Draft Review 2008 - Re-do the 2008 draft

[Rustin Cohle]

What the **** am I reading in this thread?

 

[Wild Bill]

Beams has a much easier ride as he's in a far deeper midfield and gets tagged less often. He is more consistent, no argument there, and he is better inside but he is nowhere near as explosive and is not as dangerous a forward regardless of what statistics you want to claim. There is no way we would trade Zaharakis for Beams, it would be a step backwards for our midfield!

Beams is not slow, gets a lot more of it, kicks more goals. He was a top 5 mid in 2012. Zaka has never been in the top 20 in any year. You would gain much more than you would lose.

 

[Ambrosia]

Beams has a much easier ride as he's in a far deeper midfield and gets tagged less often. He is more consistent, no argument there, and he is better inside but he is nowhere near as explosive and is not as dangerous a forward regardless of what statistics you want to claim. There is no way we would trade Zaharakis for Beams, it would be a step backwards for our midfield!

Disagree Beams has shown he can beat the tag and if anything dealing with a tag is still a question that hangs over Zaharakis's head. I don't think Beam is quite level with the top 3 young up coming elite mids in Fyfe, Dangerfield and Cotchin but he's definitely leading the pack of the next tier down imo

 

[Vass]

If we were to swap out Beams for Zaka our midfield would become even more one paced and Ben Howlett or Jake Melksham would be our best mids capable of breaking the lines.

Can't see Essendon trading Zaka for Beams especially when you consider his form pre fracturing his back this season.

Beams is not slow. If your were to swap Zaka or Beams your midfield will be much better. there is no if and but about it. you are overrating Zaka so much or underrating Beams.

 

[Ambrosia]

Beams is not slow. If your were to swap Zaka or Beams your midfield will be much better. there is no if and but about it. you are overrating Zaka so much or underrating Beams.

Zaharakis isn't that much quicker than Beams it's his willingness to take the game on and carry the ball that makes him vital to our side which lacks those types of players.

 

[Vass]

Beams has a much easier ride as he's in a far deeper midfield and gets tagged less often. He is more consistent, no argument there, and he is better inside but he is nowhere near as explosive and is not as dangerous a forward regardless of what statistics you want to claim. There is no way we would trade Zaharakis for Beams, it would be a step backwards for our midfield!

Beams has been tagged and beaten them. a lot more times then Zaka. there is just no credible argument to suggest that Zaka is worth more then Beams for any team.

 

[Vass]

Zaharakis isn't that much quicker than Beams it's his willingness to take the game on and carry the ball that makes him vital to our side which lacks those types of players.

Beams also runs and carries. Gets a lot of outside ball to go with his inside ball. I agree Zaca is important to your side. but if you had Beams he would be more important.

 

[RobbyRoy]

I went on a combination of what the players have achieved and what clubs look for (i.e. ruckmen and KPPs more valued):

1. Nic Naitanui
2. Dayne Beams
3. Dan Hannebery
4. Steven Motlop
5. Rory Sloane
6. Steele Sidebottom
7. David Zaharakis
8. Hamish Hartlett
9. Jack Ziebell
10. Daniel Rich
11. Jack Redden
12. Luke Shuey
13. Stephen Hill
14. Michael Hurley
15. Luke Breust
16. Jack Watts
17. Michael Walters
18. Jordan Roughead
19. Matthew Broadbent
20. Phil Davis

 

[Wargreymon90]

I went on a combination of what the players have achieved and what clubs look for (i.e. ruckmen and KPPs more valued):

1. Nic Naitanui
2. Dayne Beams
3. Dan Hannebery
4. Steven Motlop
5. Rory Sloane
6. Steele Sidebottom
7. David Zaharakis
8. Hamish Hartlett
9. Jack Ziebell
10. Daniel Rich
11. Jack Redden
12. Luke Shuey
13. Stephen Hill
14. Michael Hurley
15. Jack Watts
16. Michael Walters
17. Jordan Roughead
18. Matthew Broadbent
19. Liam Anthony
20. Phil Davis

Thankyou for changing the subject kind sir

 

[Wild Bill]

I went on a combination of what the players have achieved and what clubs look for (i.e. ruckmen and KPPs more valued):

1. Nic Naitanui
2. Dayne Beams
3. Dan Hannebery
4. Steven Motlop
5. Rory Sloane
6. Steele Sidebottom
7. David Zaharakis
8. Hamish Hartlett
9. Jack Ziebell
10. Daniel Rich
11. Jack Redden
12. Luke Shuey
13. Stephen Hill
14. Michael Hurley
15. Jack Watts
16. Michael Walters
17. Jordan Roughead
18. Matthew Broadbent
19. Liam Anthony
20. Phil Davis

Love my kangas but Anthony is not in front of Vickery, Clarke, Shiels, Ballantyne, Schoenmakers, Yarren and Robinson.

 

[loki04]

Disagree Beams has shown he can beat the tag and if anything dealing with a tag is still a question that hangs over Zaharakis's head. I don't think Beam is quite level with the top 3 young up coming elite mids in Fyfe, Dangerfield and Cotchin but he's definitely leading the pack of the next tier down imo

There is only one player named that is better then Beams and only marginally in Dangerfield.

