NFL 2012 NFL Draft - Discussion

[ROSEMVP]

The Browns are morons.

Wasted picks to move up 1 spot for Richardson. Who Minny were never going to pick. Then they draft a old man qb late in the 1st. Give me Colt McCoy anyday. Hope Colt can get to Denver and learn under Peyton somehow.

 

[Chris25]

The Browns are morons.

Wasted picks to move up 1 spot for Richardson. Who Minny were never going to pick.

If I didn't hate that face palm picture, I'd be using it right now.

 

[Sven]

Alternatively, we could have hired Kevin Kolb or Carson Palmer. Oh. Wait.

T-jack is a perfectly adequate backup, who is being paid backup money.

As to the draft ... Dwight Freeney mark II, maybe

Yeah, all the kid can do is rush the passer and take their head off. OK. When we need the run stopped, thats what Red is for.

T-Jack is a pretty solid backup and not bad as a change of pace option during a game. Similar to what Tebow offers the Jets. He has proven he isn't starting quality though.

 

[Sven]

The Browns are morons.

Wasted picks to move up 1 spot for Richardson. Who Minny were never going to pick. Then they draft a old man qb late in the 1st. Give me Colt McCoy anyday. Hope Colt can get to Denver and learn under Peyton somehow.

The Browns seem pretty keen to move on from Colt McCoy - looks like he never had a chance at the Browns. The latest in an ever increasing list it would seem.

Colt McCoy's days with the Browns appear to be numbered. In fact, his hours might be numbered.

Browns GM Tom Heckert admitted as much when he addressed the media at the conclusion of Thursday's first round of the draft. The Browns used the second pick in the round, No. 22 overall, to select Oklahoma quarterback Brandon Weeden.

When asked if he would try to trade McCoy over the next two days of the draft, Heckert said, "It's something we'll talk about tonight and tomorrow." He added that the Browns could possibly move up from their next pick at No. 37 to the top of the second round.

source: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/04/richardson_sets_cleveland_reco.html

 

[exe ex machina]

A ton of interesting tidbits and info on Rotoworld

For instance...

The Rams reportedly had WR A.J. Jenkins rated so highly that his grade was nearly equal to Justin Blackmon's on their draft board.
St. Louis appears to be the team that had Jenkins rated ahead of Michael Floyd, as reported by SI.com's Peter King. That being the case, it's hard to fault the 49ers for jumping on Jenkins. The Rams would have pulled the trigger at No. 33, No. 39, or No. 45 on Friday.

According to Yahoo! Sports' Mike Silver, Rams coach Jeff Fisher slammed his eyeglasses to the table and uttered a one-syllable expletive when the Jaguars traded up to grab WR Justin Blackmon.
Jaguars fans have to love this report. The Rams were originally hoping Trent Richardson would fall to No. 6, as they believed him to be "a potential star with rare talent." Once Richardson was off the board, the Rams had "no interest" in LT Matt Kalil, instead believing they would land Blackmon as a weapon for Sam Bradford. Hence Fisher's disappointment. Preferring Michael Brockers to Fletcher Cox because of the former's "power and relentlessness," the Rams war room erupted when the LSU defensive tackle made it to No. 14.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Browns were targeting Baylor WR Kendall Wright at No. 22, only going with QB Brandon Weeden as a fallback option.
The Browns were "bummed" that the Titans grabbed Wright, leaving them to reach for the oldest player ever selected in the common NFL draft. Drafting Weeden early also allowed the highest-rated guard in the draft to fall into Pittsburgh's laps at No. 24. After speaking with many scouts, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's Bob McGinn "can't fathom" how Weeden went 22nd. "Just seems [a] wasted pick," adds McGinn.

 

[Dirty Bird]

If I didn't hate that face palm picture, I'd be using it right now.

