Remove this Banner Ad

2011 & Beyond..

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Whats the point of culling hard to the bone? theres no reason to do a Fremantle cull. It would just leave us with allot of picks past 40 in a draft with poor depth. Better to give those blokes another year and see if GC wants them, if not and they are still underperforming than they will be easy options for de-listing at the end of next year.
 
i don't think we ar neccesarilly under performing but what we are seeing is the result of young guys not having the full confidence in their game and being able to close off games.

i'm pretty happy with our list - i think we just need a bit of tweaking, get a bit more speed in the actual 22 and just keep developing the guys, and if things go our way a couple of our young mob - selwood, hurn, brown, nicknat, masten, swift, shuey, ebert, houlihan - will stand up in come 2010ish develop into a top 30 AFL player (whilst hopefully one or two of kerr, selwood, cox and glass are still up there).
 
Our defence is first class.
Our forward line has some scoring power, especially if we can get Kennedy playing to his potential.
Our ruck...cream your pants stuff. Cox now, Naitanui in the future.

All that's missing is a gun midfield. But the potential our kids have is enough to have me very optimistic.

Swift - Masten - Ebert
Cox - Kerr - Schuey

Those young guys should all be first class.

What they lack right now is experience and maturity. Culling the older players Freo style will not fast track these youngsters, if anything it will force them to take on a load they can't handle and suffer the consequences of that in the form of injuries or burnout.
 
Yeah our young midfield depth is strong. You can add McGinnity, S.Selwood ect... One has to remember that Houlihan is just 3 months older than Masten and Scho just 4.

We have allot of young guys who need to be rewarded, Spangher has been really solid through the WAFL. He is in my belief as strong an option as Embley on the wing in his current form or Bones on the HBF.
 

Log in to remove this Banner Ad

We really should have a quality spine by that stage.
Glass-Mackenzie-Cox-Kennedy-Notte with alternates Nait - Brown -Lynch

An excellent starting midfield with Kerr, Swift, Masten, Schuey, Selwoods, Houlihan...

What we will be missing is a sweeper with the quality of Wirrapunda/Matera/Hayden and a couple of electric small forwards. The forwards can be easily gotten you would think but the sweeper role is quite a difficult problem.

No-one on the list looks likely and you can't draft them because the skills required take time to develop. Sure, the defense will be solid but our transition to attack will suffer and force the midfield to work back a little too much.

I reckon if we got someone like Wells, he could play that role very well.
 
I read Wilkes had a cracker for the Tigers on the weekend, but our defence is rock solid atm I can't see him getting a game.

I think the 2nd half of the year we'll see more of Swift, Shuey, Houlihan, Nic Nat, Scooter, Spangher ect.
 
I called this last year (can look for the thread if needed) and said that you guys will be a real threat in september action.

You have class all the way through your list, and am hoping for big things from the Eagles (have actualy adopted them as my second team :D) am a big fan of quite a few of your kids, the one thing that is missing is that big full forward, although, when NicNat comes in and plays, will leave the big Q at home as a stay at home Full Forward, and a big target to kick too, with the hit up forward being Kennedy, or would you prefer the other way round (Kennedy [FF], Lynch [CHF] or Kennedy [CHF], Lynch [FF]).

You just require that one premium forward, and all on here seem to hope Kennedy is that player, here from me too. With most other lines covered well. An A grade midfielder is coming, just be patient, I have high hopes for Luke Shuey, Tom Swift and the young Houlihan to become A grade midfielders, just not now, but give them time, and they will become very very good players IMO, so, as mentioned, time will tell for the young Weagles ;)
 
Everyone keeps mentioning Hansens and Stakers names in the delistings file. Sorry to burst the bubble but you CANNOT delist a player who is under contract unless you want to PAY OUT the contract which in turn is counted in the TPP. Unless the Eagles have a s***load of of room in the TPP to allow them to pay out contracts AND pay for the salary of the newly listed player - then this delisting of either Staker or hansen is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Hansen was asked end 08 whether he wanted to be traded and he said no - so unless he plays the rest of the year for Swans then he is likely to stay. Even if he plays Macgoos for the next 17 matches and puts his hand up for a trade - what would the Eagles get for him. Pick 40 if they are lucky - and then the Eagles think " Is pick 40 likely to offer us a better result than Hansen" - they think for exactly 3 secs and decide no and bingo Hansen stays. If a bottom 4 team cant find any value in a slow, cumbersome hit up forward - then please tell me which team will.
The Eagles are nothing but predictable (both on and off the field) and will move on the min number possible + allow for the elevation of Davis and Cockie. Fletcher (v), Wilkes and Seaby to be delisted with MacNamara, Spangher offered for trade and with no takers they will be delisted. Staker will probably be offered up and the Eagles will take whatever they can get for him.
With the intial reports that this years draft is not all that strong - would come as no surprise for the Eagles to delist and then relist a player or 2:)
 
BOND 007 said:
Everyone keeps mentioning Hansens and Stakers names in the delistings file. Sorry to burst the bubble but you CANNOT delist a player who is under contract unless you want to PAY OUT the contract which in turn is counted in the TPP. Unless the Eagles have a s***load of of room in the TPP to allow them to pay out contracts AND pay for the salary of the newly listed player - then this delisting of either Staker or hansen is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Hansen was asked end 08 whether he wanted to be traded and he said no - so unless he plays the rest of the year for Swans then he is likely to stay. Even if he plays Macgoos for the next 17 matches and puts his hand up for a trade - what would the Eagles get for him. Pick 40 if they are lucky - and then the Eagles think " Is pick 40 likely to offer us a better result than Hansen" - they think for exactly 3 secs and decide no and bingo Hansen stays. If a bottom 4 team cant find any value in a slow, cumbersome hit up forward - then please tell me which team will.
The Eagles are nothing but predictable (both on and off the field) and will move on the min number possible + allow for the elevation of Davis and Cockie. Fletcher (v), Wilkes and Seaby to be delisted with MacNamara, Spangher offered for trade and with no takers they will be delisted. Staker will probably be offered up and the Eagles will take whatever they can get for him.
With the intial reports that this years draft is not all that strong - would come as no surprise for the Eagles to delist and then relist a player or 2:)
Click to expand...

You are correct their, although they may be getting games untill suitable players prove themselves (kennedy, Notte, Brown) at AFL level as forwards, untill then, Staker and Hansen will be getting games, the time will be about right at the end of 2010 when they get delisted.
 
Hansen will be of some worth to sides like the Bulldogs who have no real tall and experienced forwards because they have the skills to deliver the ball to him on a silver platter.
We don't need a pick 40 or so for Hansen as you have mentioned Bond 007 and I agree with you on that. Bodazoka has mentioned pick upgrades for those we trade this year and I agree with him that that is the best way to go about it this year.
Pick upgrades will be especially valuable over the next few years during the compromised draft period.

Because a player is a hack on our team, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to a hack somewhere else. Each teams style and structure is different and may be more suitable to that player. A different coach may be able to extract better performances from the player we trade also.

Even a small pick upgrade is valuable not only to our draft order but freeing up a space on our main list as well.
 
After our last month of Football questions have to be asked.

Where do we want to be in 3 years time and how are we going to get their?

I think Stenglein & Fletcher should retire at seasons end, meanwhile Wirrpunda & Embley should be offered to play on in 2010.

The likes of Staker, Rosa, Hansen ect have played enough football to know what their going to offer us, we need to make tough decisions to ensure we take the right playing group forward.

Who do you think we should delist/trade at seasons end?
 
Mighty Eagles said:
After our last month of Football questions have to be asked.

Where do we want to be in 3 years time and how are we going to get their?

I think Stenglein & Fletcher should retire at seasons end, meanwhile Wirrpunda & Embley should be offered to play on in 2010.

The likes of Staker, Rosa, Hansen ect have played enough football to know what their going to offer us, we need to make tough decisions to ensure we take the right playing group forward.

Who do you think we should delist/trade at seasons end?
Click to expand...
I think this should be Wirrpanda's Last year M.E
-Embley Is going ok no reason to worry about him yet.
-Stinger = Keep for Experiance Value (he is only 28 atm will turn 29 later in year)
Could only do 1 or 2 of these:
-Staker= an up grade in 2nd round or a straight 3rd Rnd pick.
-Rosa= As Above (see Staker)
-Hansen= As Above (see Staker)
-Spangher= As Above (see Staker) He is different because he still has potentual, Size and Speed and some clubs might be interested in that.
Valuable Trades:
-Butler= Possible Late 2nd Rd Pick (Adel if they make finals) or Upgrade our 2nd Rnd Pick.(Alot of clubs look at him as a player with Ability just had a shocking run with injuries @ 23 he could be Gold)
-Seaby= 3rd Rounder + Mid range WA boy who aint getting game time.(Alot of Clubs have Old ruckman with inexperianced Rucks sitting in Lower Comps that are no good, This should be the angle we use in trade talks eg: Port- Brogan, Lade are the 2 oldest Ruckman in the League and their replacements next year are 4 guys all who have a total of 4 games between them and M.Westhoff has all 4 of them. They have no middle aged Ruckman and Seaby could fit in well as No1 Ruckman and Mentor to the younger ones.
- Daniel Kerr= A first and Second Rnd pick in this Last uncompromised Draft. Needs to go if we are going to be a force again.

Gone:
-Wirra = Gone (His Call though) *Rookie list pick only.
-Fletch = Gone * Rookie List pick only.
-Wilkes= Gone (No reason to keep a player that is 24 and not in the best 22.
Hunter= Shoulder Stuffed Gotta Retire Surely.


So I would go with this:(I can only go on where they are now on Ladder)
*Butler to Adel for their Second round pick (atm) #26
*Seaby to Port for Second Pick #27
*Staker + 3rd Rnd Pick #40 to North for 2nd Rnd Pick #25
*Kerr + Pick #27 (from Port) to Richmond for 1st Rnd Pick #4 + PP #19
*Retire: Fletcher, Hunter and Wirrpanda
*Delist: Wilkes, Bedford and Nicoski

We End up with these picks including ours (according to the Ladder Now)
Pick 2, 4, 6, 19, 24, 25, 26.
7 Picks for Spots on the Senior list.
No Elevations from rookie list.
3 spots +1 xtra on Rookie list as well.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Eagle Ant said:
So I would go with this:(I can only go on where they are now on Ladder)
*Butler to Adel for their Second round pick (atm) #26
*Seaby to Port for Second Pick #27
*Staker + 3rd Rnd Pick #40 to North for 2nd Rnd Pick #25
*Kerr + Pick #27 (from Port) to Richmond for 1st Rnd Pick #4 + PP #19
*Retire: Fletcher, Hunter and Wirrpanda
*Delist: Wilkes, Bedford and Nicoski

We End up with these picks including ours (according to the Ladder Now)
Pick 2, 4, 6, 19, 24, 25, 26.
7 Picks for Spots on the Senior list.
No Elevations from rookie list.
3 spots +1 xtra on Rookie list as well.
Click to expand...

Thats about the only things I like up there, and I doubt we will get those picks for those players looking through the previous two years of traded. If we got #25 and #27 for Seaby and Staker I would be over the moon, Id still like to see them packaged for picks in the first round though... quality over quantity is my view.
 
EA, if you go for all that Davis will be delisted too as its his last year allowed on our Rookie List.

Trading Kerr is outright wrong. Suggesting we trade/delist 3 of our 4 most experienced kids will only screw over those coming through. Talk about dumping the lot of em in the deep end. Theyll be talking about the West Coast midfield that has a combined game count of less than 50(not counting Cox).

Wilkes is good depth and still above Spangher. Has had a good week near on every week in WAFL whereas Spangher has been mildly okay at best.

I dont know where I stand on Butler. Doesn't seem to cut it at the moment. Not sure if any team would be interested in him.

Retire: Wirra(v), Fletch(v)
Delist: Wilson(r), Arrowsmith(r), Stevenson(r), Hansen, McNamara
Trade: Staker, Seaby, Butler

Elevation for Davis leaves us with 4 selections in the ND, and 6 in the RD
 
(sTeeL)
Retire: Wirra(v), Fletch(v)
Delist: Wilson(r), Arrowsmith(r), Stevenson(r), Hansen, McNamara
Trade: Staker, Seaby, Butler


agree with this except McNamara- cause I think he could turn into a good player in the future
 
I personally like him. The coaches dont seem to though. We were desperately short of mature mids last year and this year and he still struggling to get selected... :(
 
RoJo Junior said:
I seriously dont see what everyones deal with Rosa is. Hes been in our best easily the last few weeks, racking up the touches, running hard and rarely turning it over. Thats the role hes meant to play. He got 35 touches, highlighted with his 50m kick to Hunter in the 1st, and people say hes not damaging.

I do realise that you need to trade best 22 players for good picks, but hes a scapegoat despite performing admirably in recent weeks. I just dont get. Especially when we have a distinct lack of outside receiver type players such as him.
Click to expand...

I have to agree - Rosa has had great improvement this year.

Plus his skills are about as good as we have
 
Funny thing is i actually believe there may be a bigger than expected clean out this year.

Seaby, Hansen will be offered for trades.

Staker and Rosa trade maybe not sure there.

Stinger wont be on list next year
Hunter gone no point keeping him.
Fletcher already knows hes gone.

I believe Wirra may not go on now which I think is a mistake I hope that changes before the season ends.

Wilkes and Spangher one probaly needs to go.

Thats probaly around 8 delistings alot more than I thought would be possible.

Thens there Beau Waters who knows with his elbow really not confident there, it will come good again.
 

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

After looking at the last few posts, I thought you guys might find Jimmy The Gent's post from the Contracts thread interesting in terms of thinking how future trades and delisting might be decided. Apparently Fletcher, Spangher, Seaby, Schofield, Houlihan and McGinnity are out of contract this year and having played only 3 games or less each this year, seem to be struggling to earn a spot in the best 22.

Contracted until the end of 2012 (1):
Daniel Kerr – Signed a 3 years extesion (2009, 2010, 2011, 2012) in October 2008.

Contracted until the end of 2011 (13):
Dean Cox - Signed a 4-year deal (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011) in February 2008.
Beau Waters – Signed a 3-year deal (2009, 2010, 2011) in March 2008.
Shannon Hurn – Signed a 3-year deal (2009, 2010, 2011) in April 2008.
Brett Jones – Signed a 3-year deal (2009, 2010, 2011) in May 2008.
Mark LeCras - Signed a 3-year deal (2009, 2010, 2011) in May 2008.
Ashley Hansen - Signed a 3-year deal (2009, 2010, 2011) in May 2008.
Adam Selwood – Signed a 3-year deal (2009, 2010, 2011) in June 2008.
Quinten Lynch – Signed a 3-year deal (2009, 2010, 2011) in July 2008.
Nicholas Naitanui - Believe to have signed a 2-year contract (2009, 2010, 2011) when drafted.
Luke Shuey - Believe to have signed a 3-year contract (2009, 2010, 2011) when drafted.
Thomas Swift - Believe to have signed a 3-year contract (2009, 2010, 2011) when drafted.
Ashley Smith - Believe to have signed a 3-year contract (2009, 2010, 2011) when drafted.
Jordan Jones - Believe to have signed a 3-year contract (2009, 2010, 2011) when drafted.

Contracted until the end of 2010 (9):
Darren Glass – Signed a 3-year deal (2008, 2009, 2010) in May 2007.
Tyson Stenglein – Signed a 3-year deal (2008, 2009, 2010) in June 2007.
Sam Butler – Signed a 2-year deal (2009, 2010) in April 2008.
Ben McKinley - Signed a 2-year contract (2009, 2010) in September 2008.
Brent Staker – Signed a 2-year deal (2009, 2010) in September 2008.
Chris Masten - Believe to have signed a 3-year contract (2008, 2009, 2010) when drafted.
Brad Ebert - Believe to have signed a 3-year contract (2008, 2009, 2010) when drafted.
Tony Notte - Believe to have signed a 3-year contract (2008, 2009, 2010) when drafted.
Scott Selwood - Believe to have signed a 3-year contract (2008, 2009, 2010) when drafted.

Contracted until the end of 2009 (12):
Mark Nicoski – Signed a 2-year deal (2008, 2009) in August 2007.
Andrew Embley – Signed a 3-year deal (2007, 2008, 2009) in March 2006.
Chad Fletcher – Signed a 3-year deal (2007, 2008, 2009) in March 2006.
Adam Hunter – Signed a 2-year extension (2008, 2009) in July 2007.
Matt Priddis – Signed a 2-year deal (2008, 2009) in July 2007.
Matthew Spanger – Offered a 2-year deal (2008, 2009) in July 2007.
Mark Seaby – Signed a 2-year deal (2008, 2009) in September 2007.
David Wirrpanda – Signed a 1 year contract (2009) in October 2008.
Mitchell Brown - Signed a 3-year contract (2007, 2008, 2009) when drafted.
Will Schofield - Signed a 3-year contract (2007, 2008, 2009) when drafted.
Eric Mackenzie - Signed a 3-year contract (2007, 2008, 2009) when drafted.
Tim Houlihan - Signed a 3-year contract (2007, 2008, 2009) when drafted.

Unknown Contracts (5):
Jamie McNamara.
Beau Wilkes.
Josh Kennedy - Believed to be on a 3 year contract (2008, 2009, 2010).
Patrick McGinnity - Believed to be on a 2 year contract (2008, 2009).
Matt Rosa – Believed to be on a 2 year contract (2009, 2010) signed in July 2008.
 
because he is out of contract in 2009 and he is not from wa. if i remember correctly his parents are queenslanders. not to mention he has "scarlett" written all over him and young defenders are pretty hard to find. also i think he played forward in early career in under age comps. i would think he is on the gold coast's radar.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Remove this Banner Ad

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Back
Top Bottom