2008 Melbourne Cup

[Lockyer24]

Being by Zabeel I'm confident he will get the trip and there is no doubt he improves as he steps up in distance. He tends to always start out his campaign well due to his natural ability but then has a flat spot as he builds up fitness then explodes at 1800m +.

The furtherests he has raced is the Cox Plate distance of 2040m, where he gave Master O'Reilly a shellacking by 4.5l.

His record over 2000m is 4 wins and a 2nd from 5 starts.

People seem to compare him to Might and Power in style so I think we'll need to see how he goes over the Caulfield Cup journey and go from there!

 

[Danger Mouse]

Ebor meeting has been called off in the UK... This throws potential Melbourne Cup runners up in the air.... disasterous!

 

[sethlad]

Ebor meeting has been called off in the UK... This throws potential Melbourne Cup runners up in the air.... disasterous!

Not ideal but they're considering adding an extra day to get the Gp races run

seth

 

[d-mac3276]

Ebor meeting has been called off in the UK... This throws potential Melbourne Cup runners up in the air.... disasterous!

Couldn't care a less they're only shitful European horses

 

[Clean Heels]

Couldn't care a less they're only shitful European horses

Septimus says hello..

 

[d-mac3276]

Septimus says hello..

Megatron says hello back

 

[sethlad]

i have an association with kibbutz and, as much as i believe he is more than an average stayer as sethlad says, i do agree that you can't be taking the 17s on him at this point.

watch him come out in late august / early september. if he wins or runs well first up, get on him then. you'll still get 13s or 15s, but your bet will be way less risky.

by the way, he's coming along well. lay off may be a blessing in disguise to let the big fella grow into his massive frame. huge potential - whether he matches it or not remains to be seen.

Wise words indeed,$17 looking a bit light now,what's the latest with Kibbutz?
I heard he's had another problem & will head to the handicaps rather than WFA races.
You OTI boys still counting the $$$$ from Friday night?

seth

 

[demon_fanatic]

hey guys just put a $5 each way on mad rush for caulfied $26/7.25 and melbourne cup $21/6 for the pure Damien Oliver fact and the decent record of Cumani's horses in recent years.. me guessing theyll firm close to the day or on the day so i thought id get in now!!

so my main horse is effecient and kind of each way bets zagreb and mad rush for cup

 

[tarky]

i whacked 20 on guillotine/zagreb caulfield/melb double for a bit of fun

 

[the_fresh]

Market was in todays paper. Don't know what they are thinking installing Kibbutz ahead of Efficient.

Here are the BetStar odds anyway

Kibbutz 15.00

Those who liked him at the 15's must be feeling like idiots.

In 80 years the only 2 horses that have won the Derby & backed up the next year.

 

[Ted]

I'm liking the look of Profound Beauty as its work improves this week. Found this on an Irish website from a couple of months back:

PROFOUND BEAUTY IS A GROUP 1 FILLY

There have been 87 races run over a mile and three quarters in the last thirteen seasons. And the fastest by a margin of 1.2 seconds was the Listed Challenge Stakes won by PROFOUND BEAUTY (39) last week. I suspect she broke the course record but sadly course records are not kept in Ireland. Indeed the lack of respect Irish racing officials have for the times of races could be seen on the same day at Killarney where two races had no official time returned. For those interested they were run in 5m 13.4 and 3m 08.6 respectively. I found this by clocking the videos off the attheraces.com website. Why couldn't someone at the track have timed the videos of the races to give us this information?

I could rant on this subject for some time, so let me instead get back to Profound Beauty who put up a seriously good performance.

Held up off the searching early pace, Profound Beauty moved up approaching the home turn, challenged with a furlong and a half to go and then pulled away impressively and quickly in the closing stages in the way only a high class horse can do off a strong pace.

This run would be good enough to win quite a few Group 1 races for fillies and marks out Profound Beauty as one of the best of her sex in Europe.

Profounf Beauty disappointed when only a fair fifth in last year's Irish Oaks. But since stepping back up to a mile and a half plus she has won two times out of three with her only loss being a good second place finish to Ice Queen who so nearly won the Irish Oaks soon after.

I can understand trainer Dermot Weld's enthusiasm for aiming Profound Beauty at the Melbourne Cup after this run. That race is almost always a slow run affair so it won't be such a test of stamina as this contest. But Profound Beauty showed she could produce the kind of finishing kick required to win the big Australian race when coming off a relatively slow pace to score at the Curragh on Irish Derby day.

I suspect Profound Beauty would need cut in the ground to reproduce this level of form over a shorter distance, though there's really not enough evidence to say that for sure. It's rather a shame there are so few pattern races for fillies at longer trips as this forces Profound Beauty to take on males or race over trips on the short side for her. Even so she's so smart I reckon she's got to be worth following.

http://www.nickmordin.com/ireland_july_2008.htm

 

[coughs2richo]

Septimus is the best stayer in the world, should really win the MC, mad rush main danger though showed great signs in the CC.

 

[CoggaRules]

Winner will come from septimus, mad rush, Nom De Jue, Zipping.
Zipping was a handicapper who ran 4th last year and has come back and contested WFA races. If it werent for the unknowns of Septimus, lets not forget that Oscar thing that was tghe next big thing a few years ago, I would declare a good thing with Zipping. Apart from that, Nom De Jue's run in the Caulfield has to be taken into account.
If rain comes then look out for Cest Le Guerre

The rest of the field is just filling in the numbers. The end.

 

[Ted]

Zipping was a handicapper who ran 4th last year and has come back and contested WFA races.

But he was coming off 4th last year too, and has had nearly the same prep this year as last.

What's changed?

 

[GooneyROO]

SHOCK SHOCK SHOCK

Efficient out of Melbourne Cup

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/29/2404317.htm