People have memories of a gold fish and due to that Beams is being underrated due to a long injury layoff last year a full injury free preseason will have him squarely back in peoples minds.

 

[loki04]

Quit while you are ahead.

Beams wasn't massively rated - GC wanted him to wait a year and place him on their list. It was considered that Collingwood reached in selecting Beams at 29. Hie performances were downrated because he played only against Division 2 teams in the Under 18 championship.

He was rated by our recruitment team a first rounder but we new he would be there at our 2nd round pick but not 3rd hence why we pounced once Sideass slipped who was touted to go top 10.

 

[Ambrosia]

There is only one player named that is better then Beams and only marginally in Dangerfield.

People have memories of a gold fish and due to that Beams is being underrated due to a long injury layoff last year a full injury free preseason will have him squarely back in peoples minds.

Disagree he just doesn't have the stand out attributes such as Dangerfield's explosiveness or Fyfe's contested marking and he isn't as damaging around stoppages as Cotchin who regularly uses core strength and evasiveness to break free from stoppages in a similar vein to Ablett.

 

[loki04]

Disagree he just doesn't have the stand out attributes such as Dangerfield's explosiveness or Fyfe's contested marking and he isn't as damaging around stoppages as Cotchin who regularly uses core strength and evasiveness to break free from stoppages in a similar vein to Ablett.

He doesn't need a "stand out" singular trait as he does it all to a very high standard.

 

[timtamWB]

Well I would rather Cotchin 9 times out of 10 vs Beams, Cotchin has Beams covered, just like Zaharakis has Sidebottom covered and Beams has Zaharakis covered.
you can disagree all you want but out of these 4 it is
1. Cotchin
2. Beams
3 Zaharakis
4. Sidebottom

Beams best is better than Cotchin, but Cotchin has delivered more regularly and for longer. Both are guns.

Also Sidebottom is definitely above Zaharakis.

 

[Ambrosia]

Also Sidebottom is definitely above Zaharakis.

I rate Zaka>Sidebottom but unless you give finals performance extremely highly I fail to see how you could have one significantly better than the other.

 

[timtamWB]

I rate Zaka>Sidebottom but unless you give finals performance extremely highly I fail to see how you could have one significantly better than the other.

Zaka is a great player, not denying that. But Sidebottom is, and has always been, extremely underrated. He is a gun and his performances get missed because of the Pendles/Swan focus.

 

[Patron]

Disagree Beams has shown he can beat the tag and if anything dealing with a tag is still a question that hangs over Zaharakis's head. I don't think Beam is quite level with the top 3 young up coming elite mids in Fyfe, Dangerfield and Cotchin but he's definitely leading the pack of the next tier down imo

Dangefield and Cotchin are on a very different level to fyfe.

 

[Ambrosia]

Dangefield and Cotchin are on a very different level to fyfe.

I'm probably biased as I have a huge soft spot for mids who are guns over head.

 

[The Bomb]

Dangefield and Cotchin are on a very different level to fyfe.

1. Dangerfield
2. Fyfe
3. Cotchin

Your hate towards Freo is clouding your judgement. Fyfe is pretty bloody awesome.

 

[Watson_my_mind]

Fyfe, Dangerfield and Cotchin are all on the same level in my opinion. Consistent quality performance over the last 2-3 seasons

 

[yaco55]

Well I would rather Cotchin 9 times out of 10 vs Beams, Cotchin has Beams covered, just like Zaharakis has Sidebottom covered and Beams has Zaharakis covered.
you can disagree all you want but out of these 4 it is
1. Cotchin
2. Beams
3 Zaharakis
4. Sidebottom

Serious

Cotchin is over-rated and has little hurt factor to his game. Would take Beams before Cotchin.

 

[WWSD]

I went on a combination of what the players have achieved and what clubs look for (i.e. ruckmen and KPPs more valued):

1. Nic Naitanui
2. Dayne Beams
3. Dan Hannebery
4. Steven Motlop
5. Rory Sloane
6. Steele Sidebottom
7. David Zaharakis
8. Hamish Hartlett
9. Jack Ziebell
10. Daniel Rich
11. Jack Redden
12. Luke Shuey
13. Stephen Hill
14. Michael Hurley
15. Jack Watts
16. Michael Walters
17. Jordan Roughead
18. Matthew Broadbent
19. Liam Anthony
20. Phil Davis

Although he was taken in the rookie draft, surely Luke Breust is in the top 20 in that draft? I'd have him ahead of Anthony, Watts, Roughead and Walters.

 

[yaco55]

He was rated by our recruitment team a first rounder but we new he would be there at our 2nd round pick but not 3rd hence why we pounced once Sideass slipped who was touted to go top 10.

But the point is that he was on few clubs radar at 29. You should be rapt that you got a steal at 29.

 

[Patron]

1. Dangerfield
2. Fyfe
3. Cotchin

Your hate towards Freo is clouding your judgement. Fyfe is pretty bloody awesome.

Don't have hate towards freo and Fyfe is my fav freo player so there shouldnt be any emotion involved. I guess if your looking just at this year that is a good ranking as cotchin was disappointing after he was injured.
But fyfe is a level behind due to his kicking imo.