The Browns seem pretty keen to move on from Colt McCoy - looks like he never had a chance at the Browns. The latest in an ever increasing list it would seem.



source: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/04/richardson_sets_cleveland_reco.html

Dont waste your time.
You're speaking to not only a troll, but a moron too.
You could explain why he's wrong and he'll still come back with something stupid without learning a thing.

Check out some of his crap on the Wrestling and Basketball boards.

His best quote going around is a sig on a basketball regulars account.

SOmething about him saying CPIII is the most overrated player in the NBA, just ahead of Kevin Durant.

 

[exe ex machina]

Mixed feelings for the Rams from the above...

They desperately wanted WR, missed out on Blackmon, so pissed off, but thought they'd get Jenkins top of the 2nd, but got gazumped by the Niners. In the meantime, feeling good they good Brockers.

Same can be said for pissed feelings with other teams who traded up and gazumped other teams on a player they were keen on. A lot of trading up/down = a lot of gazumping going on.

Love the high drama.

Looks like I'll miss day two now. But hopefully day three (rounds 4-7) i'll be free.

Btw, I know gazumped is the wrong word.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Claiborne on the Wonderlic test:

No. 6 pick CB Morris Claiborne says he completed only 15-to-18 of the 50 questions on the Wonderlic test at the Combine, leading to his score of four.
"I came to the Combine for football," Claiborne said. "I looked at the test, and wasn’t any questions about football. I didn’t see no point in the test. I’m not in school anymore. I didn’t complete it." Claiborne's score made waves before it was revealed he suffers from a learning disability. The whole episode appears to have had little, if any, effect on his draft stock.

 

[Sticks_Of_Fury]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Browns were targeting Baylor WR Kendall Wright at No. 22, only going with QB Brandon Weeden as a fallback option.
The Browns were "bummed" that the Titans grabbed Wright, leaving them to reach for the oldest player ever selected in the common NFL draft. Drafting Weeden early also allowed the highest-rated guard in the draft to fall into Pittsburgh's laps at No. 24. After speaking with many scouts, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's Bob McGinn "can't fathom" how Weeden went 22nd. "Just seems [a] wasted pick," adds McGinn.

I have read a few comments saying the browns "panicked" when Wright went off the board. I really can't see that being the case, they were obviously keen on Wright and Weeden and when Wright was gone they took their next best player in Weeden. Not really an issue in my opinion happens all the time and all through the draft. I think they should of waited until the second as well but you cant get every player exactly where they are "supposed" to be drafted.

 

[Chris25]

Exactly. If your #1 is gone, then you pick your #2. Pretty simple really.

 

[Woodson]

I hate that the Steelers got DeCastro and, to a lesser extent, that the Packers got Perry.

The Browns continue to make stupid moves (both trading up for Richardson and taking Weeden at #22 aren't smart imo) makes me happy though

Not impressed that your belovered Ravens were sitting on their hands eh?

If the Cowboys are game enough to swoop on their targets, no reason why the Ravens couldn't pull off the same stunt.

As for the Browns, they wanted to secure Richardson lock stock & barrell, with no last minute trap doors slips ups courtesy of the Vikes.

I also found their #22 selection a startling surprise but in saying that, it went a long way in firming the Steelers hopes in landing their targeted preferences. Time will tell if pick # was worthwhile. Undrafted players may well blossom moreso than drafted players during camp.

The draft will forever have much of the selected players missing the final cut
so it's all a matter of hoping for the best for the selected players. To think some of the greatest stories/ players are the long shots nobody saw coming is what makes the NFL Draft an over celebrated event (with no guarantees whatsoever). Good Luck to the seasoned rookies getting a late shot at making the big time.

 

[wce_all_da_way]

Hmm Coples eh? Well he looks like a beast. Will definitely sure up the DL for awhile with Wilkerson from last year. Still big needs at OLB, S, WR and OL.

 

[Iason]

Hmm Coples eh? Well he looks like a beast. Will definitely sure up the DL for awhile with Wilkerson from last year. Still big needs at OLB, S, WR and OL.

