mids, current mids are too slow. no point getting kpf while brown is there.
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2012 Draft Discussion
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mids, current mids are too slow. no point getting kpf while brown is there.
Gibbo_88
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I'm with you on that. On one hand we have the worst kpp stocks in the afl (I don't feel like i'm even exagerating) but we're lacking that all round classy player that teams have to tag every week. Rich won't be a 30+ possession player and he's the closest thing we have to an A grade midfielder. West coast won a premiership with an average forward line, lets sort out the midfield.
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We have a history of going tall 1st [pick. Am a fan of Longer, but feel overall this has been a failure. Classiest, quick mid 4 me.
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A ruckman a failure in his first year? Wow!
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Well he has played 2 games now, it's time for him to step up and take some leadership!
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I think you guys have misread Bunton there.
It looked to me that he was saying historically, Longer aside, we probably would have been better off overall going with mids over talls with our early picks in recent drafts.
It looked to me that he was saying historically, Longer aside, we probably would have been better off overall going with mids over talls with our early picks in recent drafts.
Yeah, that was my thinking when i read it to. I hardly think Bunton is writing off Longer!
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I thought he meant the overall concept of picking tall with the first pick was the failure not the specific example of Longer from this draft ...
If we get a very early pick in the draft (which we very well might), we need to go for a game breaking midfielder. Polec may become a game breaker but none of our other mids will. A-grade midfields win premierships and make the game infinitely easier for forwards and defenders. A key defender is also more of a requirement than a key forward. If we finish bottom four again, It's probably not beyond the realms of possibility to get a priority pick. But then again, we're not from Melbourne and not an expansion team.
Well we need everything except for a ruckman, and we still might grab one in tE draft depending on what Hudson does next year.
I think we'll go for a midfielder with the first pick. We need to build our midfield depth as quickly as possible. There was a good article on the weekend about how the hawks lacked midfield depth and teams like Carlton had 12-13 players who could run through their midfield & I think we'll look at a similar route.
That being said, we need to start grabbing some KPD and maybe one KPF, depending on how Retz, Ace & Lisle travel this year. KPP take longer to develop than midfielders and my concern with our list at present is the lack of young quality KPP. The last thing I want is for our list to look like Carlton's current list, with a gun midfield but poor defense & forward KPP. Defense wins premierships and thats where we need to start from.
50-50 split of KPP and mids for the next two drafts and then 70-30 mids-KPP after that.
* left out small defenders/forwards as the will get added along the line somewhere.
I think we'll go for a midfielder with the first pick. We need to build our midfield depth as quickly as possible. There was a good article on the weekend about how the hawks lacked midfield depth and teams like Carlton had 12-13 players who could run through their midfield & I think we'll look at a similar route.
That being said, we need to start grabbing some KPD and maybe one KPF, depending on how Retz, Ace & Lisle travel this year. KPP take longer to develop than midfielders and my concern with our list at present is the lack of young quality KPP. The last thing I want is for our list to look like Carlton's current list, with a gun midfield but poor defense & forward KPP. Defense wins premierships and thats where we need to start from.
50-50 split of KPP and mids for the next two drafts and then 70-30 mids-KPP after that.
* left out small defenders/forwards as the will get added along the line somewhere.
I think that Longer and Docherty will also be great additions to our team. Some immediacy would have been nice, I admit, but I don't think that their contribution can be written off just yet.
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Midfielders (age round 1 2013)
Black (33) Going, going, .....
Buchanan (30) Gone
Adcock (27) Seems relegated to a back flack
Zorko (24) Forward pocket with stints in the middle
Hanley (24) Wing, outside player
Polkinghorne (24) Inside player?/ push forward and kick a few
Bewick (23) Wing, outside player
Redden (22) Ruck Rover, inside mid/linkup player
Rich (22) Distributor
Rockliff (22) Inside mid/ pushing forward
Bartlett (21) In and under/break the lines
Beams (21) Inside/ run all day
Harwood (21) Inside
O'Brien (21) Link man
Polec (20) Outside/ break the lines/ get forward and kick goals
Green (20) Inside/ break the lines/ small forward
Crisp (19) Ruck Rover, inside mid/linkup player
Yeo (19) Wing, outside player, break the lines, be creative
Thought I'd list the current midfielders to examine the teams needs. Didn't really help me much.
