2 questions

[NSWCROW]

With ROO getting the tap on the shoulder the other day , i ask this -

1) - How much "play money" do we now have , and

2) - Has NICK DAL SANTO re-signed with the sainters yet ???

 

[-VC-]

Roo was on the Veterans List, so I wouldn't imagine it would be a great deal more. The Cap is going up a bit though.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

Yes Dal has re-signed with the Saints. Pity, he could be something special if he came to the Crows.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

When was the last time a player changed clubs for more money .......

This is old school thinking now

 

[jumpman5]

Roo was on the Veterans List, so I wouldn't imagine it would be a great deal more. The Cap is going up a bit though.

triggy said on melbourne radio that the crows making a big play at a big time player (they were talikng PAV at the time) would depend greatly on what the ROO would be doing next year.....

so the ROO certainly has cleared some CAP space but i dont see any big time players up for grabs...PAV signed, FEV, a germ but will stay, DAL signed....

should probably focus on henstchell, sellar, tippet and hope for the best....

 

[macca23]

With ROO getting the tap on the shoulder the other day , i ask this -

1) - How much "play money" do we now have , and

Roo was on around the same money as Macca - $550k ish. Maybe $600k tops.

Because he was on the veterans list, only half of his match payments counted for the salary cap.

That only releases about $300k for play money, which is why Triggy said if we had gotten Pav in a trade we would have had to move a couple of players on.

 

[Truck Rutten]

Roo was on around the same money as Macca - $550k ish. Maybe $600k tops.

Because he was on the veterans list, only half of his match payments counted for the salary cap.

That only releases about $300k for play money, which is why Triggy said if we had gotten Pav in a trade we would have had to move a couple of players on.

But in addition to the $300k, won't we be able to now move one of Macca, Goody or Edwards onto the veterans list in Roo's place, thereby freeing up half of their salary as well?

 

[macca23]

But in addition to the $300k, won't we be able to now move one of Macca, Goody or Edwards onto the veterans list in Roo's place, thereby freeing up half of their salary as well?

Excellent point!!


Macca was the other player other than Roo on the veterans list, so it would be Goody or Edwards that would be put on that list, saving approx another $225k to $250k.

In theory that would mean we will have an extra $500+ k, although player increases would swallow some of that.

 

[smoovy]

I would be looking at Davey or Didak, does anyone know their contract situations?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Excellent point!!


Macca was the other player other than Roo on the veterans list, so it would be Goody or Edwards that would be put on that list, saving approx another $225k to $250k.

In theory that would mean we will have an extra $500+ k, although player increases would swallow some of that.

We can actually add both Goody AND Edwards to the veteren list along with McLeod. If we do this, then only a 3rd of their salaries would not count into the salary cap.

If you have one or 2 players on vetran's list 50% of their salary is outside of the salary cap. Of you have 3, then a 3rd of their salary is outside the salary cap.

When you consider the retirement of Roo, increase in salary cap and possible dlistings and trades or more senior players, there would be some $500K+ to play around with.

Unfortunately this year's market looks a bit underwhelming unless some club is prepared to offload one of their guns which is unlikely.

 

[macca23]

Unfortunately this year's market looks a bit underwhelming unless some club is prepared to offload one of their guns which is unlikely.

Sadly, you are right, Stiffy.

When we're talking guns for the AFC we are obviously talking forwards, or quick on-ballers.

Nobody's going to want to hand one of those over, unless the player is disenchanted or wants to go home.

Nothing springs readily to mind.

Our out of season excitement, if there is any, will be trade time if Meesen wants to go home.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Sadly, you are right, Stiffy.

When we're talking guns for the AFC we are obviously talking forwards, or quick on-ballers.

Nobody's going to want to hand one of those over, unless the player is disenchanted or wants to go home.

Nothing springs readily to mind.

Our out of season excitement, if there is any, will be trade time if Meesen wants to go home.

Kosi is the pick of the bunch but very unlikely to leave St. Kilda.

Of the contracted players, there is a rumour that Collingwood might be looking to offload Didak but geez do you take on his baggage?! Talent wise ABSOLUTELY but he brings a lot of baggage with him. There would be some scepticism there.

I hope that Meesen stays but I fear he is gawn!. Hopefully, he plays 3 ripping games to finish off the year and decides that Adelaide is the right club for him.

I think we might be looking to trade some of our older players or delist them. Would be very disappointed if Meesen is traded. I would have used him in a Pavlich trade but not for anything else available out there.

 

[Cap]

there really isn't anyone that you even think are looking to move on

its going to be a matter on enticing players to Adelaide ?

 

[beagle2]

If you have one or 2 players on vetran's list 50% of their salary is outside of the salary cap. Of you have 3, then a 3rd of their salary is outside the salary cap.

Or we could add neither and pick an extra rookie who we can ditch in 12 months if he doesnt measure up

 

[-VC-]

I will be ropeable if we get Didak. I reckon we get closer to a contested situation in the back of Bay 114 than that squib.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Excellent point!!


