List Mgmt. 2013 Trading & Free Agency

[Mismatched]

One that will go at every contest 100% no matter what, I've got no issue with that. He mightn't be the best user going around but he can still find a bit of the ball and with how he attacks the play I wouldn't have a big issue if we went after him.

Just what we needed, another hard-nut with average skills to join the already long list of hard nuts with poor skills clogging up our list. Not a bad player, but just not what we need at the moment, as opposed to Graham who was a bad player, but we grabbed him anyway because his type was what we needed.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Went to the Suns game yesterday at footy park. Watched Gorringe very closely to see how he plays. First thing is he can really jump at the center bounces.Very athletic. Covers the ground easily and is very agile for a big guy. Can take a big contested mark but only from over the back,never backing back and grabbing one from the front posy. Beautiful kick of the ball. Should continue to improve with more games---only payed 15 games.Now for the negatives---He continually leads at the kicker to give him a 20 meter short option. Never gets to the spot down the line to be the go to big guy.This really impacts the Suns so much so that they often look to switch the ball instead of kicking to a contest. Doesn't like the physical stuff. Plays more like a ruck rover than a ruckman.
Worth us chasing? You bet!! A huge upgrade on McKernan.

Pity others on this board bothered to look below his performances and look at the latent talent
Why do players have to be BOG b4 supporters think he's worth trading for ......now his value is rising damit

 

[Elite Crow]

Get outside the bubble of Adelaide ....and it's a common view of the eastern States

Should i have said Adelaide suffers from little brother syndrome ......does that make it more palatable EC?

Still waiting on your rationale on your argument that Adelaide is undesireable .......waiting

I couldn't give a flying **** about the perception of Adelaide, it has nothing to do with the points I've been making so why bring it up?

I've given examples of why I believe Adelaide as a club is undesirable, do you want me to repeat my posts or are you thick that you haven't grasped it. Ok here is a summary:

We've lost players.
We haven't attracted players.

Sure use the rationale of exceptional circumstances of money and the expansion clubs, but all clubs had the same circumstances but we've lost more than most.

Now unless you want to get that carrot out of your arse, talk to the hand.

 

[crow4life]

Pity others on this board bothered to look below his performances and look at the latent talent
Why do players have to be BOG b4 supporters think he's worth trading for ......now his value is rising damit

His value is definitely on the rise but he is uncontracted at seasons end. We have to come up with a suitable trade for this guy,he is exactly what our team lacks. A big mobile ruckman/forward with elite kicking skills. Hopefully SAndo can teach him to HTFU

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The difference being SA has a culture of leaving Adelaide for better opportunity. It has been this way since before I was a Uni student. I remember the Uni people advertising how good they were because of the number of graduates that went on to careers interstate and overseas. Why would we expect footballers grown up in SA to be any different to the rest of the population. Many footballers would feel a loyalty to the club that drafted them. They become a part of the fabric of the club.

You fail to mention the Victorian or WA players that remain loyal to us. And don't go on about you don't rate the ones that have stayed but the players that have left.

Just because getting a player in ala Carey didn't work out, doesn't validate the argument that players won't come. Jarman came back. We just have to put offers out there. Of course everyone won't be interested, but some will be and some of those will be good players. You guys talk like there is some sort of formula, be a good club = players will flock in. But in reality players are people with lives, family, loyalty and each preson is a case by case basis. You can't draw a circle around the players who support your view but completely dismiss any player that doesn't support your argument.

Your point is getting even more stupid.

Now you're saying there is no point being a good club because players might leave anyway.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I couldn't give a flying **** about the perception of Adelaide, it has nothing to do with the points I've been making so why bring it up?


We've lost players.
We haven't attracted players.

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So this is your argument .......gee how can i debate against this logic

I bow to the stronger argument

FWIW .....Adelaide is NO DIFFERENT to any other club .......it's held in the highest regards in the AFL community ....EXCEPT BY ITS OWN SUPPORTERS .....

