NFL 2012 NFL Draft - Discussion

[Dirty Bird]

Atlanta are set to make CB Asante Samuel a Falcon it seems.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...ing-atlanta-falcons?module=HP11_breaking_news

Phiggles trade Samuels to the Falcons for a 7th round pick.

Hilarious considering last year that were that close to getting two second day picks from Detroit

OMG, ****ing worth it.
Just covered the Falcons biggest need IMO with that trade (nickleback).

Can now play man on man, and eliminate those gaping holes in our zone that the Bears, Packers and Giants were very easily able to exploit last years

 

[Dirty Bird]

Imo browns go Blackmon and martin. They could go Richardson Wright but the first one sounds better.

Both are equal with each other........But I can see Martin being available at 22, Wright could go before hand, hence why I beleive they should go Blackmon and Martin. Besides Blackmon and Wright, I don't see many WR's who'd work with Colt McCoy at QB. Maybe Flloyd, and perhaps a late draft risk on Shoemaker, but even then, they're not the best for this scheme.

I just believe that Doug Martin is being severly underrated in this draft. if at 22 I'd hand the card up in half a second.

Ill be honest with you, I'd CONSIDER taking him at 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 18 and 21. (Only reason I'd pass on them is that there's strong talent in other positions that are greater needs)
But if at 22, I'd snap him up in a heartbeat, I wouldn't even toss it up lik I would the others.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Richardson, Hill/Wright, Weedon - the 'we want to score' draft

Prbably the perfect draft for the Browns IMO.......But I just can't see Hill being available at 22, and I don't believe that Wright is a good fit, hence why I'd go Blackmon and Martin, followed by Weedon in the 2nd.

 

[catters078]

if tampa do go left field and draft Kuechly or even Cox, how far might claiborne fall?

could he slip to 10??

Vikings-Kalil
Browns-Richardson
Bucs- Kuechly or Cox
Rams- Blackmon
Jags- Floyd
Dolphins- Tannehill
Panthers- Cox or Kuechly
Bills-Claiborne

??

COULD that happen or is he too good to slip that far? He would clearly be the BPA..but could teams go need if they think the talents are close

Perhaps a team would offer the jags a heap to get to pick 7 to get him..

 

[Sticks_Of_Fury]

Prbably the perfect draft for the Browns IMO.......But I just can't see Hill being available at 22, and I don't believe that Wright is a good fit, hence why I'd go Blackmon and Martin, followed by Weedon in the 2nd.

I don't think the browns will look at Hill. The Browns coaches and head office need to start winning next year otherwise their jobs will be in trouble. Hill seems to be a project and it might take him a while to get going. We need to know as soon as possible about McCoy or any other QB so I think we will go after the safest pro ready WR that we can find. Heckert also said last year that he wanted the first pick to be a safe, pug and play type prospect, Hill dosen't seem to be that player.

 

[aussiedude]

Asante Samuel is a steel for the Falcons at a 7th round pick.

even though i expected that when the eagles got DRC and Asomugha. huge pick up from the falcons. patches up a big hole in the D

 

[Dagless]

Asante Samuel is a steel for the Falcons at a 7th round pick.

even though i expected that when the eagles got DRC and Asomugha. huge pick up from the falcons. patches up a big hole in the D

Only thought nickel formation was an issue tbh, Grimes and Robinson as a 1-2 were pretty adequate.

 

[Woodson]

Woodson I cant see Luke Kuechly on the Associated Press Mock.

Surely a serious omission.

That's right, they totally overlooked him but y'know that we can be never be sure if each scribe had a short list of names and Kuechly may have been #2 in the 10-20 bracket of team scribes. I'm sure he'll go in that mid-range bracket once the big boys sought their charts out come tommorrow.

Who likes my chances of nailing ten after the first two? (12)

 

[Dirty Bird]

I don't think the browns will look at Hill. The Browns coaches and head office need to start winning next year otherwise their jobs will be in trouble. Hill seems to be a project and it might take him a while to get going. We need to know as soon as possible about McCoy or any other QB so I think we will go after the safest pro ready WR that we can find. Heckert also said last year that he wanted the first pick to be a safe, pug and play type prospect, Hill dosen't seem to be that player.

Hill's like Titus Young.
May not be the best possession receiver yet, but can just make do with speed for now.
If McCoy is your QB, I wouldn't even look at Hill, but if you can get Weedon, do it. Get it over the Defence rather than through it.

