2013 All Australian Team

[Dandy_GO]

M Hibberd.......H Taylor.......J Carlisle
C Enright.......L McPharlin....P Hanley
S Johnson......J Watson....S Pendlebury
D Hannebery.. N Riewoldt....J Garlett
L Thomas.......T Cloke.......JJKennedy

T Goldstein...S Mitchell...G Ablett

W Minson, A Swallow, T Boak, R Douglas

Some of the ones i've got not too far off....
Roughead, Thompson, Jack, Walker, Jamison, Hurn, Dangerfield, McEvoy, Malceski, Goddard, Wingard, Deledio, Cox, Cornes, Harbrow, Sloane, Bartel, Stokes, Fyfe, Pyke, Griffen, JRiewoldt,Rockliff

I'm glad you've found a spot for Douglas. His incredibly low profile outside of Adelaide probably means he's a very slim chance of making it in the actual team, but he's been close to the most damaging attacking midfielder in the competition this year, and easily Adelaide's best player so far. His disposal efficiency of 76% is elite for a guy who tops the league in goal assists, is third for inside 50s, and still picks up 9 contested possessions and 4 clearances a game. He's not inflating that number like Kane Cornes - he's just making great decisions and hitting targets. 12 goals for the year too is very handy. Hopefully he can keep his good form up all year.

 

[Final Siren]

Stats-based model, updated for Round 9!

B: H. Taylor (Geel), J. Carlisle (Ess), S. Thompson (NM)
HB: C. Enright (Geel), A. Rance (Rich), M. Hibberd (Ess)
C: J. Kennedy (Syd), S. Pendlebury (Coll), S. Mitchell (Haw)
HF: L. Thomas (NM), N. Riewoldt (StK), L. Franklin (Haw)
F: J. Roughead (Haw), J. Kennedy (WCE), J. Riewoldt (Rich)
Foll: T. Goldstein (NM), G. Ablett (GC), J. Watson (Ess)
I/C: K. Cornes (PA), J. Bartel (Geel), R. Douglas (Ade), A. Swallow (NM) (sub)
Emg: K. Jack (Syd), J. Selwood (Geel), J. McVeigh (Syd)

As of this round, the model tries to balance its defence a little more, picking 3 blokes who are mostly good stoppers and 3 blokes who are mostly good rebounders. Previously the model prioritized goal-stopping for the entire back 6, which didn't leave much room for players like Hibberd and Enright.

I know people will scoff at Rance, but I do think he's been good. Joel Patfull of Brisbane, currently leading the comp in One Percenters, is up there, too.

 

[Corrosion]

Stats-based model, updated for Round 9!

B: H. Taylor (Geel), J. Carlisle (Ess), S. Thompson (NM)
HB: C. Enright (Geel), A. Rance (Rich), M. Hibberd (Ess)
C: J. Kennedy (Syd), S. Pendlebury (Coll), S. Mitchell (Haw)
HF: L. Thomas (NM), N. Riewoldt (StK), L. Franklin (Haw)
F: J. Roughead (Haw), J. Kennedy (WCE), J. Riewoldt (Rich)
Foll: T. Goldstein (NM), G. Ablett (GC), J. Watson (Ess)
I/C: K. Cornes (PA), J. Bartel (Geel), R. Douglas (Ade), A. Swallow (NM) (sub)
Emg: K. Jack (Syd), J. Selwood (Geel), J. McVeigh (Syd)

As of this round, the model tries to balance its defence a little more, picking 3 blokes who are mostly good stoppers and 3 blokes who are mostly good rebounders. Previously the model prioritized goal-stopping for the entire back 6, which didn't leave much room for players like Hibberd and Enright.

I know people will scoff at Rance, but I do think he's been good. Joel Patfull of Brisbane, currently leading the comp in One Percenters, is up there, too.

Rance ahead of McPharlin, Rutten and Jamison? I don't understand, nor do I agree. Also, Patfull got absolutely pantsed by Waite on the weekend.

 

[Final Siren]

Rance ahead of McPharlin, Rutten and Jamison? I don't understand, nor do I agree. Also, Patfull got absolutely pantsed by Waite on the weekend.

It's a model that only looks at stats, which as discussed has its advantages and disadvantages.

