2007 NBA Draft

[AndSmithMustScore]

Maybe you'd have won more games if you didn't sit your starters at the start of the fourth with a lead?

Which starters would they be?

Pierce missed a large chunk of the season

Wally hardly played a game

Allen missed the second half of the season.

But i see your point we did sit Scalabrine a few times in the 4th.

 

[btdg]

Gotta say good luck to Portland. For a small-market team, they seem continually able to rebuild themselves and remain relevant. Just had a whole stack of memorable teams in my time:

- Bill Walton leading 'the perfect team' to the 1977 title
- Clyde the Glide, Jerome Kersey, Terry Porter, Drazen Petrovic and Buck Williams making the Finals in 1990 and 1992
- Scottie Pippen, Arvydas Sabonis and co choking their way out of the 2000 finals against the Lakers
- The subsequent fall into becoming the Jailblazers - how much fun was it seeing Bonzi Wells, Rasheed Wallace, Ruben Patterson, Darius Miles, Damon Stoudemire, etc all on the one team (not to mention JR Rider before them).

Now we get to see the Roy/Aldridge/Oden combination. Awesome stuff, and just reward for a team who did the right thing last year and starting rebuilding, then played competitively all this year and cost themselves lottery position into the bargain

 

[peternorth]

- Scottie Pippen, Arvydas Sabonis and co choking their way out of the 2000 finals against the Lakers

sabonis
brian grant
pippen (who tore us a new one on D as chronicled in P. Jacksons books)
steve smith
stoudemire
----------------------------------------
rasheed wallace
detlef schrempf
bonzi wells
greg anthony
jermaine o'neal

what a squad! (on paper)


im still trying to find that game on dvd. i remember watching it at the time and being speechless at the end, amazing, especially the kobe to shaq alley oop dunk!

 

[celtic_pride]

This is why i hate this system of drafting and i hope it never comes to the AFL.

Memphis deserved/needed the best player out there to help them more so than a side like Portland with their good young core of players.

In other words a team thats already better than Memphis by a bit just got a shitload better than them.

I guess the NBA system isn't about equalizing teams.

Yeah exactly right, it's just a mockery that Portland, which had a mathamatical chance of 5 percent to get the NO 1 pick, lucks out and gets it.
And yes anyone who follows the Celtics as me and ASMS do would know there is no way in hell this team tanked this year, esp without our best player out for nearly half the season and heaps of other injuries.
If we tanked Legit, why did we go hell out and beat the Spurs on their home court for the first time in like 17 years ?
And yes Memphis got stiched up big time as well.

I just think too many times that the worst performing sides don't get the help/assistance they need via the lottery, and that is a miscarriage of justice IMHO.

 

[celtic_pride]

My point about the Celtics is who knows how shit or good we are?

Maybe fit a fully fit sqaud we'd have won the division.

Or maybe we really aren't any good

Next season is make or break for both Danny and Doc.
I would expect a far stronger showing if we have nearly a full team together the whole season, but if we don't make the playoffs (yes I reckon we're capable of 7th or 8th seed) I would expect both of them to be gone at season's end, despite the fact Doc got an contract extension this season.

 

[peternorth]

Yeah exactly right, it's just a mockery that Portland, which had a mathamatical chance of 5 percent to get the NO 1 pick, lucks out and gets it.
And yes anyone who follows the Celtics as me and ASMS do would know there is no way in hell this team tanked this year, esp without our best player out for nearly half the season and heaps of other injuries.
If we tanked Legit, why did we go hell out and beat the Spurs on their home court for the first time in like 17 years ?
And yes Memphis got stiched up big time as well.

i feel for celtics fans. i mean, lucking out on this draft, and the duncan one. whats the bet that you'll get the no 1 pick soon and it will be a crappy draft where someone like kwame brown or martin are no 1. it ebbs and flows im afraid.

what you said summarises the system "Portland, which had a mathamatical chance of 5 percent to get the NO 1 pick, lucks out and gets it." key word is luck.

I just think too many times that the worst performing sides don't get the help/assistance they need via the lottery, and that is a miscarriage of justice IMHO.

i like the system, but i also think its got to do with the depth of the players in the draft. some years you get hacks in the top 10, some years (like this upcoming one) its deep with potential franchise players.

hey at least you got the no 5 pick. it could be worse, you could be the lakers and have no cap space and basically no tradable assets.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Interesting to see alot of prominent people comming out slamming the the lottery system.

Pat Riley, Jerry West, Billy King to name a few.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Interesting to see alot of prominent people comming out slamming the the lottery system.

Pat Riley, Jerry West, Billy King to name a few.

Here is the thing. Prominent people will NEVER be happy. They will ALWAYS find something to bitch and moan about especially if they just got dudded. Its human nature.

Now look at the AFL, there is a lot of bitching and moaning about the draft system we have. I am pretty sure that Those same "prominent people" in the NBA would also find something to bitch about if the NBA got rid off the lottery and went with the system that the AFL have.