I'm thrilled the Jags didn't take him, as he was projected to go to us on a lot of early mocks. His attitude and work ethic are awful. Friend of mine who is a UNC alum and a Jets fan texted me this last night.

"****".

 

[ducksyahoo]

Trent Richardson Highlight tape wow man

http://www.beastfitnation.com/cleve...grab-rb-trent-richardson-at-3-highlight-tape/

 

[exe ex machina]

Re: Trent Richardson Highlight tape wow man

First round fury gives glimpse into future drafts + the end of mock drafts?

Something was happening. It was another trade -- the third of the evening -- and the 2012 NFL Draft hadn't even reached the sixth pick. But this time, nobody had any idea what to expect. Nobody knew which team. Nobody knew why.

"Oh, I was sweating it," laughed Miami Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland during a midnight phone call, still riding the high of his selection of quarterback Ryan Tannehill at No. 8, two spots after the first round's biggest shocker of a trade.

But after 30 very stressful seconds for Ireland, we'd eventually learn Miami had no reason to fret, that the Dallas Cowboys were instead making an unexpected jump to the top of the draft in order to beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to cornerback Morris Claiborne.

Craziness? Oh, yes. The first round of the draft had plenty of that -- 14 of the 32 picks changed hands by night's end. And it might very well be our first clear indication of a new set of expectations for years to come. Prepare yourselves, people. The era of mock drafts might be coming to an end.

Predictability is out the window.

While Ireland noted the craziness of the first round might have been partly due to the sheer talent at the top of the board, he also agreed with another theory thrown his way: Might this be the result of the new rookie wage scale?

"I think that has something to do with it," Ireland said. "Over the years, nobody has wanted to pay the price for the player at the top -- not just the price to get up there but the financial cost."

Suddenly, picks are like chess pieces. They can be maneuvered with less monetary implications, allowing more teams to vault themselves toward the top to position themselves to get a great player at a position of need.

At times, in the days of $50 million rookie contracts, it almost felt like some teams at the top of the draft were in a detrimental spot, forced to pay for a player that might not (a) be worth the loot, or (b) fill an immediate need. And finding a suitor to do the same, naturally, was next to impossible.

The Bucs, of course, still got a very solid player in safety Mark Barron despite a mad scramble to pick a player after spending more than nine of their 10 minutes making a decision in the wake of the Cowboys' move for Claiborne. And really, if you just handed someone a piece of paper with the order of the players drafted, it probably wouldn't surprise anyone.

But go scour the Internet for a mock draft that was even close to correct. You'd have as much luck finding a perfect bracket from this year's NCAA Tournament. If this keeps up -- and it very well might -- the idea of a mock draft might be as foolish of an exercise as ever before.

Not only will it require the typical rampant speculation of a team's desires matched with a player's ability, it will also require trade scenarios throughout the round. Have fun with that. And smokescreens? Prepare for a future filled with more than ever leading up to the draft.

Mock drafts, of course, are hardly the most important aspect of this new trend. Instead, we're talking about a period when the most savvy general managers -- those capable of navigating the possibilities with creativity -- will be the ones who ultimately get what they want.

That creativity should make for some fun times in future years, providing drama on the first day of the draft like we've never seen before Thursday night.

Consider this: With the eighth pick, the Dolphins were the first team other than Indianapolis at No. 1 to pick in their original spot. Everyone, including Ireland, was left watching the madness unfold one pick at a time. Fun for the rest of us, sure. But not always fun for the people making the picks.

At one point, when it became clear the Rams were trading their No. 6 pick, Ireland dialed his team representative in New York to get a vibe of the action. Each team rep sits at a different table near the stage at Radio City Music Hall, and when a trade occurs, the team making the trade must walk to the table of the trade partner.

"So I'm talking to our guy, and he's giving me the play-by-play of where the Rams are walking, which would tell us who they were trading with," Ireland said.

