Draft Review 2007 - Redo the 2007 Draft

[Smyth94]

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Thompson averaged 15 from FB whilst taking the best forwards in the comp in a side that conceded the most entries into 50 and finished 4th last.

He's a ****ing gun already, so these blokes must be sure to be superstars.

Agreed - both Thompson and Pears are GROSSLY underrated in this thread

I'd take Pears and Thompson before half of the top ten

 

[RuckRyder]

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Morton is a disgrace of a top 5 pick. Haul him out of there as it looks ridiculous with him there. Push Rioli into the top 5.

 

[mjr_42]

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Grimes will be better than Morton.

Quite possibly, but the fact that the twig-like Cale has managed to play 40 games in his first two years while the more strongly-built Grimes has struggled to get on the park gives him considerable brownie points.

No point in being better if you can't get on the field.

 

[W. Smithers]

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why???
most people would say that cyril will be the best player from 2007.

Best performed. So far.

 

[mjr_42]

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morton at 4
masten at 11 ..
get your hand off it
what has morton shown over masten/palmer/grimes/dangerfield/ward
nothing to date.

I don't rate Masten as highly as the others. He's not damaging enough. He's not quick, his kicking is only adequate and he's shown no great resilience in terms of his fitness and strength. To my mind, there are serious question marks over his value at pick 3 at the moment.

Palmer is a similar case, except that at least Palmer is a ball magnet with considerable queries about his disposal. Still, that can be improved. Palmer's also shown he's quite resilient in terms of his fitness (knee reco notwithstanding; it's a freak injury. If he suffers a second one, it's time to reassess).

Grimes? Already addressed why I rate Morton higher with my reply to NorthBhoy. I actually like Grimes more as a player than Morton, but he can't get fit and maintain it. If he can, he'll rocket up this list. A super footballer trapped in an unhelpful body.

Dangerfield is a similar case to Grimes. Just as damaging as Morton, but a bigger body. However, his fitness for the midfield is a query. If he gets fit enough to play a midfield role, he could well surpass Morton. Or he could stay right where he is if Morton continues to improve. I rate him very, very highly.

Ward, again, is a similar case to Dangerfield. He will be a very fine player, but he's really only played half a dozen good games. I know both Dangerfield and Ward had Year 12 commitments in 2008, but Morton has the runs on the board at this stage and that's how I'm judging them.

Put simply, Cale Morton has averaged more than 20 touches a game as an undersized, 192cm wingman in the worst team in the comp for two years. He is a ball magnet. He is a good kick. He finds time and space. And better than that, he has shown a propensity to play through knocks, aches and pains.

If he puts on more weight and maintains his aerobic capacity, the sky is the limit - and even if he reaches his potential, I still don't think he'll be the best player in this draft.

 

[W. Smithers]

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How often do you read in bf that Cyril is over rated. I swear some people only watch their own team and have no ability to appreciate real talent. Just because people may dislike Hawthorn, their fans, coach, president or whatever does not diminish this guys ability.

He has been good, but would a club really use pick 1 on an upgrade, in my teams case, of Robbie Nahas (I understand that Nahas was drafted a year later)?

 

[Gooseman]

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Just a note on Palmer and his disposal. Most of his shocking kicks were late in games after he had run his guts out after being heavily tagged all day by much older, hardened, expierienced taggers. Not too sure any of the other draftees have even been in that situation yet. Time will tell how good he gets. The guy has heart like phar lap.

 

[mjr_42]

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Just a note on Palmer and his disposal. Most of his shocking kicks were late in games after he had run his guts out after being heavily tagged all day by much older, hardened, expierienced taggers. Not too sure any of the other draftees have even been in that situation yet. Time will tell how good he gets. The guy has heart like phar lap.

Fair comment. Palmer is already a very, very good player and Freo should be delighted with him. Like the vast majority of the class of 2007, he'll only get better.

How do you think he will go after a year out of the game? Will it affect him in a positive or negative way?

 

[Z_K]

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He has been good, but would a club really use pick 1 on an upgrade, in my teams case, of Robbie Nahas (I understand that Nahas was drafted a year later)?

