List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

[aussierulesrules]

IF it happens though, where do we go with it?

Brayshaw.

 

[Barrels]

Gotta be Durdin right?

I'm leaning more to the side of stacking the midfield. We need a bit of *shudder* X-factor (I hate the term), and I think that Pickett and Laverde are the two that really scream that in this year's draft once Petracca is gone. Ahern is probably the other because of his sheer pace.

 

[Rors]

Yep, if we are pick #4, I'd be going Brayshaw then take McKenzie or Keitel with a later pick

Regardless, we're getting Jon Patton at the end of next year so I'm not too fussed

 

[Kilroy]

Pick 4 without Wright or McCartin is a disaster.

Rahul, I respect your opinion in such matters. Why all the doom and gloom? We have a robust process in place, do we not?
Why throw the baby out with the bath water?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'm leaning more to the side of stacking the midfield. We need a bit of *shudder* X-factor (I hate the term), and I think that Pickett and Laverde are the two that really scream that in this year's draft once Petracca is gone. Ahern is probably the other because of his sheer pace.

Most clubs manage to stack their midfield all the time. Only StKilda under Lyon ( he seems to like Barlow fine now ) didn't.
Geelong - Selwood at pick 7.
Adelaide - Dangerfield at pick 10 ( Cotchin was pick 2 ).
2008 - multiple good players - a bit hard to put the early ones ( Hill, Yarran, Rich ) ahead of the others ( Sidebottom, Beams , Zharakis, Suban )
2009 - Dustin Martin was overlooked in favour of Scully and Trengove, but Fyfe was pick 20.
2010 - Heppel pick 8.
2011 - Tyson at 3, Wingard at 6.
2012 - Wines -pick 7

My point? The mids that are most highly regarded at the time of draft are not usually those that go the best ( oh but this year will be different ...... again )
Also , you can get a pretty good mid even if you aren't at the bottom of the ladder.

Now talls.
The goalkicking leaders:
Schulz, traded for Mitch Farmer lol, you can almost imagine that Beau Maister would go just as well with that midfield feeding him.
Franklin : traded for a million bucks tying up their salary cap for the foreseeable future, even with their bullshit cola. Originally an early pick.
Hawkins : F/S
Jack Riewoldt : late first rounder.
Jarryd Roughead : pick 2
Nick Riewoldt : Pick 1
Josh Kennedy" massive trade, originally pick 4. (mark murphy, daisy and xavier ellis ... lol ).
Josh Jenkins : Rookie.
Cloke : F/s
Petrie : Pick 23
Cameron : presumably would have been an early pick.

So no-one knows where to get the next big forward from. But unless you are brilliant at spotting untapped talent, ( Schulz ) or want to sell the family farm in a trade , or have a handy F/S the players that stand out for me among that lot are Franklin, Roughead, Nick Riewoldt, Jeremy Cameron and Josh Kennedy . Early picks.

"IF" our recruiters rate Wright and McCartin ( not as the best in this draft, but as good players in their own right ) we should give them a shot.
Gun midfielders just keep happening.

No offense to Mark Murphy, but it would be easier to replace him, than to get a Josh Kennedy.

 

[Barrels]

Most clubs manage to stack their midfield all the time. Only StKilda under Lyon ( he seems to like Barlow fine now ) didn't.
Geelong - Selwood at pick 7.
Adelaide - Dangerfield at pick 10 ( Cotchin was pick 2 ).
2008 - multiple good players - a bit hard to put the early ones ( Hill, Yarran, Rich ) ahead of the others ( Sidebottom, Beams , Zharakis, Suban )
2009 - Dustin Martin was overlooked in favour of Scully and Trengove, but Fyfe was pick 20.
2010 - Heppel pick 8.
2011 - Tyson at 3, Wingard at 6.
2012 - Wines -pick 7

My point? The mids that are most highly regarded at the time of draft are not usually those that go the best ( oh but this year will be different ...... again )
Also , you can get a pretty good mid even if you aren't at the bottom of the ladder.

Now talls.
The goalkicking leaders:
Schulz, traded for Mitch Farmer lol, you can almost imagine that Beau Maister would go just as well with that midfield feeding him.
Franklin : traded for a million bucks tying up their salary cap for the foreseeable future, even with their bullshit cola. Originally an early pick.
Hawkins : F/S
Jack Riewoldt : late first rounder.
Jarryd Roughead : pick 2
Nick Riewoldt : Pick 1
Josh Kennedy" massive trade, originally pick 4. (mark murphy, daisy and xavier ellis ... lol ).
Josh Jenkins : Rookie.
Cloke : F/s
Petrie : Pick 23
Cameron : presumably would have been an early pick.

So no-one knows where to get the next big forward from. But unless you are brilliant at spotting untapped talent, ( Schulz ) or want to sell the family farm in a trade , or have a handy F/S the players that stand out for me among that lot are Franklin, