List Mgmt. 2013 DRAFT

[Stig O'Hara]

Cant believe we got (insert name) so late.

Reckon he was Top 3 ..........easy.

Is that how you do it?????

 

[Jeremias]

Re-1st bit highlighted: I think you interpreted what I said in the wrong way. I meant, posters on this board who watch U18 footy were not suggesting Cripps is a player we should think about for pick 13. It's only now that we have been linked to him that people are trying to convince themselves that he is the next Jobe Watson (a comparison which has been made a couple of times today).

Again, you're giving far too much credence to the opinion of BigFooty posters who have only watched these players on the field.

As good a resource as Knightmare etc. may be, and again I stress that their work is much appreciated, they'll likely fully acknowledge that they only know a fraction of the story. They've never met and interviewed the player or his family. They aren't privy to the results of any psychological testing nor most of the physical testing the players are put through by the clubs. They've only likely seen these players a few times in comparison to recruiters who have been closely monitoring these players for a number of years.

So I don't particularly care what the BigFooty experts or journalists are suggesting, at least not in comparison to those who do this for a living. If we take Cripps it's because after countless hours of preparation and analysis, it is believed he is the best fit for the club. That's the only opinion that should and does matter.

Re-2nd bit highlighted: If I were just to follow what bigfooty experts and journalists have to say, would I not be raving about how good it is that we are getting a 192cm mid who plays like a small?

Your entire opinion is based on what BigFooty experts and journalists have to say. It's unlikely you've seen any more of these players than the highlights videos uploaded to YouTube which are there to promote the player and their chances of being drafted. Just like I haven't nor have most others that post on these forums.

To therefore be certain that picking Cripps is a deviation from picking the best available player and to doubt our recruiting processes as a result is a furphy and I believe a heavily misguided approach.

 

[Bradschi]

Cant believe we got (insert name) so late.

Reckon he was Top 3 ..........easy.

Is that how you do it?????

Somebody give him Williams' old job already.

 

[rp84]

I'll break it to him.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/lu...e-national-draft/story-fndv8f7j-1226764071150


He came to the club in May and left only couple weeks ago

Shit

 

[Blue and Silver]

We lack clearance mids?

We're third in the comp behind Sydney and Hawthorn.

Cripps will fill the void as Judd, Carrazzo, McLean get older.

 

[themax]

Some info please, may have been covered.

Do the clubs with the top 10 picks give those selections to the AFL to allow the players and families to be invited to the draft.

If so some leaks maybe why some clubs seem to be switching their preferences, including phantom drafts.

 

[Silvagnis]

Exactly

jesus, relax A McKay. So gun ho on shooting others down, you completely missed the point

let the red mist dissipate before posting maybe

Gun ho after three or four posts in a row that questioned the wisdom of taking Cripps. As if we'd know Cripps from the next inside mid.

Had already seen a poor argument that Dunstan being SA's captain makes him a better prospect than Cripps.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

The most glaring weakness in Pat Cripps’ game is his lack of athleticism. Cripps is not slow but he isn’t very fast either. What he has to compensate for this is a very quick first three steps, and when you take into account his size, he is about as easy to tackle as a small truck when he gets going. Fortunately for opponents Cripps isn’t one to go out and run, preferring to make others look good by doing the hard work for them and giving it to them in space.

Cripps is not only an inside player. He has shown an ability to accumulate on the outside as well. He is a smart footballer and knows where the ball is going to go next so he can get some cheap kicks out in the open.

One thing that can be counted on is that Cripps makes his tackles stick and his opponent will be spitting out dirt and teeth for the next week or so.

Nice lengthy write up on Cripps.

http://boundforglorynews.com/2013-draft-profile-patrick-cripps/

 

[Quazza]

I like this bit

"Cripps is quite a consistent player and rarely has a poor game. His worst performance this year is a 16-possession and five-tackle game, and he has only had fewer than 20 disposals twice all year"

don't like this bit

"For teams needing an inside extractor, but don’t have a pick high enough to take Matt Crouch, then Cripps is their man"

Are we going Cripps > Crouch as he's taller?

 

[Cringle]

I like this bit

"Cripps is quite a consistent player and rarely has a poor game. His worst performance this year is a 16-possession and five-tackle game, and he has only had fewer than 20 disposals twice all year"

don't like this bit

"For teams needing an inside extractor, but don’t have a pick high enough to take Matt Crouch, then Cripps is their man"

Are we going Cripps > Crouch as he's taller?

Cripps has a better disposal than Crouch

 

[HBF]

I'm sticking with Cripps.
At 13 you're not going to get a Boyd or a Kelly, and these guys are going to have aspects of their games they are going to work on. Just love the idea of a 192cm mid that wins his own ball and makes good decisions when he has it.

No idea what we'll do at 39 or 51.

 

[Blue and Silver]

We probably rate him higher.

Crouch is the type of inside mid who throws it on his boot then trots to the next maul and attempts to barge in, grab the pill and throw it on his boot. He does it really well and gets lots of touches, but Cripps seems more nuanced on the outside and a better distributor

 

[Silvagnis]

I'll laugh if if we don't take Cripps because the draft went like this...

Boyd
Kelly
Billings
Aish
KK
Sharenberg
Salem
Lennon
Bontempelli
Sheed
Jones
Freeman

Assuming the mail choo had is correct.

All that anger wasted.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/19909927/dockers-blues-take-a-close-look-at-thorp/

 

[coryne]

I just feel that if we were determined to get Cripps all along (which some people are suggesting) then why didn't we either try and trade into the late 1st rd, either through upgrading a 2nd rd pick or downgrading #13. I mean we could have approached St. Kilda and offered up #13 and #32 in exchange for #18 and #19, and most likely still got Cripps plus having a late 1st rd pick.