First, it looked like the Rams' representative was stopping at Kansas City's table. Then, it looked like it was going to be Arizona's table. Ireland pegged both teams as spots that might want a quarterback like Tannehill -- creating some serious sweat for 30 seconds.

"Well, which is it?!" Ireland scoffed.

Finally, the Rams stopped at the Cowboys' table.

For Ireland, the craziness of the day was just about over. Two picks later, he'd land Tannehill. But perhaps as long as the new rookie wage scale remains a part of the game, the craziness for years to come is just getting started.

The first round of the draft might now be less predictable than ever before.

 

[exe ex machina]

Re: Trent Richardson Highlight tape wow man

Darlington from NFL.com: winners and losers...

Winners right off the bat

• Vikings trade down one spot, still get the player they wanted: General manager Rick Spielman found a willing trade partner in the Cleveland Browns, who sought running back Trent Richardson so fervently that they sent Minnesota picks in the fourth, fifth and seventh rounds to secure the 2011 Doak Walker Award winner's services. Spielman later used a different fourth-rounder to move up into the late first and grab Harrison Smith -- the second-best safety in the draft. Having those extra picks from Cleveland allowed the Vikings to move up later without feeling they'd lost their chance to build depth. And of course, they got still a prospect they coveted all along in USC left tackle Matt Kalil. Cleveland teetered on the edge of giving up too much to move up for Richardson, but keeping all of their top 100 picks kept them from falling off that cliff.

• Pittsburgh Steelers select OG David DeCastro at No. 24: Once again, GM Kevin Colbert sits back and waits for talent to fall into his lap -- and there's DeCastro ready for the call. The Steelers have needed more mobile guards for some time, and this All-American's ability to block on the move inside and outside makes him a fantastic get in the later stages of round one. Pittsburgh found a perennial Pro Bowler in Alan Faneca with the 26th pick in the 1998 draft, and DeCastro's a very similar player.

• San Diego Chargers snag OLB/DE Melvin Ingram with the 18th pick: Ingram's a top-10 talent in this draft because of his playmaking ability, and he has experience rushing the passer from a stand-up position -- especially during his nine-sack junior season. With former mid-first-round pick Larry English not making as strong an impact as San Diego anticipated, Ingram's infusion of hustle, strength and agility are desperately needed on a team that averaged just two sacks a game last year (ranking 23rd in the league).

• New England moves up twice, nabbing DE/OLB Chandler Jones (21), ILB Dont'a Hightower (25): Bill Belichick knew that the Patriots' front seven absolutely needed to be addressed early and often in this draft. Instead of hoping that two of the top players on their board would last until their initial picks at 27 and 31, they gave up late-third and mid-fourth-round picks to secure the promising Jones and versatile Hightower. Both can stay on the field no matter what formation the coaching staff calls up, harassing the quarterback and also playing the run very well. Look for New England to trade out of one of their two second-round selections to gain additional picks a bit later in the draft. (Because of various trades even before Thursday's heavy action, their last scheduled pick as of right now comes at No. 62.)

Losers for now, but time will tell

• Dallas Cowboys give up second-rounder to move up for CB Morris Claiborne: In few cases does giving away a top-50 pick to move up in the first round result in a winning situation. In fact, here are some of the players in recent memory whom teams traded into the sixth overall pick to acquire: DT Ryan Sims (Kansas City, 2002), DT Johnathan Sullivan (New Orleans, 2003), TE Kellen Winslow II (Tampa Bay, 2004). And of course, Atlanta took WR Julio Jones sixth after a bold, draft-day trade last year. If Claiborne turns out to be a Pro Bowler, then I'll be proven wrong. But staying at No. 14 could have netted Dallas another talented cornerback in Dre Kirkpatrick, while still keeping the second-round pick that could've become another down-the-line starter at receiver or defensive end.