Basically Rance just has great stats in the areas I've told the model the care about. In particular, he has very good numbers on One Percenters, with a high Disposal Efficiency %. If you compare him to the guys you mention, he looks good:

• Rance vs McPharlin
• Rance vs Rutten
• Rance vs Jamison

 

[SayWhatAgain]

Right Now?

B: M. Hibberd (Ess), J. Carlile (Ess), S. Thompson (NM)
HB: A. Walker (Carl), M. Jamison (Carl), C. Enright (Geel)
C: J. Kennedy (Syd), J. Watson (Ess), S. Mitchell (Haw)
HF: B. Goddard (Ess), L. Franklin (Haw), L. Thomas (NM)
F: T. Rockliff (Bris), T. Cloke (Coll), J. Kennedy (WCE)
R's: D. Cox (WCE), G. Albett (GCS), S. Pendlebury (Coll)
INT: K. Cornes (PA), D. Hannerbery (Syd), N. Riewoldt (STK), J. Bartel (Geel) (sub)

Honourable mentions: L. McPharlin, W. Minson (WB), R. Douglas (Adel), G. Birchall (Haw), & H. Hartlett (PA)

 

[Bardo State]

FB: Thompson - Jamison - Stratton
HB: Enright - Taylor - Hibberd
C: Hanley - Watson (VC) - Mitchell
HF: Wingard - N. Riewoldt - Garlett
FF: Thomas - Kennedy - Cloke
R: Goldstein - Ablett (C) - Kennedy
IC: Johnson - Pendlebury - Jack - Minson

Was torn between Cloke and Roughead. Also disappointed I couldn't squeeze Griffen in. Bartel, McVeigh, Burgoyne, Walker not far away either. Hannebery too.

 

[Strahany]

FB: Thompson - Jamison - Stratton
HB: Enright - Taylor - Hibberd
C: Hanley - Watson (VC) - Mitchell
HF: Wingard - N. Riewoldt - Garlett
FF: Thomas - Kennedy - Cloke
R: Goldstein - Ablett (C) - Kennedy
IC: Johnson - Pendlebury - Jack - Minson

Was torn between Cloke and Roughead. Also disappointed I couldn't squeeze Griffen in. Bartel, McVeigh, Burgoyne, Walker not far away either. Hannebery too.

It would make sense for Cloke and one of Minson/Goldstein to be dropped, and replaced with Roughead and one of those midfielders you mentioned; the All Australian team isn't renowned for being an accurate, functioning "team", but you surely can't have three key forwards AND two ruckman, both of which aren't particularly potent in the forward 50.

 

[Bardo State]

It would make sense for Cloke and one of Minson/Goldstein to be dropped, and replaced with Roughead and one of those midfielders you mentioned; the All Australian team isn't renowned for being an accurate, functioning "team", but you surely can't have three key forwards AND two ruckman, both of which aren't particularly potent in the forward 50.

I was just trying to reward individual performance and I feel that on that basis, Minson and Cloke are just slightly ahead of Rouhead. However the selectors seem to want to pick a forward/ruck instead of a second ruckman now. Wouldn't be too fussed if Roughead replaced one or both of Minson/Cloke.

Also, Roughead is still getting some hitouts, Hawthorn are now playing two ruckmen and Roughead only averages about 4 hitouts a game. When he's in the centre square now, he's usually playing as a midfielder.

 

[omgfridge]

C.Enright, L.McPharlin, J.Gibson
S.Mitchell, H.Taylor, M.Hibberd
S.Johnson, J.Watson (C), D.Hanneberry
M.Stokes, N.Riewoldt, C.Wingard
M.Walters, J.K.Kennedy, J.Roughead

M.Pyke, G.Ablett, S.Pendlebury

L.Hodge, R.Crowley, J.P.Kennedy, S.Burgoyne
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J.Carlisle, B.Rutten, S.Thompson, G.Birchall, N.Malceski, P.Hanley
T.Goldstein
J.Bartel, J.Selwood, K.Cornes, T.Cotchin, B.Deledio, J.McVeigh, K.Jack, M.Priddis
T.Cloke, L.Thomas, J.Garlett

 

[Chewy]