Only thought nickel formation was an issue tbh, Grimes and Robinson as a 1-2 were pretty adequate.

Agreed. This covers one of the Falcons major needs.
I know I had conversations last year with STO about how desperate I was for Scrabble, we NEEDED an extra corner back so we could move Grimes to nickleback, we were too thin there, and it really showed this past season when the likes of Franks and Owens would get eaten for breakfast.

I probably would of traded a 3rd for Samuel (Though, I would of been hesitant there considering our lack of draft picks at the top end this year), let alone a 7th round pick.

Covers one of our biggest needs.
Going into this year I felt we needed.
1) CB
2) S
3) LT
4) Another Safety
5) RE
6) TE

We've covered our biggest need now.

Personally, I hope the Falcons now trade down in the 2nd and try and get 3 picks in the 3rd or there abouts. I'd love to get my hands on Orson Charles, Nate Potter and George Iloka

 

[Dagless]

Eh, don't think a nickel CB is worth a third. Definitely a seventh though

 

[catters078]

That's right, they totally overlooked him but y'know that we can be never be sure if each scribe had a short list of names and Kuechly may have been #2 in the 10-20 bracket of team scribes. I'm sure he'll go in that mid-range bracket once the big boys sought their charts out come tommorrow.

Who likes my chances of nailing ten after the first two? (12)

I like your picks from 3-12, only main one id change is coples for COX.

Panthers need a DT and i think Cox is the best in the draft. seems to have less ???'s than coples as well.

Barron-Berry safety combo That may be to sexy for the chiefs to pass up.

 

[exe ex machina]

I agree with DB about the 'perfect' Browns draft being: Blackmon, D.Martin, Weeden.

The Browns lack talent on offense badly. They already have a killer LT (Thomas) and can find themselves capable RTs later in the draft or UDFA/FA (they have like 50 million picks in the draft). The offense needs firepower and excitement. Like Panthers bringing Cam Newton in. Re-vitalizes the franchise, the fans. Browns need that.

 

[Dirty Bird]

I agree with DB about the 'perfect' Browns draft being: Blackmon, D.Martin, Weeden.

I didn't say that.
I said the perfect draft was RIchardson, Hill and Weeden.

I just cant see Hill being available at pick 22, and I rate Martin + Blackmon over Richardson + Wright hence why I'd Go Blackmon, Martin then Weeden.

 

[Chris25]

Blackmon is the #1 WR in the draft, but I don't think he necessarily stacks up to #1 WRs from previous years. I know some people think he does compare very well. But I just think there are options in the second/third rounds which suit our game just as much as he does. And options who have the potential to be #1 guys too.

Ultimately, I don't think we'll stay at #22 and #37. Something will happen with those picks. But assuming we stay there...

#4 - Blackmon
#22 - Martin
#37 - Weedon

#4 - Richardson
#22 - best available player
#37 - Randle

The second just looks better to me.



*If we draft Blackmon tomorrow, I will instantly become his #1 fan. And he will be the greatest player ever.

 

[Woodson]

I like your picks from 3-12, only main one id change is coples for COX.

Panthers need a DT and i think Cox is the best in the draft. seems to have less ???'s than coples as well.

Barron-Berry safety combo That may be to sexy for the chiefs to pass up.

I was flipping and flopping on that one reading many previews and what not. Coples has a questionable motor to one scribe which made me leave him out
in a previous mock. Admittedly I don't get to watch much College games and basically do all my homework from the write ups / forums and you tube clips.

The Chiefs have gotta snaffle Barron, surely!! With so many teams needing
a safety labeled in the ilk of Polamalu quality, the Bills would seriously consider him to combat the Pats TE arsenal.

 

[exe ex machina]

Well, do we at least all agree that from the first three Browns picks they "should" end up with a RB, WR, and Weeden?

I think Weeden is perfect for the Browns, he "should" end up beating out McCoy, he has a big arm, pro-ready. Then it's just a matter of getting a WR and RB from the 1st round.

I don't think Hill is good for the Browns either right away. He's basically what we got from DHB the first two-three years. He'll need a lot of polish to improve his route-running (which can take a couple years, learning how to sell the routes before the cuts, pro CBs are far more savvy), and will need time to learn more routes than his staple go and post/corner routes.

They can find a speedy deep threat who needs polish like Hill in the later rounds. For now, they need a big target. Guys like Michael Floyd, Marvin Jones would be great. Big bodies for the Flanker (#1) role, red-zone target, chain mover. They'll have the Jags to watch out for too.