From my perspective, its as good a draft system as you could possibly get. It is a draft system that discourages tanking as much as practically possible. It is a system that tries to make the team go out and win because there are no guarantees that loses will equal a top pick.

The discontent generally comes from people that get dudded or have been dudded once or twice before. So its not wonder that Celtics, Memphis and Bucks fans are the ones whinging the most. And West, please, he just got dudded out of a #1 pick and got the worst possible outcome for his team. Whats he going to do, jump around for joy

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Here is the thing. Prominent people will NEVER be happy. They will ALWAYS find something to bitch and moan about especially if they just got dudded. Its human nature.

Now look at the AFL, there is a lot of bitching and moaning about the draft system we have. I am pretty sure that Those same "prominent people" in the NBA would also find something to bitch about if the NBA got rid off the lottery and went with the system that the AFL have.

From my perspective, its as good a draft system as you could possibly get. It is a draft system that discourages tanking as much as practically possible. It is a system that tries to make the team go out and win because there are no guarantees that loses will equal a top pick.

The discontent generally comes from people that get dudded or have been dudded once or twice before. So its not wonder that Celtics, Memphis and Bucks fans are the ones whinging the most. And West, please, he just got dudded out of a #1 pick and got the worst possible outcome for his team. Whats he going to do, jump around for joy

Pat Riley hardly got dudded, in fact he had very little interest in it.

So how do you explain away someone like Riley who's been in the game and successful at it for so long thinking it's a farce?

 

[Portmanteau]

Yeah, what Stiffy said.

West was hilarious "This isn't sour grapes, but whinge whinge whinge..."

Such a "I'm not racist, but..." moment.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Pat Riley hardly got dudded, in fact he had very little interest in it.

So how do you explain away someone like Riley who's been in the game and successful at it for so long thinking it's a farce?

You picked out one person out of how many GMs in the league. Why is it that those other people are not as fussed about it.

Lets just face facts thats it IS the best possible model out there that at least somewhat discourages tanking and does reward teams in need. In fact, it goes so much into details that positions are weighted in terms of number of balls. What if it was all 14 teams on equal footing? I think you would have something to bitch and moan about then.

It is the best system there is in sport that has a draft.

 

[btdg]

The funny thing is that all year there was criticism about how teams were openly tanking in order to move up in the draft and get Oden/Durant. All the talk was about how unfair the draft lottery was because it rewarded teams who didn't try to win every game, and how it should be modified to stop that.

Then lottery time comes around, and rewards Portland, who have done all the right things, rebuilt around a solid core of youth and who played tough every game all year - they just weren't that good. And the teams that got 'screwed' by the lottery - Memphis, Boston and Milwaukee - were arguably the worst in the tanking department. So the lottery did exactly what it was supposed to - removed the incentive for teams to tank, because there is no certainty of reward. Now everyone is jumping up and down and saying the teams that tanked DID deserve to get the top picks.

You can't please anyone. Fact is, Karma is a bitch and screwed those teams that tried to mess with her.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

You picked out one person out of how many GMs in the league. Why is it that those other people are not as fussed about it.

Lets just face facts thats it IS the best possible model out there that at least somewhat discourages tanking and does reward teams in need. In fact, it goes so much into details that positions are weighted in terms of number of balls. What if it was all 14 teams on equal footing? I think you would have something to bitch and moan about then.

It is the best system there is in sport that has a draft.

I picked out more than one. I also mentioned Billy King.

And i'm sure there's more out there that don't like it.

It's the best model for you, there's alot of people out there who do and don't share your opinion.

But as Riley stated it's the only sport in the world that has a system that expects teams to rely on luck to improve their teams.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I picked out more than one. I also mentioned Billy King.

And i'm sure there's more out there that don't like it.

It's the best model for you, there's alot of people out there who do and don't share your opinion.

But as Riley stated it's the only sport in the world that has a system that expects teams to rely on luck to improve their teams.

If teams are primarily basing thier team improvement on winning the lottery then they are not competent to do their job and improve their team.

A good GM will put a contender on the court without ever winning the lottery. Look at what Colangelo was able to do in Phoenix and what Petrie did in in the late 90s, early 2000s with the Kings. Neither of those GMs won the lottery but they put contenders on the floor and not to mention Joe Dumars who has built a championship team without winning the lottery.

Its a cop out for digruntled GMs who want their job made easier. If any 2 teams deserved to get the top 2 picks it was the Blazers and Seattle because they gave it their best shot, they played hard but were just not good enough. Memphis, Boston and Bucks got what they deserved.

 

[Crow-mo]

Yeah exactly right, it's just a mockery that Portland, which had a mathamatical chance of 5 percent to get the NO 1 pick, lucks out and gets it.
And yes anyone who follows the Celtics as me and ASMS do would know there is no way in hell this team tanked this year, esp without our best player out for nearly half the season and heaps of other injuries.
If we tanked Legit, why did we go hell out and beat the Spurs on their home court for the first time in like 17 years ?
And yes Memphis got stiched up big time as well.