Macca was the other player other than Roo on the veterans list, so it would be Goody or Edwards that would be put on that list, saving approx another $225k to $250k.

In theory that would mean we will have an extra $500+ k, although player increases would swallow some of that.

I think Burton is also eligible to be moved on to the Vets list at season end. Though I gather Goody would have the largest salary of the 3 (particularly if he became captain), so he would be the best one to move on to Vets list.

Should give us some space to offer a decent salary to an out of contract top-line player if need be.

 

[macca23]

Of the contracted players, there is a rumour that Collingwood might be looking to offload Didak but geez do you take on his baggage?! Talent wise ABSOLUTELY but he brings a lot of baggage with him. There would be some scepticism there.

I can't see the AFC wanting to take Didak on, given the baggage that comes with him.

Talented but too erratic both on and off the field.

 

[Asgardian]

We can actually add both Goody AND Edwards to the veteren list along with McLeod. If we do this, then only a 3rd of their salaries would not count into the salary cap.

If you have one or 2 players on vetran's list 50% of their salary is outside of the salary cap. Of you have 3, then a 3rd of their salary is outside the salary cap.

If you have a 3rd veteran, doesn't it mean you have one less spot on the Rookie list available?

Also, with the retirement of so many excellent players at seasons end, I'd imagine several clubs will have some "play dough" available to throw into the trading pool, but a pity as you say, that the pool looks shallow at this stage.

 

[macca23]

If you have a 3rd veteran, doesn't it mean you have one less spot on the Rookie list available?
Also, with the retirement of so many excellent players at seasons end, I'd imagine several clubs will have some "play dough" available to throw into the trading pool, but a pity as you say, that the pool looks shallow at this stage.

Correct. There are 6 spots outside the main list which can be used for a combination of veterans and rookies.

The classic combination is 2 veterans and 4 rookies, with only half of the veterans match payments counting towards the salary cap. (salary cap relief 50%)

If a club puts 3 veterans on the veterans list, then two thirds of each of these 3 players match payments count towards the salary cap (salary cap relief 33 1/3%).

In such a case the club could only have 3 rookies, as 3 spot have gone to veterans.

The advantage of the veterans list is that basically you have extra players for your main list - the standard 38 plus the veterans. The disadvantage is that you have to squeeze them into your salary cap and you have less spots on the rookie list to try out young talent which may or may not be up to AFL level.

 

[beagle2]

Correct. There are 6 spots outside the main list which can be used for a combination of veterans and rookies.


In such a case the club could only have 3 rookies, as 3 spot have gone to veterans.

The maximum on the playing list is 40 Cant have 38 plus 3 veterans one has to be in the 38 Having three vets only helps i f the last one has moved above the others in salary so that one third of three salaries is greater than half of the first two Practically it is now irrevelant to teams like West Coast and Collingwood who are not bound by the cap

 

[Vader]

OK. A few points to consider.

Adelaide currently has 2 veterans - Ricciuto and Goodwin. McLeod is NOT currently on our veterans list.

Adding a 3rd veteran (presumably by placing both Edwards & McLeod on the veterans list) does not reduce the number of rookies.

Veterans can be either outside the main list, or inside the main list. Each team is permitted to have up to 6 players outside the main list, only two of which can be veterans. Assuming all 6 positions are filled, there are 3 possible permutations:
0 veterans, 6 rookies
1 veteran, 5 rookies
2 veterans, 4 rookies

Clubs are permitted to have as many veterans as they like INSIDE the main list. These players are veterans for purposes of calculating the salary cap, but do not free up additional places on the list.

The AFL website used to have a list of all team lists, which detailed which who were the veteran listed players. Some teams had no veterans (eg West Coast), while Footscray had 4 (from memory).

Presumably, the retirement of Ricciuto would enable the club to promote another player to his position - as a veteran outside the main list.

The following players would all be eligible for veteran status next year:

• Andrew McLeod
• Tyson Edwards
• Simon Goodwin (currently an outside veteran)
• Nathan Bassett
• Brett Burton
• Rhett Biglands

However, there may not be any benefit to adding more players to the veterans list (even if they are eligible), due to the law of diminishing returns in terms of how much salary cap relief is offered.

 

[beagle2]

OK. A few points to consider.



The AFL website used to have a list of all team lists, which detailed which who were the veteran listed players. Some teams had no veterans (eg West Coast), while Footscray had 4 (from memory).

This means West Coasts player payment is well below Adelaides thus proving the salary cap is a joke If player X wants more money they just send him to sponser Y who says Dean is promoting my normal rhubarb squeezers but if you promote the left handed ones theres $200,000 in for you and Vlad is happy

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Surely McLeod would replace Roo on the Vets list, as he is & would continue to be in our top-2 earners.

Probably no real advantage in placing a 3rd player on the Vets list.