M Hibberd.......H Taylor.......J Carlisle
C Enright.......L McPharlin....P Hanley
S Johnson......J Watson....S Pendlebury
D Hannebery.. N Riewoldt....J Garlett
L Thomas.......T Cloke.......JJKennedy

T Goldstein...S Mitchell...G Ablett

W Minson, A Swallow, T Boak, R Douglas

Some of the ones i've got not too far off....
Roughead, Thompson, Jack, Walker, Jamison, Hurn, Dangerfield, McEvoy, Malceski, Goddard, Wingard, Deledio, Cox, Cornes, Harbrow, Sloane, Bartel, Stokes, Fyfe, Pyke, Griffen, JRiewoldt,Rockliff

It hasnt exactly been a season highlighted by great individual performances so far. Usually by now there are at least 5-8 standouts from a 22 and i cant even see more than 3 or 4 obvious picks. Usually at least 3 or 4 midfielders alone that most would think of as walk up starters, and i cant even find that.

Lots have had 2-3 great games and maybe another 1 or 2 v good games...but we are seeing plenty who have had great starts then just fallen away...or been pretty damn ordinary since.

Also, the top sides are winning as a team without in form name players starring week to week...apart from a few exceptions it has been hot and cold in terms of name players. There are teams 8-1 and 7-2 and its tough to pick more than 1 or 2 from any of them...bit unusual in that regard.

I cant even be confident about choosing beyond 2 mids (Gablett and Watson)...and i doubt any reasonable fan would say blokes like Mitchell, Pendlebury etc are in great form. Saying something when guys in average form are likely AA selections.

You're a funny guy, Bollox. You slam me on a regular basis for being a troll and a biased Hawthorn cheerleader, but you act all wide-eyed innocent and say "Who me?" whenever I mention your anti-Hawk bias and trolling. So leaving all that aside and pretending we're both the fair-minded, impartial football observers we claim to be, let's examine these posts of yours...

There are teams 8-1 and 7-2 and its tough to pick more than 1 or 2 from any of them...bit unusual in that regard.

Heres's the current ladder with your A/A selections in bold, and "not far away" players named alongside

Hawthorn (8-1) - S Mitchell, J Roughead
Geelong (8-1) - H Taylor, C Enright, S Johnson, J Bartel, M Stokes,
Essendon (7-2) - J Watson, J Carlisle, M Hibberd, B Goddard,
Fremantle (6-1-2) - L McPharlin, N Fyfe,
Sydney (6-1-2) - D Hannebery, K Jack, N Malceski, M Pyke,
West Coast (5-4) - J Kennedy, S Hurn, D Cox,
Adelaide (5-4) - R Douglas, R Dangerfield, R Sloane,
Carlton (5-4) - J Garlett, A Walker, M Jamison
Pt Adelaide (5-4) - T Boak, C Wingard, K Cornes,
Richmond (5-4) - B Deledio, J Riewoldt,
Collingwood (5-4) - S Pendlebury, T Cloke,
Gold Coast (4-5) - G Ablett, J Harbrow,
North Melb (3-6) - T Goldstein, A Swallow, L Thomas, S Thompson
Brisbane (3-6) - P Hanley, T Rockliff
St Kilda (2-7) - N Riewoldt, B McEvoy,
Bulldogs (2-7) - W Minson, R Griffen,

There are teams on 8-1 and 7-2, but you've had no trouble naming 4 or 5 players from the 2nd and 3rd placed sides. You've even named 4 players from your own team.

It would've been more accurate if you had said, "There is an 8-1 team on top of the ladder, but i have trouble picking more than 1 or 2 from them".

You've named just 1 Hawk in your 22 and only 2 in your squad of 44... You would think the team who has played all 7 of last season's finalists in the first 7 rounds and sits on top of the ladder would garner more respect when it came to rating the performances of individual players.

The old "team effort", huh?

I cant even be confident about choosing beyond 2 mids (Gablett and Watson)...and i doubt any reasonable fan would say blokes like Mitchell, Pendlebury etc are in great form

So you picked Sam Mitchell in your 22 as the sole Hawthorn rep, but you admit even this was done under sufferance and you've qualified his selection by saying he's not in great form.