For any player wanting to develop their game in a professional club & have the best opportunity of a successful AFL career ......the AFC is highly regarded by players & PARENTS

THIS IS A FACT

 

[WaynesWorld19]

His value is definitely on the rise but he is uncontracted at seasons end. We have to come up with a suitable trade for this guy,he is exactly what our team lacks. A big mobile ruckman/forward with elite kicking skills. Hopefully SAndo can teach him to HTFU

Will happen as his body matures & his confidence grows

Given our desperate shortage of talls .......Gorringe has to be target # 1
Betts target # 2 .......but IMO we can still draft that player type if we miss out ......IMO we just haven't targeted that player type in the past

 

[mattymac]

Get outside the bubble of Adelaide ....and it's a common view of the eastern States

Should i have said Adelaide suffers from little brother syndrome ......does that make it more palatable EC?

Still waiting on your rationale on your argument that Adelaide is undesireable .......waiting

Dude your whole "hey bishes I live in Melbourne so you suck" routine is so lame. Take your own advice and get outside the bubble of the eastern states. Ever lived overseas? No one knows what a melbourne even is.

Melbourne is the definition of little whiny arse brother syndrome. They have a massive inferiority complex re Sydney and always have. They relentlessly beat up on Adelaide and have for decades because it makes them feel more important than they are. Of all the people I have met overseas none of them have mentioned Melbourne as a place they would want to live. Its too big for some and too small for others. Its just an awkward sized city at the arse end of the world with shit weather and an inferiority complex. Just because Melbourne based media blow smoke up their arses about how great they are doesn't make it true. Talk to the neutral observers from outside and it has all the disadvantages of a big city without the global relevance and has none of the charm and liveability of a small city. Its only a sector of AFL fans who think Melbourne is the centre of the world.

So tedious listening to you say we have an inferiority complex. It really sounds like you have to experience a bit more of the world beyond Australia to get some perspective.

 

[supernova_]

Sorry to intrude, did AFC relinquish their first 2 rounds for the upcoming draft?

If so are the supporters hoping to trade into the first round?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Dude your whole "hey bishes I live in Melbourne so you suck" routine is so lame. Take your own advice and get outside the bubble of the eastern states. Ever lived overseas? No one knows what a melbourne even is.

Correct .....but what's the point?

Melbourne is the definition of little whiny arse brother syndrome. They have a massive inferiority complex re Sydney and always have. They relentlessly beat up on Adelaide and have for decades because it makes them feel more important than they are.

Also correct ......but that doesn't change Adelaide's self image?

Of all the people I have met overseas none of them have mentioned Melbourne as a place they would want to live. Its too big for some and too small for others. Its just an awkward sized city at the arse end of the world with shit weather and an inferiority complex. Just because Melbourne based media blow smoke up their arses about how great they are doesn't make it true.

So the best form of defending Adelaide is to attack Melbourne ?.....BTW i lived in Adelaide longer than Melbourne and only transferred for work

Talk to the neutral observers from outside and it has all the disadvantages of a big city without the global relevance and has none of the charm and liveability of a small city. Its only a sector of AFL fans who think Melbourne is the centre of the world.

So tedious listening to you say we have an inferiority complex. It really sounds like you have to experience a bit more of the world beyond Australia to get some perspective

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Given I have travelled the world constantly for 12 years ......Mmmm maybe i have

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Sorry to intrude, did AFC relinquish their first 2 rounds for the upcoming draft?

If so are the supporters hoping to trade into the first round?

Yes lost first 2 rounds draft picks ......no chance of trading back into the 1st round .....2n round perhaps a possibility

 

[supernova_]

Yes lost first 2 rounds draft picks ......no chance of trading back into the 1st round .....2n round perhaps a possibility

Just throwing a hypothetical

What about our 1st + 2nd round picks for Rory Sloane? Approx Pick 5 + Pick 25 (just taking a stab at the rough number pick)

 

[*PAF]

Just throwing a hypothetical

What about our 1st + 2nd round picks for Rory Sloane? Approx Pick 5 + Pick 25 (just taking a stab at the rough number pick)

Why on earth would Adelaide want to trade Sloane for picks 5 and 25?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Just throwing a hypothetical

What about our 1st + 2nd round picks for Rory Sloane? Approx Pick 5 + Pick 25 (just taking a stab at the rough number pick)

some idiot on this board said any player is tradeable

Sloane i can guarantee will not be traded .......it's also where you list is age wise & where you think the club is in its chances of a flag

ATS you don't trade a 24YO for 18 YO players requiring another 3 years of development .......you want draftees to replace retirees

PLUS Sloane is a spiritual leader of the club ......you just don't trade those players

Any interest in 193cm Ottens for a second round?