I just think too many times that the worst performing sides don't get the help/assistance they need via the lottery, and that is a miscarriage of justice IMHO.

and what about Ryan Gomes confessions to your tanking?

 

[Stiffy_18]

and what about Ryan Gomes confessions to your tanking?

That is conviniently ignored by Celtics fans on this board. I mean FFS their own player came out and practically said they tanked yet they are telling us that Celtics didn't thank

 

[Crow-mo]

Its a cop out for digruntled GMs who want their job made easier.

unquestionably!!!

look at the job Colangelo has done in toronto.

is it a coincidence that a Carlton supporter is getting antsy about deserving gift wrapped draft picks

 

[KING-JAMES]

So rapt Portland won the lottery, ever since i did a sim league with them about 2 years ago i have loved them so i couldnt be happier!

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

That is conviniently ignored by Celtics fans on this board. I mean FFS their own player came out and practically said they tanked yet they are telling us that Celtics didn't thank

Nah we don't forget it.

But what you seem to have overlooked conveniently is that it was the 3rd last game of the season. So not like its 30 games out from the end of the season.

You also conveniently overlooked the fact we were forced to sign a D-League player to meet the minimum player requirement for a team.

You also left off also part of the quote was:

It could be for that reason (lottery position) or it could be for getting the younger guys some playing time or seeing who's going to be here next year.

The dumbest thing about all of this talk is you make it sound like that if we played half injured players we'd have been much better off.

We still would have sucked.

 

[saintal]

It hardly seems fair that we get the #1 pick, but hey, I'm not complaining

Not looking forward to seeing all the bandwagon jumpers buying Oden singlets though

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

It hardly seems fair that we get the #1 pick, but hey, I'm not complaining

Not looking forward to seeing all the bandwagon jumpers buying Oden singlets though

I think more people will buy Durrant singlets.

It'll take me back to the old days when every 3rd kid had a Shawn Kemp Seattle shirt on.

More people wear Kobe/Tracey/Lebron tops thant Duncan/Howard/Okafor

The kids prefer the flashier players over the defensive giants.

 

[KING-JAMES]

It hardly seems fair that we get the #1 pick, but hey, I'm not complaining

Not looking forward to seeing all the bandwagon jumpers buying Oden singlets though

True that, happens all the time. Look at all the 'new' cavs fans. Miami had a few too. I was on Miami because i saw Alonzo play when i first started, shitted me to see everyone jump on board. Portland i have always like dunno why, i did a few sim leagues with them and kinda followed them because of that. Also rapt Sonics get Durant. Kemp/Payton made me like them so i hope he can bring back the winning feel to Seattle. So happy about the lottery

All i now need it Orlando to land OJ or Rose next year, Durant to fufills his potential an ill be completed

 

[peternorth]

I think more people will buy Durrant singlets.

It'll take me back to the old days when every 3rd kid had a Shawn Kemp Seattle shirt on.

More people wear Kobe/Tracey/Lebron tops thant Duncan/Howard/Okafor

The kids prefer the flashier players over the defensive giants.

true. but i guess kids (say teens) are short, hence will play as guards and want to emulate the nba guards - crossovers, dunks, 3s. something strange about seeing a small guy wear a duncan jersey, or howard etc.

True that, happens all the time. Look at all the 'new' cavs fans. Miami had a few too. I was on Miami because i saw Alonzo play when i first started, shitted me to see everyone jump on board.

so your a heat fan cause of Zo right? were you a hornets fan back when as well? just curious.

and yes you're right, so many cavs fans around. i wonder how many of them would remember the good old days of terrell brandon running the point, wesley person, kemp post sonics days. hell throw in danny ferry (lol), ron harper, mark price, chris mills, andre miller leading the league in assists with lamond murray as his scorer and tyrone hill hitting the boards. if not then definitely wouldn't have heard of larry nance and big kev daugherty

 

[KING-JAMES]

true. but i guess kids (say teens) are short, hence will play as guards and want to emulate the nba guards - crossovers, dunks, 3s. something strange about seeing a small guy wear a duncan jersey, or howard etc.



so your a heat fan cause of Zo right? were you a hornets fan back when as well? just curious.

and yes you're right, so many cavs fans around. i wonder how many of them would remember the good old days of terrell brandon running the point, wesley person, kemp post sonics days. hell throw in danny ferry (lol), ron harper, mark price, chris mills, andre miller leading the league in assists with lamond murray as his scorer and tyrone hill hitting the boards. if not then definitely wouldn't have heard of larry nance and big kev daugherty

I remember the Wesley Person days, cos i used to use him on nba jam 98 lol. He was unstoppable from 3 in that game. I didnt mind the hornets but Zo's time there was a bit early for me. I once saw Mourning swat the hell out of the ball at my mates house an have loved him since, even with his dodgy trades

 

[Thewlis Dish]

II once saw Mourning swat the hell out of the ball at my mates house an have loved him since, even with his dodgy trades

Was that on the film-clip to 'Only Wanna Be With You' by Hootie? I bet it was.