Probably need another genuine inside mid though and perhaps another finisher/skilled midfielder.
The thing that stands out the most is how young they are especially when you add Leuenberger and Longer.
Black (33) Going, going, .....
Buchanan (30) Gone
Adcock (27) Seems relegated to a back flack
Zorko (24) Forward pocket with stints in the middle
Hanley (24) Wing, outside player
Polkinghorne (24) Inside player?/ push forward and kick a few
Bewick (23) Wing, outside player
Redden (22) Ruck Rover, inside mid/linkup player
Rich (22) Distributor
Rockliff (22) Inside mid/ pushing forward
Bartlett (21) In and under/break the lines
Beams (21) Inside/ run all day
Harwood (21) Inside
O'Brien (21) Link man
Polec (20) Outside/ break the lines/ get forward and kick goals
Green (20) Inside/ break the lines/ small forward
Crisp (19) Ruck Rover, inside mid/linkup player
Yeo (19) Wing, outside player, break the lines, be creative
Thought I'd list the current midfielders to examine the teams needs. Didn't really help me much.
Probably need another genuine inside mid though and perhaps another finisher/skilled midfielder.
The thing that stands out the most is how young they are especially when you add Leuenberger and Longer.
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It does seem like we have plenty of midfield types but what we need an elite midfielder.
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It's so hard to say what our greatest need is at this point. Green, Bartlett and Zorko could drastically change the look of our side if they're able to come in and have an impact. All quick, all can win their own ball, all love to kick a goal, can potentially release Rich to play a little looser.
If these guys come on strongly over the rest of the year, first pick for a top shelf forward like Shaw or trade for Tippett.
If Retzlaff, Cornelius and Lisle show some very positive progress by the end of the year then dynamic all round mid with first pick and maybe if we can manufacture it, compo pick to Gold Coast for zone selected Bourke.
If these guys come on strongly over the rest of the year, first pick for a top shelf forward like Shaw or trade for Tippett.
If Retzlaff, Cornelius and Lisle show some very positive progress by the end of the year then dynamic all round mid with first pick and maybe if we can manufacture it, compo pick to Gold Coast for zone selected Bourke.
Agree absolutely with this. I would add McGrath (either trade or delist) as well. Along with Hawks, Sheldon and Stiller that's four. Also need to be thinking one of the key position younger guys from Acorn and Retzy will need to be turned over if they can't nail a spot by the end of this season, making five in total. We have Staker and Luie back from long term injury list next year so this will need to be considered as well.
So with five gone from the list I would like to see two kp prospects two speedy mids (one that runs of the back line and one that can go forward) and one ruck.
Toffee Lion
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Yeo, Beams, Bartlett, Zorko, Green.
Shakes up our midfield by quite a bit.
Even Docherty could push up the ground with Hanley.
Though;
Players like Bewick, O'Brien, Polkinghorne and maybe Harwood.
Could easily be replaced with a couple of round 1 draft pick midfielders if they don't improve significantly in the next year or two.
Our KPP stocks are limited though but I feel we need to stop using our first round picks and take a look at other clubs who use their mid-late picks on the bigger bodies.
Shakes up our midfield by quite a bit.
Even Docherty could push up the ground with Hanley.
Though;
Players like Bewick, O'Brien, Polkinghorne and maybe Harwood.
Could easily be replaced with a couple of round 1 draft pick midfielders if they don't improve significantly in the next year or two.
Our KPP stocks are limited though but I feel we need to stop using our first round picks and take a look at other clubs who use their mid-late picks on the bigger bodies.
Agree Beamstar! First round draft picks on talls is very risky. Our midfield is shallow, we have a number of likely types but none of them are really able to get a start in one of the lowest teams in the competition. Talk of Green seems to be consistent but i have seen nothing to think he would be able to develop into a long term midfielder. Harwood is also a concern, are these blokes genuine AFL players or are the genuine list cloggers. Elite midfield talent with our first round picks from now on please!
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Leuy LongerCombo
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I’m one for best available option at this stage (minus Ruckman) If the best KPF is taken or there not one worthy of a premium pick I would prefer not to pick one just for the sake of having one. Ideally I would like us to draft a KPF thou
We have to remember that were not drafting for next year alone were drafting for the 5years time.
Key position players take 4+ years to find their feet so we really need to get one and start to develop.