Turn it up.

Why can't Rioli improve? He's basically being talked down because he's had an impact straight away, won games and played a flag side. It's madness.

Clear no.1 now, and only Cotchin can get close in the future, and I really doubt he will.

 

[Gooseman]

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Fair comment. Palmer is already a very, very good player and Freo should be delighted with him. Like the vast majority of the class of 2007, he'll only get better.

How do you think he will go after a year out of the game? Will it affect him in a positive or negative way?

Will be one of the most interesting things to see how he goes next year as a freo fan. I think if he has spent the year mulling over his kicking too much he may just be our next McManus but I've got a feeling he may just be a bit better than that and will excel, here's hoping anyway. I think we will know after the first couple of games if the mental side of the kicking issues are sorted. He has hardly played alongside Haselby yet as well as Hill. Interesting times at the Freo midfeild.

Back on topic though so hard to have this discussion without any bias and to be honest who has really seen all of the above mentioned players enough to accurately gauge who is better than who at this stage of their careers. I watch alot of footy and would be guessing outside the top 2 or 3 thats for sure.

 

[EagleMan87]

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I don't rate Masten as highly as the others. He's not damaging enough. He's not quick, his kicking is only adequate and he's shown no great resilience in terms of his fitness and strength. To my mind, there are serious question marks over his value at pick 3 at the moment.

Have you actually watched him play, or are you just going off what people say on BigFooty? Because that has to be one of the most misinformed posts I've heard about Masten; he's quick, super fit and actually can kick.

Christ, I might as well say that Morton is a squib who only gets cheap possessions in the backline, it's about as true as what you wrote

 

[mjr_42]

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Have you actually watched him play, or are you just going off what people say on BigFooty? Because that has to be one of the most misinformed posts I've heard about Masten; he's quick, super fit and actually can kick.

Christ, I might as well say that Morton is a squib who only gets cheap possessions in the backline, it's about as true as what you wrote

I've watched him play several times and it's my opinion, like it or lump it.

To date, I rate Chris Masten below several other players taken in his draft. He's a bit like Callan Ward, in that he's only really played half a season of good football.

That's not to say he won't improve dramatically. His second half of 2009 was very promising. But at the moment, there are 10 other players from the class of 2007 that I would take ahead of him.

I repeat: he is simply not damaging enough for my liking. I've found him to be one of those players where you have no idea that he's touched the ball 25 times until you check the stats the next day.

 

[Underdog]

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I repeat: he is simply not damaging enough for my liking. I've found him to be one of those players where you have no idea that he's touched the ball 25 times until you check the stats the next day.

I think you are wrong...

 

[EagleMan87]

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I've watched him play several times and it's my opinion, like it or lump it.

To date, I rate Chris Masten below several other players taken in his draft. He's a bit like Callan Ward, in that he's only really played half a season of good football.

That's not to say he won't improve dramatically. His second half of 2009 was very promising. But at the moment, there are 10 other players from the class of 2007 that I would take ahead of him.

I repeat: he is simply not damaging enough for my liking. I've found him to be one of those players where you have no idea that he's touched the ball 25 times until you check the stats the next day.

The fact that you also think he isn't fast or fit kind of puts it into perspective for me; you've glanced at him a few times and bought into the typical 'can't kick, can't run' fallacy that most neutral supporters fall into with Masten.

Oh, he's still recoving from Osteitus Pubis and is yet to complete a pre-season, that's why he was much better in the second half of the year.

 

[yaco55]

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To be fair to the Melbourne Poster there are issues with Masten's kicking.

I am unsure whether it is technique or decison making.

 

[EagleMan87]

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To be fair to the Melbourne Poster there are issues with Masten's kicking.

I am unsure whether it is technique or decison making.

http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/what-is-ostetis-pubis-exactly

As I said; he's been recovering since halfway through 2008 and didn't even take part in the pre-season this year because of it.

Hardly condusive to good kicking, and probably where the misconception that he's not quick came from.

 

[cmndstab]

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Seriously people, if you're going to rag on a poster for offering up an opinion while not giving a list of your own, you just look pathetic. It's very easy to attack someone who has taken the time to write their own list by calling them biased.