Any "reasonable fan" would say Mitchell has been in fantastic form all season and he has not played a bad game - Named in Hawthorn's best players in 8 games, our best player in 4 of those - the one game where Mitchell wasn't listed in the best players was the Collingwood thrashing. He had 27 possessions, 16 contested, 8 clearances and 6 tackles!!!

Anyway, there is no real argument against his inclusion, even you selected him, which is saying something, so it was silly of me to take the bait.

I would help you out and name some of the other Hawthorn blokes who have been good this year, but you'd probably have one of your meltdowns, accuse me of being a biased cheerleader and post all kinds of crap about how rubbish they've been. So I'll spare us both the embarrassment of that. You probably know who they are. Many other people in this thread have named them in their teams.

Hopefully the Hawks can keep winning for you this year, Bollox.

 

[Bollox]

Hey...when you admitted you only watched hawthorn games it wasnt exactly a revelation to anyone.

In many ways i'm lucky to have a stalker with this much paranoia...most stalkers and pissed off cheerleaders try hard to hide it.

I'll try harder to push a Hawthorn agenda just for you

 

[RM_3]

What's the chances of Goddard becoming AA.

 

[TheWhiteRhino]

You're a funny guy, Bollox. You slam me on a regular basis for being a troll and a biased Hawthorn cheerleader, but you act all wide-eyed innocent and say "Who me?" whenever I mention your anti-Hawk bias and trolling. So leaving all that aside and pretending we're both the fair-minded, impartial football observers we claim to be, let's examine these posts of yours...

Heres's the current ladder with your A/A selections in bold, and "not far away" players named alongside

Hawthorn (8-1) - S Mitchell, J Roughead
Geelong (8-1) - H Taylor, C Enright, S Johnson, J Bartel, M Stokes,
Essendon (7-2) - J Watson, J Carlisle, M Hibberd, B Goddard,
Fremantle (6-1-2) - L McPharlin, N Fyfe,
Sydney (6-1-2) - D Hannebery, K Jack, N Malceski, M Pyke,
West Coast (5-4) - J Kennedy, S Hurn, D Cox,
Adelaide (5-4) - R Douglas, R Dangerfield, R Sloane,
Carlton (5-4) - J Garlett, A Walker, M Jamison
Pt Adelaide (5-4) - T Boak, C Wingard, K Cornes,
Richmond (5-4) - B Deledio, J Riewoldt,
Collingwood (5-4) - S Pendlebury, T Cloke,
Gold Coast (4-5) - G Ablett, J Harbrow,
North Melb (3-6) - T Goldstein, A Swallow, L Thomas, S Thompson
Brisbane (3-6) - P Hanley, T Rockliff
St Kilda (2-7) - N Riewoldt, B McEvoy,
Bulldogs (2-7) - W Minson, R Griffen,

There are teams on 8-1 and 7-2, but you've had no trouble naming 4 or 5 players from the 2nd and 3rd placed sides. You've even named 4 players from your own team.

It would've been more accurate if you had said, "There is an 8-1 team on top of the ladder, but i have trouble picking more than 1 or 2 from them".

You've named just 1 Hawk in your 22 and only 2 in your squad of 44... You would think the team who has played all 7 of last season's finalists in the first 7 rounds and sits on top of the ladder would garner more respect when it came to rating the performances of individual players.

The old "team effort", huh?

So you picked Sam Mitchell in your 22 as the sole Hawthorn rep, but you admit even this was done under sufferance and you've qualified his selection by saying he's not in great form.

Any "reasonable fan" would say Mitchell has been in fantastic form all season and he has not played a bad game - Named in Hawthorn's best players in 8 games, our best player in 4 of those - the one game where Mitchell wasn't listed in the best players was the Collingwood thrashing. He had 27 possessions, 16 contested, 8 clearances and 6 tackles!!!

Anyway, there is no real argument against his inclusion, even you selected him, which is saying something, so it was silly of me to take the bait.

I would help you out and name some of the other Hawthorn blokes who have been good this year, but you'd probably have one of your meltdowns, accuse me of being a biased cheerleader and post all kinds of crap about how rubbish they've been. So I'll spare us both the embarrassment of that. You probably know who they are. Many other people in this thread have named them in their teams.

Hopefully the Hawks can keep winning for you this year, Bollox.