I think we should put a larger investment on arguably the most important player. Our current Investment where taken with pick 50 for Lisle, 57 for ACE, 84 for Retzlaff.
As stated previously I don’t want to have a premium midfield, and waiting for a forwards to develop. They really need to be hitting their straps at the same time.
A potential Drafting model I would like to follow would be something like
2012
First Pick (Top 7) : Key Position Forward (if available)
Compensation pick (23) : Another Mid (either a quick mid or a good clearance player, Zaharakis / Simon Black types)
Second Pick (30) : Key Position Defender.
2013 First Pick quality Mid
2014 First Pick quality Mid
Midfielders can come in and have an immediate impact,
Some quality Mids picked up with Mid first round picks recently. (most likely where we will be drafting from)
2006 #7 Selwood
2007 #10 Dangerfield
2008 #11 Sidebottom
We could use the remainder of picks in the 2013/14 draft to fill some holes such as Small Forward, Defenders, Midfield depth etc
We do really need a strong midfield, having used major resources on Leunberger and Longer we really need to take advantage of these two as a potential strength of the side. As stated a good midfield takes pressure off the defence and can help the forwards.
(I know that’s it’s all academic and drafting isn’t an exact science, example can be made where top picks have failed and later picks have succeeded but think we really need to go by past trends and hope for the best, i'd prefer this to hoping we get lucky with long shots. )
We have to remember that were not drafting for next year alone were drafting for the 5years time.
Key position players take 4+ years to find their feet so we really need to get one and start to develop.
I think we should put a larger investment on arguably the most important player. Our current Investment where taken with pick 50 for Lisle, 57 for ACE, 84 for Retzlaff.
As stated previously I don’t want to have a premium midfield, and waiting for a forwards to develop. They really need to be hitting their straps at the same time.
A potential Drafting model I would like to follow would be something like
2012
First Pick (Top 7) : Key Position Forward (if available)
Compensation pick (23) : Another Mid (either a quick mid or a good clearance player, Zaharakis / Simon Black types)
Second Pick (30) : Key Position Defender.
2013 First Pick quality Mid
2014 First Pick quality Mid
Midfielders can come in and have an immediate impact,
Some quality Mids picked up with Mid first round picks recently. (most likely where we will be drafting from)
2006 #7 Selwood
2007 #10 Dangerfield
2008 #11 Sidebottom
We could use the remainder of picks in the 2013/14 draft to fill some holes such as Small Forward, Defenders, Midfield depth etc
We do really need a strong midfield, having used major resources on Leunberger and Longer we really need to take advantage of these two as a potential strength of the side. As stated a good midfield takes pressure off the defence and can help the forwards.
(I know that’s it’s all academic and drafting isn’t an exact science, example can be made where top picks have failed and later picks have succeeded but think we really need to go by past trends and hope for the best, i'd prefer this to hoping we get lucky with long shots. )
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If only GWS didn't steal Toby Greene from us
Hollow Knight
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Please... a first year midfielder is not the difference between success and failure this year. You don't draft for instant results.
This is realistically the year we would reasonably expecting our 2008 and 2009 draft class to start making their mark.
Let's let Docherty and Longer have a couple of pre-seasons before we swallow the hemlock.
This is realistically the year we would reasonably expecting our 2008 and 2009 draft class to start making their mark.
Let's let Docherty and Longer have a couple of pre-seasons before we swallow the hemlock.
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Didn't say they don't have an impact. Just that it seems a strange thing to decry this early in the piece as though it is some massive clanger that has set us back.
I am not sure why this forum believes we should pick up a KPF. Brisbane's current major problem is the midfield and there are several issues. The major issue in the midfield is work rate. If I compare Brisbane against all sides, this is where the difference is. Work rate will fix disposal and composure. The reason why Brisbane always look rushed is because they have not been coached what it takes in 2012 in relation to work rate.
This work rate is reflective with our forward players. As the midfield is always rushed, this leads into our side not hitting targets in forward line. We have several KPF on our list. Brisbane will not know how good they will be while the delivery is so poor.
The only way to fix this is to get more pace in the midfield, this will leads to greater work rate, fixing disposal and composure when delivering the ball inside 50.
Drafting KPF to take Browns spot while the midfield has bad work rate will achieve absolutely nothing in my eyes.
Vossy- Read this.... Work Rate is your answer.