Here's my list, not taking into account club needs, just which players I think will be better.


1. Cyril Rioli - is he overrated on Bigfooty? Probably. Does that stop him from being the best player in this draft? Probably not. People who think he's peaked are really only hoping that he's peaked, but I doubt it very much. He'll be the type of player that turns games around for 10 years.

2. Patrick Dangerfield - speaking of players who turn games around, this guy will become the best on-baller from the draft, and in my opinion is a Ricciuto/Voss/Buckley for the new generation. We have not even scratched the surface yet of what Dangerfield has to offer. Could easily be #1 but I rate Rioli extremely highly.

3. Trent Cotchin - if betting agencies allowed me to make a bet that a player will win a Brownlow at some stage in their career, I'd already have placed all my money on Cotchin at the end of last season. Assuming injuries let up (which at his age you'd expect they will), he will be an absolute gun.

4. Matthew Kruezer - Seems like a unique player to me and someone who just strikes me as being a player who rises to pressure. At his size, with his agility and footy smarts, he just ticks way too many boxes to fall below #4.

5. Callan Ward - I love this kid, I think he'll be a deadset superstar midfielder for years to come.

6. Rhys Palmer - His deficiencies with his disposal have been overstated, but are not entirely imaginary. Nevertheless Rhys also strikes me as the kind of kid who eats pressure for breakfast, and also possesses fitness and ball magnetism. He must go #6.

7. Tayte Pears - A natural-born defender who never seems overawed - a key indicator for a great defender. I really like him, he just screams future AA defender to me.

8. Andy Otten - I think Otten is a more complete footballer than Pears, in terms of versatility and his agility is still extremely underrated in the wider footballing communities. However, he strikes me mostly as a player who plays anywhere with aplomb, without dominating one spot in particular, so I put him below Pears.

9. Chris Masten - Don't think that me letting him slide to 9 means that I don't rate him. He's a great mid and will be talked in extremely highly-rated company for the next decade. I definitely see him a rung below the likes of Palmer, Dangerfield and Ward though.

10. Harry Taylor - Heart and soul of a club, can be relied on to do a job, and is the ultimate club man. You couldn't go wrong picking him up here.

11. Grimes
12. Henderson
13. Myers
14. Grant
15. Ebert
16. Henderson

 

[deledio7]

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^^ Awesome job mate. You left out Morton, I'm guessing you didn't intentionally do so.

 

[yaco55]

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Seriously people, if you're going to rag on a poster for offering up an opinion while not giving a list of your own, you just look pathetic. It's very easy to attack someone who has taken the time to write their own list by calling them biased.


Here's my list, not taking into account club needs, just which players I think will be better.


1. Cyril Rioli - is he overrated on Bigfooty? Probably. Does that stop him from being the best player in this draft? Probably not. People who think he's peaked are really only hoping that he's peaked, but I doubt it very much. He'll be the type of player that turns games around for 10 years.

2. Patrick Dangerfield - speaking of players who turn games around, this guy will become the best on-baller from the draft, and in my opinion is a Ricciuto/Voss/Buckley for the new generation. We have not even scratched the surface yet of what Dangerfield has to offer. Could easily be #1 but I rate Rioli extremely highly.

3. Trent Cotchin - if betting agencies allowed me to make a bet that a player will win a Brownlow at some stage in their career, I'd already have placed all my money on Cotchin at the end of last season. Assuming injuries let up (which at his age you'd expect they will), he will be an absolute gun.

4. Matthew Kruezer - Seems like a unique player to me and someone who just strikes me as being a player who rises to pressure. At his size, with his agility and footy smarts, he just ticks way too many boxes to fall below #4.

5. Callan Ward - I love this kid, I think he'll be a deadset superstar midfielder for years to come.

6. Rhys Palmer - His deficiencies with his disposal have been overstated, but are not entirely imaginary. Nevertheless Rhys also strikes me as the kind of kid who eats pressure for breakfast, and also possesses fitness and ball magnetism. He must go #6.

7. Tayte Pears - A natural-born defender who never seems overawed - a key indicator for a great defender. I really like him, he just screams future AA defender to me.

8. Andy Otten - I think Otten is a more complete footballer than Pears, in terms of versatility and his agility is still extremely underrated in the wider footballing communities. However, he strikes me mostly as a player who plays anywhere with aplomb, without dominating one spot in particular, so I put him below Pears.

9. Chris Masten - Don't think that me letting him slide to 9 means that I don't rate him. He's a great mid and will be talked in extremely highly-rated company for the next decade. I definitely see him a rung below the likes of Palmer, Dangerfield and Ward though.

10. Harry Taylor - Heart and soul of a club, can be relied on to do a job, and is the ultimate club man. You couldn't go wrong picking him up here.

11. Grimes
12. Henderson
13. Myers
14. Grant
15. Ebert
16. Henderson

A great summary.

You have been kind to Myers

Next year will determine how good a player Myers will become - He is being groomed to play as an inside midfielder.

 

[yaco55]

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http://www.kick2kick.net/afl/what-is-ostetis-pubis-exactly

As I said; he's been recovering since halfway through 2008 and didn't even take part in the pre-season this year because of it.

Hardly condusive to good kicking, and probably where the misconception that he's not quick came from.

I watch every game of AFL during the season so I have seen lots of Masten.

He can definitely find the ball, has good core strength, has quickness but his kicking needs to improve.

In saying that, he is not Robinson Crusoe, and his kicking is better than Palmer.

I do like the look of Ebert and Sellwood.

You have probably done well from the 2007 Draft.

 

[cmndstab]

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^^ Awesome job mate. You left out Morton, I'm guessing you didn't intentionally do so.

Crap, you're right I had put him in earlier, then decided to put someone in before him and forgot about putting him back in afterwards.

It was late


Put him 9th on my list.


yaco - I don't know, for some reason I just like Myers. I won't say I'm the most reliable judge of youth though But that's the great thing about opinions

 

[smileatme]

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I think this is all abit pointless, but whatever takes your fancy!!!!!

 

[Tailypo]

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Great work cmndstab, can't disagree with any of that.

Cyril Rioli is absolutely a gamebreaker, almost did so against us in R22, and will be even more influential once he moves into a permanent midfield role.

FWIW I think next year will be Myers' breakout year. In my opinion you only need to watch this video:

[YOUTUBE]mZymacYaAhE[/YOUTUBE]

and compare it to his playing style of late, particularly his running, to see that he has been hampered by an injury (OP I think), though it wasn't reported. He was pushing for selection late in the year with some standout games for Bendigo, esp. clearance work, but did some other injury. Despite this, many Essendon supporters have written him off. We shall wait and see .

 

[bombermick]

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Great work cmndstab, can't disagree with any of that.

Cyril Rioli is absolutely a gamebreaker, almost did so against us in R22, and will be even more influential once he moves into a permanent midfield role.

FWIW I think next year will be Myers' breakout year. In my opinion you only need to watch this video:

[youtube]mZymacYaAhE[/youtube]

and compare it to his playing style of late, particularly his running, to see that he has been hampered by an injury (OP I think), though it wasn't reported. He was pushing for selection late in the year with some standout games for Bendigo, esp. clearance work, but did some other injury. Despite this, many Essendon supporters have written him off. We shall wait and see .

He looks great in that vid, he looked a little like a cross between Luke Hodge and Scott Pendlebury there. Unfortunately, good U18 form doesn't always cross over to the AFL. Let's hope he lives up to his billing next year.

 

[Lynch takes a mark]

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1. Kruezer - To me he is quite clearly the #1 of the bunch. Can do it in the ruck, up forward and is good around the ground.
2. Dangerfield - Powerful unit, not much grace but plenty of grunt.
3. Cotchin - Class when he can get on the field
4. Rioli - Can do the impossible both ways, needs to be more accurate around goal.
5. Masten - Yes I am VERY biased on this one, have seen every minute of every AFL game he has played and would not pick any of the others above him. Extremely quick thinking, clean hands, outstanding vision, very high work rate and a lot of the things he does go unnoticed to the opposition.