They have a ton of picks too, so they could trade a bunch of them to move back up into the 2nd and get both Weeden and Jones, after getting Richardson and whomever at #22 that could address another need (like CB).

 

[Dirty Bird]

Blackmon is the #1 WR in the draft, but I don't think he necessarily stacks up to #1 WRs from previous years. I know some people think he does compare very well. But I just think there are options in the second/third rounds which suit our game just as much as he does. And options who have the potential to be #1 guys too.

Ultimately, I don't think we'll stay at #22 and #37. Something will happen with those picks. But assuming we stay there...

#4 - Blackmon
#22 - Martin
#37 - Weedon

#4 - Richardson
#22 - best available player
#37 - Randle

The second just looks better to me.



*If we draft Blackmon tomorrow, I will instantly become his #1 fan. And he will be the greatest player ever.

Look at Randle's production vs good defences last season

4 games, 8 catch, 54 yards, 1 touchdown

You really think someone with that sort of production vs good defences will be able to do shit vs the Steelers or Ravens as a start?

As much as I think Richardson will be good, unless you're going to get Flloyd or Hill at pick 22, I'm taking Blackmon at #4 in a heartbeat. Even if Martin gets taken, you can still look at Wilson at 22, or Pead later on, and if you want to go the explosive route, you could just trade down from 22 and acquire a shitload of picks trading down a few times and grab James. Heck even taking Rainey later is tempting, he's a workhorse with a massive tank like Richardson, sure, not as explosive, but he can act as a power back to just make Ds respect the run, and he can take the brute force of the Steelers or Ravens head on.

There's alot more star potential in my eyes at running back than wide receiver. THere's only 4 WR's in this draft good enough in their own way that I'd want Atlanta to acquire if they could (and 3 of those should be taken before pick 22, while the other will only work as a possession receiver in a short passing attack like the Falcons)

 

[Chris25]

Eh, I'm not bothered by Randle's stats. I like him.

I need to stop thinking about the draft, just get more confused. I've convinced myself that we'll wait for a WR and HB. But then I've also convinced myself we'll draft Richardson and trade up for Floyd. Can't wait until tomorrow is over. The other rounds will be much simpler once we get an idea of the direction we're headed.

 

[catters078]

My take on the browns

pick 4-Richardson
pick 22-Wright (or Hill)
pick 37 (or trade up if needed) Mike Adams

 

[Dirty Bird]

Wright's overrated and not worthy of a 1st round pick
Hill will not work with McCoy at QB, he will only work with Weeden (Or perhaps, just perhaps, Tannehill as his QB and even them I have my doubts.)

If the Browns are to keep McCoy at QB, IMO there's only 2 options.

1) Blackmon + Martin
2) Richardson + Trade up for Floyd

 

[Chris25]

Or Claiborne...

Our whole draft will be dictated by whether we have a pick saved for Weedon or not.

 

[Dirty Bird]

I could actually see that.

Imagine the DB duo of Haden and Clairborne.
Give Weeden the running back of Martin, then the average weapons of Charles (3rd?) and Shoemaker (6th?) later in the draft.

Could be a chance in 2012 to succeed with those 5.

 

[exe ex machina]

The important/hopeful thing is, the Browns are in such a great position in this draft. They have two excellently situated 1sts, and always at the top of each round, and a total of 13 (?) picks, enough to trade back up into whatever round.

I'm sick of seeing the Browns being also-rans in the AFC North. Would be great to have the Browns highly competitive in their division, but also to see a lot of speed and athletic talent/firepower on offense. Players who make them exciting to want to watch even if they still struggle to win games for a year as they rebuild and gain chemistry with each other.

 

[Chris25]

Whatever we do, I'll be happy.

We wont be able to screw up. Although that probably wont stop people from claiming we did.

 

[exe ex machina]

Sick of the Steelers/Ravens. A division dominated by the two Ohio teams would be a good change. Sick of the usual strong teams. Would be good to have teams like Bills, Dolphins, Browns, Bengals, Jaguars, Texans, Raiders, Chiefs, Redskins, Lions, Panthers, Rams as the dominant teams for 5-10 years.

So, here's to the Browns being the first cab off the rank in that regard with a strong draft. I'll miss the first round due to work, but will be getting smashed at home on the weekend watching the rest of the way.