2013 Player X v Player Y

[FlowersByIrene]

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With Team Picker now open prices a and positions will be confirmed
Post your too-ing and fro-ing musings up here for discussion


I'll kick us off

Roughead (as a ruc/fwd) or give up on the DPP link and go with Cox in the Ruck line instead of fwd line??

 

[settingthebarLOW]

Cox is a superior choice. Naitanui might not play Round 1 due to groin issues so Cox can still take ruck duties. I think Cox will play forward when Not-a-cluey returns but my feeling is he'll still be a mobile type. Roughead imo will play deep forward and while he did average around 84 in 2011 (did he play ruck?), I'm not fully confident on KPP types (except for Buddy) being main pillars of my forward line.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

what are people thoughts on danyle pearce now over at freo hopefully wont get tagged as much now as he was at port could rack up some good numbers

 

[FlowersByIrene]

what are people thoughts on danyle pearce now over at freo hopefully wont get tagged as much now as he was at port could rack up some good numbers

Personally im not that much of a fan of picking mid range priced players unless its because of an injury and theyre guaranteed to rise in price
Depends on how he plays in nab cup and then weigh up him against a rookie or injury affected player (ball/gray) and see how their points stack up, is it worth the risk?

 

[settingthebarLOW]

what are people thoughts on danyle pearce now over at freo hopefully wont get tagged as much now as he was at port could rack up some good numbers

Could go either way. He could attract a tag if he is deemed more dangerous than Fyfe, Hill etc because of his long kicking which Port supporters know. He may play a more midfield role (even half-forward) but I don't recommend him as his average will not rise enough to be a premium IMO and does not have a great DT record. Plus if I'm not wrong his price ain't cheap. If you are urgent for a POD then sure but Ball is a better bet.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Jacobs (+$50,000) v Maric?

 

[settingthebarLOW]

Jacobs (+$50,000) v Maric?

Jacobs imo. Younger and doesn't have immediate competition as far as I know (Jenkins doesn't count, Graham's a spud) to threaten JS.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Jacobs imo. Younger and doesn't have immediate competition as far as I know (Jenkins doesn't count, Graham's a spud) to threaten JS.

Who does Maric have to threaten job his spot?

 

[settingthebarLOW]

Who does Maric have to threaten job his spot?

Vickery perhaps.

 

[Keystone agony]

Orren Stephenson is another, although after an AA squad year i dont think he has JS worries.

I like 3 rucks by a fair margin right now one of those is Leunenberger so ill be going that way. Certainly aren't top end premiums.

 

[settingthebarLOW]

Goldstein or Mumford? Mumford surer bet, Goldstein higher ceiling IMO.

Mumford has a knack for getting himself suspended. Goldstein has played 21 games each season for the past 2 years. Leaning towards Goldsstein, but Mumford isn't a bad "unique" option. Both have little competition for JS, and have good byes (if it matters to you). Certainly Goldstein is the popular choice, but what's popular ain't always right

 

[Keystone agony]

Mumford has a knack for getting himself suspended. Goldstein has played 21 games each season for the past 2 years. Leaning towards Goldsstein, but Mumford isn't a bad "unique" option. Both have little competition for JS, and have good byes (if it matters to you). Certainly Goldstein is the popular choice, but what's popular ain't always right

How many popular picks failed last year (2012)?

 

[settingthebarLOW]

How many popular picks failed last year (2012)?

Didn't say any. Just a word of advice.

 

[Keystone agony]

Didn't say any. Just a word of advice.

Would that be good advice or bad advice if your answer to the question is none or very little?

 

[settingthebarLOW]

Would that be good advice or bad advice if your answer to the question is none or very little?

Look, I've tried answering the question to the best of my ability (being a Draftee) and giving him several of my observations. Besides, you haven't exactly been answering his specific query either to any great magnitude, so I don't think you can talk. All you've been doing is targeting my quote (if you're really desperate for an answer to which popular picks dissapoint, GAblett was one with his injuries which was no fault of his but forced me in a difficult captain scenario), which is fine, but if it bothers you that badly than why don't you just press the "ignore" on me

 

[Keystone agony]

Look, I've tried answering the question to the best of my ability (being a Draftee) and giving him several of my observations. Besides, you haven't exactly been answering his specific query either to any great magnitude, so I don't think you can talk. All you've been doing is targeting my quote (if you're really desperate for an answer to which popular picks dissapoint, GAblett was one with his injuries which was no fault of his but forced me in a difficult captain scenario), which is fine, but if it bothers you that badly than why don't you just press the "ignore" on me

I was just trying to get you to think. Certainly not having a genuine crack at you mate, wow you got defensive very quickly.

