodder.

The Lions have up pick 6, 19 + 55 for Lachie Neale ffs - we gave up 90% of that for Hopper who was coming off a 12 month injury.

There is no f-ing way Hopper had the reputation of Neale when we traded for him. Its bonkers that supporters were laughing at Carlton for getting Cerra who is younger and better, but trying to reason the Hopper trade. It has no logic im sorry

 

[Tiger Toffee]

anything can happen in 6 years. But we only have 1 to quantify the value of the immense 7 year deal we offered this bloke - and that 1 year was utter s**t.

I would say Hoppers single season suggested he might be worth the pick 31 we gave up. Thats how much ground he needs to make up over the next 6 years, feel free to bet your house on it. I will take the bet

Yeah so shit, lets have a look shall we, should be way down on everything if he is so shit.

Based on average this is where Hopper sat club wise until today from 15 games

Disposals: 6th
Tackles: 3rd
Inside 50's: 3rd
Clearances: 3rd
Contested ball: 4th
Goal assists: 2nd

What a terrible shit year he had, i agree with you we have made a shocking error getting him LOL.

So instead of potting, please tell us what Hopper needed to do to be a pass mark in your eyes.

 

[Tygrys]

All hypotheticals and you could be completely right but just as much a chance he has a blinder next year and onwards and wins a bnf or two the guys on the other side of the fence are calling the trade a master stroke (also far to early to make a call)

No point dealing in hypotheticals especially if you are using them to try and justify why the trade is or isn’t a bust and projecting feelings about the previous coach when it’s a completely separate issue

No there isn't just as much chance that he will have a 'blinder' next year and that is the problem. And even if he had by his standards a 'blinder' next year would it be enough to justify the trade. Especially when we are in a rebuilding stage and will no longer be contending. Again pick 6 and 31 for Jacob Hopper for a seven year contract at 26 is a bad deal.

 

[Tigerbob]

And he was a free agent this year….

 

[Frustrated Tiger]

We've found our new whipping boy.

 

[Vassp]

Here’s footage of the Giants list management team making the hopper deal…
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and the TT deal, they're both awful for what we paid.

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

Next year we'll have our chance to redeem ourselves in the draft when we end up bottom 4.

 

[Ralll]

We thought we were giving up a pick around 13 + 31 and getting Hopper + 53 + 63.
He had better years at GWS so it still might work for us if he hits his best form.

 

[TheDyerLegacy]

and the TT deal, they're both awful for what we paid.

This is when we were negotiating for both…
GWS: we can only expect two first rounders and two second rounders
Richmond: Two first rounders???? Wait, why two first rounders?

 

[Tiger Toffee]

and the TT deal, they're both awful for what we paid.

LOL, you can only say this through negative eyes.

 

[The Mighty]

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["The Roar Is Back"]

Got him on the understanding he’d be in his prime and naturally decline as the 7 year contract aged . Today’s a small sample size , but gives enough indication that his current level is little more than a draftee whose form will only improve with experience .
Lubeless 12 inch .

 

[Muddiemoose]

No there isn't just as much chance that he will have a 'blinder' next year and that is the problem. And even if he had by his standards a 'blinder' next year would it be enough to justify the trade. Especially when we are in a rebuilding stage and will no longer be contending. Again pick 6 and 31 for Jacob Hopper for a seven year contract at 26 is a bad deal.

Why can’t he have a blinder next year? Could easily be back to his 2021 form that was all Australian caliber
He has only played one sub 15 game season except his first two years and this year

He hasn’t had repeat injuries this year, all his injuries have been separate including an unlucky concussion

And no we aren’t contending next year but that is still only year two into his contract his still in his prime and will be for a number of years

Seems you just want to shit on the trade due to an emotional underwhelming season and feel like you need something to blame

 

[Muddiemoose]

Got him on the understanding he’d be in his prime and naturally decline as the 7 year contract aged . Today’s a small sample size , but gives enough indication that his current level is little more than a draftee whose form will only improve with experience .
Lubeless 12 inch .

What about last weeks?

 

[RJK Tiger]

Yeah so s**t, lets have a look shall we, should be way down on everything if he is so s**t.

Based on average this is where Hopper sat club wise until today from 15 games

Disposals: 6th
Tackles: 3rd
Inside 50's: 3rd
Clearances: 3rd
Contested ball: 4th
Goal assists: 2nd

What a terrible s**t year he had, i agree with you we have made a shocking error getting him LOL.

So instead of potting, please tell us what Hopper needed to do to be a pass mark in your eyes.

It's all about cost

When i get a pizza from coles for $2 - its a good pizza

But if i paid $42 for that pizza, it would be a very very bad pizza.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

I must admit I’ve been disappointed, I hadn’t seen a lot of him, but thought he’d be more of a contested ball beast.

Let’s see if he can get the body right and have a good preseason. Maybe he has another gear , fingers crossed for next year.