• San Francisco 49ers surprise everyone with WR A.J. Jenkins at No. 30: Jenkins is a very good receiver who might start at the next level. The question here is whether his value justified the selection. In one of the deeper receiver drafts in recent memory, finding a potentially dominant guard like Amini Silatolu to fill out San Francisco's line or a pass rusher might have been more beneficial at that spot. Jenkins does have 4.4 speed, but his size is only average (6-1, 190). Rueben Randle and Stephen Hill likely received higher grades from most teams, and third-round prospects Marvin Jones, Nick Toon and DeVier Posey may wind up having similar careers to Jenkins.

• Tennessee Titans take WR Kendall Wright with the 20th pick: Many people think Wright projects as a big-time playmaker at the next level. But ask yourself this: How many 5-10 vertical threats not named Steve Smith or DeSean Jackson are there in the NFL? Like the Niners, Tennessee could've found a steal in the third or fourth round at receiver. The Titans had even more options than San Francisco at that pick, as they had a chance to select a possible Pro Bowl center in DeCastro -- I believe he could make the switch from guard to the pivot -- or a pass rusher like Jones or Whitney Mercilus.

Next year, will he say, "how many 5-10 vertical threats not named Steve Smith, DeSean Jackson or Kendall Wright are there in the NFL?" when judging the 2013 first round?

From a 'draft value' sense, agree with his opinion about the Niners and Jenkins, they already stock-piled with WRs in FA, and there's a ton of WRs out there. They could've addressed something else.

Likewise, Claiborne is a great get, but they could've stayed put for Kirkpatrick and still had a 14th in the 2nd round.

Meanwhile, Mike Mayock's "winners"...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...ock-tips-nfl-draft-cap-to-four-movers-shakers

snippet

Mayock's winners after Thursday night's first round are as follows (in no particular order): the Jacksonville Jaguars, New England Patriots, Minnesota Vikings and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The common theme among all these teams is that none of them stood pat. All were involved in draft-day trades.

 

[drd23]

Re: Trent Richardson Highlight tape wow man

Has anyone else seen this:

The 2012 Draft: Picture Analysis

Basically, the guy has replaced written draft grades/analysis with gifs. Some of the best imo are:

2. Washington Redskins - Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor

6. Dallas Cowboys - Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

15. Seattle Seahawks - Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB, West Virginia

22. Cleveland Browns - Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State

and many more

24. Pittsburgh Steelers - David DeCastro, OG, Stanford

I'd strongly suggest you check it out

 

[exe ex machina]

Re: Trent Richardson Highlight tape wow man

ESPN

NFLN

 

[Shade]

Re: Trent Richardson Highlight tape wow man

Get fleener cmon

 

[Shade]

Re: Trent Richardson Highlight tape wow man

yes Luck to Fleener

 

[Toadvine]

Re: Trent Richardson Highlight tape wow man

Ravens using all of there time....

 

[exe ex machina]

Re: Trent Richardson Highlight tape wow man

three great picks....quick, fleener, upshaw.

ravens did well trading down to here and getting upshaw.

 

[Brasher]

Re: Trent Richardson Highlight tape wow man

From a 'draft value' sense, agree with his opinion about the Niners and Jenkins, they already stock-piled with WRs in FA, and there's a ton of WRs out there. They could've addressed something else.

I love these winners and losers articles.

Definition of draft day winner: pick a player in the round projected by the media in an area of need.

Definition of draft day loser: us media scrubs didn't see that coming from Team X

The 49ers pick has the same feel about it as the Aldon Smith pick last year. WR is a depth need and was also the best player on their board when they picked.

Not sure where else they should have focused the one thing worse than a Round One reach is picking a player in the first round not projected to start anytime soon.

 

[Toadvine]

Re: Trent Richardson Highlight tape wow man

Very happy with that. Best available and got an extra pick in the process. Interesting to see who we go to next and if we move up to get them

 

[Brasher]

Who is Manning going to throw to? Or does Elway belive that tebow was so bad that there was nothing wrong with his receivers last year?