You stated "Goldstein is the popular choice, but what's popular ain't always right" and i simply replied "How many popular picks failed last year (2012)?"

FWIW im not into player x vs player y i think its the worst thread on this DT forum and a waste of time, thus i dont tell people who they should or shouldnt pick because that will probably end badly for them ha.

Anyway dont get so defensive next time. Ablett a bad pick? you won 2012 DT didnt you.

 

[settingthebarLOW]

I was just trying to get you to think. Certainly not having a genuine crack at you mate, wow you got defensive very quickly.

You stated "Goldstein is the popular choice, but what's popular ain't always right" and i simply replied "How many popular picks failed last year (2012)?"

FWIW im not into player x vs player y i think its the worst thread on this DT forum and a waste of time, thus i dont tell people who they should or shouldnt pick because that will probably end badly for them ha.

Anyway dont get so defensive next time. Ablett a bad pick? you won 2012 DT didnt you.

Maybe I'm too defensive, I'm just not fully used to online rebuttal yet. Apologies.
I did not tell anyone who or not to pick, I was just offering my view and a moral that I have learnt; if it doesn't apply to DT/Bigfooty then apologies yet again.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Hartlett vs Heppell? (as defenders).

 

[Jars458]

Too many players who get injured in your team and you have no chance of the car, upside or no.

 

[BroughtonMid]

hartlett is definatly underpriced for what he can do, can easily see him pushing out a 90+ average.
concerns are obviously his durability, but also his role, can get thrown around from the middle to half back a little. makes consistency suffers a bit as a result.

see him a bit like grimes going into last year, we all knew grimes could score great, just needed a good run with his body and some consistent midfield minutes.

 

[Keystone agony]

With Pearce out of the midfield, Casissi and Kornes on last legs also possibly playing defender roles certaily in cassisi's case, i think im confident where Hartlett will be playing. Port should just put him next to Boak and Wines next year in the guts and have a midfield brigade for the next 10 years.

I like both.

 

[borrat]

one if not the main reason grimes was able to play a whole season last season was because of dave misson who finally got him fit and i had grimes in and out all pre season last season but decided not to pick due to byes i think

and mumford wont be as good as what he been previously due to pyke being able to ruck as well

im quite big on pederson even though he didnt get the ideal discount he will still be pretty good i think

 

[Keystone agony]

TBH next year i dont think many players will play 20+ games

Sport has been so far pushed to its limits with workloads, intensities, mentally, physically ect ect and rules have made it hard especially in footy that it is now quite accepted for players to be continually rested so they can get through 18 games of the year and be in peak nick for finals for those that will play in finals.

Its the same with cricket right now, that for me will be the new big thing next year in the AFL and its certainly already been developing that way with Scott the big starter to the whole thing 2 years ago, i just think it will go to a whole new level next year.

Id love to see the stat for players that have played the full 22 games each year in the last 10-15 years and see the decline in those numbers. Its the reason why cricket is now trying to bring through all thse fast bowlers so they have 8-10 really good players to pick from and rotate with. Its the same with footy and why many more mature aged players are now recruited. I mean look at essendons 6 rookie picks from last year just about all were mature aged from memory if not at least 4/6 were. In the last 2 years we have gone through the era of realising that mature aged players 20-28 can impact so much at AFL level mostly started by Barlow really. Now these mature aged players are seen as so important they arnt just taken in the RDraft they are now taken late in the NDraft just look at this year Essendon again an example the dogs last year, melbourne also took a few this year and other teams followed Sydney took one real early much earlier than many expected in Towers. So now clubs know they not only need a solid 22-24 which was the case 15 years ago but they need a strong list of 40-42 that can step straight in and play extremely well whether its because of mounting injuries (Essendon 2012) or needing to rest several players so they are ripe for finals (Geelong 2011).

Youll see much more of that IMO next year, i think it will be at a whole new level.

We even saw Darren Jolly come out and say that its almost impossible to play every game now at AFL level. Not sure on the words he used.

 

[toxic]

Hartlett is a must have, his price will only rise this yr

 

[DeMerrett]

Sport has been so far pushed to its limits with workloads, intensities, mentally, physically ect ect and rules have made it hard especially in footy that it is now quite accepted for players to be continually rested so they can get through 18 games of the year and be in peak nick for finals for those that will play in finals.

It's the same with baseball, a team that doesn't have a decent bullpen that they can rotate through their 162 game season is going to struggle. The problem is that there is a larger squad in baseball roster with a smaller starting squad compared to AFL lists.

As a sport we do this during the game more often as seen with the TOG% of some midfielders but you're right, the next logical step is to have enough tier 1 and 2 midfielders that you can rest more players during the year.