 

[Elite Crow]

So this is your argument .......gee how can i debate against this logic

I bow to the stronger argument

FWIW .....Adelaide is NO DIFFERENT to any other club .......it's held in the highest regards in the AFL community ....EXCEPT BY ITS OWN SUPPORTERS .....

For any player wanting to develop their game in a professional club & have the best opportunity of a successful AFL career ......the AFC is highly regarded by players & PARENTS

THIS IS A FACT

You should bow to it because thats the evidence. Adelaide has lost more players than any other club and we struggle to recruit anyone. Carey and Jarman don't count as recruits, both were over 10 years ago.

And......Adelaide the club is different......FWIW.......see above.

 

[supernova_]

some idiot on this board said any player is tradeable

Sloane i can guarantee will not be traded .......it's also where you list is age wise & where you think the club is in its chances of a flag

ATS you don't trade a 24YO for 18 YO players requiring another 3 years of development .......you want draftees to replace retirees

PLUS Sloane is a spiritual leader of the club ......you just don't trade those players

Any interest in 193cm Ottens for a second round?

Fair enough.

Doubt there would be interest in Ottens, we have a dozen players on our list over 195cm.

 

[WAG]

Just throwing a hypothetical

What about our 1st + 2nd round picks for Rory Sloane? Approx Pick 5 + Pick 25 (just taking a stab at the rough number pick)

 

[supernova_]

Why on earth would Adelaide want to trade Sloane for picks 5 and 25?

It's a question mate, they will have an age hole in their list from missing 2 years in the draft.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Just throwing a hypothetical

What about our 1st + 2nd round picks for Rory Sloane? Approx Pick 5 + Pick 25 (just taking a stab at the rough number pick)

Yeah, no. He wants to stay, we want him to stay so a deal like that, would never get the green light.

Not anymore but IMO, I feel to get this deal done, a club would have to offer ridiculous overs. Like 2 top 5 picks.

Not saying that's what he is worth, but some sort of offer that would be way to hard to turn down.

 

[dylan123]

Just what we needed, another hard-nut with average skills to join the already long list of hard nuts with poor skills clogging up our list. Not a bad player, but just not what we need at the moment, as opposed to Graham who was a bad player, but we grabbed him anyway because his type was what we needed.

I agree he's not exactly we need, we need some class/finish to our side but I don't think we've got a list full of hard-nut players either for that matter and he would make the 22 fairly easily if we were to get him.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

It's a question mate, they will have an age hole in their list from missing 2 years in the draft.

Not an age hole, but a talent hole.

We can still pick up 18 year olds but due to the position we will pick them up, they won't be as talented as we would like.

 

[mattymac]

Given I have travelled the world constantly for 12 years ......Mmmm maybe i have

Strange. Most people who have lived overseas for extended periods become more mature with regard to such things and don't succumb so easily to cheap narratives like "oh Adelaide has an inferiority complex and the eastern states are just ace"

Being pissed with the underperforming admin of our footy team =/= inferiority complex

 

[*PAF]

It's a question mate, they will have an age hole in their list from missing 2 years in the draft.

Every player on every list should be tradeable for the right price but the best they can hope to get for pick 5 is a player that in a few years will be as good as Sloane is right now.
That would be a very silly trade.
It would be a very different story if Sloane wanted to be traded out but he doesn't.

EDIT: Forgot to add that Sloane is only 23.

 

[Glenno23]

I thought talk of a Sloane trade would be red cardable?

Penalty doubled after last week's heroics

 

[Crow-eater]

Why on earth would Adelaide want to trade Sloane??

EFA