I just feel reaching for a player = wasted opportunity to upgrade our next selection.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I just feel that if we were determined to get Cripps all along (which some people are suggesting) then why didn't we either try and trade into the late 1st rd, either through upgrading a 2nd rd pick or downgrading #13. I mean we could have approached St. Kilda and offered up #13 and #32 in exchange for #18 and #19, and most likely still got Cripps plus having a late 1st rd pick.


I just feel reaching for a player = wasted opportunity to upgrade our next selection.

Swans and Cats are interested as well. He could of been gone by 18. If he is our man, then 13 was the guaranteed way to get him. We could of got to 18 and had no Dunstan, no Cripps, no Sheed etc. so forth.

 

[Sector 7G]

I am liking the idea of a big inside mid rather than a rebounding hbf like KK or a mid sized HFF like Lennon. Don't see those roles as pressing need.

 

[Matty411]

I am liking the idea of a big inside mid rather than a rebounding hbf like KK or a mid sized HFF like Lennon. Don't see those roles as pressing need.

Think most have come to realise that whilst our need for a KPF is pressing, a good extractor is of equal importance to plan for when Judd retires in the next few years. Plus, if we're wanting to compete for a flag in the next 2-3, we'd be better off trying to grab a mature KPF via draft, trade or FA to put us in the best frame for this.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

We've already added to our outside run - by recruiting Thomas and Docherty and if the reports of us recruiting Lambert with a late pick are true, he will add to this also.

It makes sense to address the inside mid at Pick #13.

 

[Kramer1]

We've already added to our outside run - by recruiting Thomas and Docherty and if the reports of us recruiting Lambert with a late pick are true, he will add to this also.

It makes sense to address the inside mid at Pick #13.

And the kickboxer...

 

[Silvagnis]

Swans and Cats are interested as well. He could of been gone by 18. If he is our man, then 13 was the guaranteed way to get him. We could of got to 18 and had no Dunstan, no Cripps, no Sheed etc. so forth.

Pies were allegedly interested...

I know that Collingwood had talked to Cripps but the trade period and their resulting picks makes it unlikely they'd be able to get him. A little more in demand than I had thought previous.

Cripps will be a superstar if Hine takes him at ten.

That's why i want Cripps. He averaged 6.2 clearances a game during the champs and he was only averaging 19 disposals a game. Similar to what Crouch had, the difference is Cripps has a lot more upside.

FWIW: Cripps probably shouldn't last to pick 31 because there isn't really anyone in this draft with his inside game and his size. As for his athleticism he moves pretty darn well, he's a big bloke but he's isn't that physically developed. So there is upside.

He's not slow for a 190cm inside midfielder, there is a lot of him to stop when he's taking off.

Cripps and Jansen are different. Cripps has better clearance work and is better on the spread, he's got better disposal in the clinches than Jansen has. He's really valuable because he's got such a strong inside game. Cripps is quicker off the mark but over the stretch i'd imagine they're pretty similar with Jansen looking just a little quicker on the outside.

Body shape does remind me of our Josh Kennedy who was carrying some puppy fat.

Like Matthew Watson, his sheer size also makes him look shorter than someone who is at least 190 cms tall.

 

[Go_Blues!]

Nice lengthy write up on Cripps.

http://boundforglorynews.com/2013-draft-profile-patrick-cripps/

I stopped reading after this.......

In a draft littered with tall forwards.......

 

[Go_Blues!]

I just feel that if we were determined to get Cripps all along (which some people are suggesting) then why didn't we either try and trade into the late 1st rd, either through upgrading a 2nd rd pick or downgrading #13. I mean we could have approached St. Kilda and offered up #13 and #32 in exchange for #18 and #19, and most likely still got Cripps plus having a late 1st rd pick.


I just feel reaching for a player = wasted opportunity to upgrade our next selection.

I guess I do not understand this logic. If Carlton want to take him at 13, the chances are he will go around 13. I know that a lot of people keep saying this but the view of the media and bigfooty posters probably does not strongly correlate to the views of the clubs. If someone slides and we take them instead of Cripps (or if the mail on Cripps is wrong), he is not going to last much after our pick and certainly not to 18.

 

[carltonfc01]

Struth is it flamin draft day yet!

 

[etsal1]

Again, you're giving far too much credence to the opinion of BigFooty posters who have only watched these players on the field.

As good a resource as Knightmare etc. may be, and again I stress that their work is much appreciated, they'll likely fully acknowledge that they only know a fraction of the story. They've never met and interviewed the player or his family. They aren't privy to the results of any psychological testing nor most of the physical testing the players are put through by the clubs. They've only likely seen these players a few times in comparison to recruiters who have been closely monitoring these players for a number of years.

So I don't particularly care what the BigFooty experts or journalists are suggesting, at least not in comparison to those who do this for a living. If we take Cripps it's because after countless hours of preparation and analysis, it is believed he is the best fit for the club. That's the only opinion that should and does matter.




Your entire opinion is based on what BigFooty experts and journalists have to say. It's unlikely you've seen any more of these players than the highlights videos uploaded to YouTube which are there to promote the player and their chances of being drafted. Just like I haven't nor have most others that post on these forums.

To therefore be certain that picking Cripps is a deviation from picking the best available player and to doubt our recruiting processes as a result is a furphy and I believe a heavily misguided approach.

Sorry but that is not correct. I watched the championships. I'm not basing my opinions on other posters. That was my point.

Anyway, for what it is worth the reason Cripps struggles athletically is because he broke his leg a couple of years ago. Hence he is starting from a lower base. So maybe there is hope yet