Funny that, the Swans "only" had 2 AAs last year and one of those was named on the bench.

And hardly see how a Hawks fan can complain when Cyril continues to screw other players out of AA spots. I have no doubt the same will be the case this season, regardless of how many games he misses.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

What's the chances of Goddard becoming AA.

I'd say it depends on Hibberd and Carlisle. Not saying it's right, but I think unless all three are absolute standouts (or Essendon pretty much wins every game from here on), the selectors will bump at least one of them for a player from another team. At the moment, all three should be in the squad.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Basically Rance just has great stats in the areas I've told the model the care about. In particular, he has very good numbers on One Percenters, with a high Disposal Efficiency %.

Not such great stats in the 'having bags kicked on him every other week' category though. Which is pretty important for a full back. He's had three or more goals kicked on him something like six times already this year. He shouldn't (and wouldn't) be anywhere near the AA team.

 

[Chewy]

Funny that, the Swans "only" had 2 AAs last year and one of those was named on the bench.

And hardly see how a Hawks fan can complain when Cyril continues to screw other players out of AA spots. I have no doubt the same will be the case this season, regardless of how many games he misses.

WTF are you on about?

 

[Bollox]

What's the chances of Goddard becoming AA.

Right on the edge i reckon and no doubt in many sensible teams so far....doubt anyone would complain if he was selected, consistently v good. Its just that there's plenty to choose from and he probably gets marked down a bit due to the star factor...we expect star performances and when he's cruising along like this without having the huge games, we dont always see how good that really is.
Also..as already mentioned a few posts ago up there ^^^having 2 others Dons right in contention at the moment in the backline would make it difficult but shouldnt...but odds are thats unlikely to be the case by late season anyway.
He's been a huge reason why the Dons are well placed and their disposal/effectiveness has skyrocketed this season...its infectious when u introduce class onto a list. Massive addition that is actually doing/providing everything the Dons would have hoped whilst settling in to a new gameplan.
About 2/3rds HB and 1/3 MID time i reckon...the guys performing best rebounding with effective disposal tend to get tagged now when in form...Goddard has had attention from the very start and worked thru it. See how he goes today because my mob will likely put a clamp on him too.
Birchall was a shoe in after the first month but then fell away as the opposition clamped down, one big game tho and he might be back into people's minds at HBF.....saw it again last night with the pies choosing to put their biggest check onto Hanley..who has been in AA form as well.
The wild card is Sam Mitchell who many see as a HBFer rather than Mid this season...i just see him having had more influence when thru the middle thats all.
Walker another who started like a train mainly across HB but seemed to just slip a bit thru May...still very much an AA standard type season though but maybe without the consistency of others...could easy pick him too right now.

With most wanting/seeing 3 KPD's due to more than normal being very very good...and Hibberd being a standout BP so far that leaves 2 slots down back and a heap that anyone could argue for and be right.

 

[Scott Emberton]

I'm with Bruce. Harry O could be looking at his second AA if he maintains current form

 

[TheWhiteRhino]

I'm with Bruce. Harry O could be looking at his second AA if he maintains current form

His defensive skills have really improved and he provides great run, but it still seems like every disposal of his is a long bomb to a contest - not the most effective player off half back.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I'm with Bruce. Harry O could be looking at his second AA if he maintains current form

Harry O is playing on the wing so he is competing with the midfielders- he isnt in the best 6-10 midfielders this year

 

[Scott Emberton]

Harry O is playing on the wing so he is competing with the midfielders- he isnt in the best 6-10 midfielders this year

no - he isn't but he is clearly not the dud that he is portrayed as but many who know little.

 

[lmach]

Mackenzie mustn't exist.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

no - he isn't but he is clearly not the dud that he is portrayed as but many who know little.

Not being a dud doesn't make you AA.

He is having a quality year and the move away from defence has been beneficial for both he and collingwood.

However I cant see him making he team - he'd be a stretch for the squad as a midfielder.

 

[bradrowe#32]

Harry O, Pendles and Cloke would be our candidates at the moment, but they'll all struggle to make the final team.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Mackenzie mustn't exist.

McPharlin has been the standout key defender this year for mine. Carlisle also very good. I don't think emac offers as much rebound as either of those.

Glass has been phenomenal again in a pocket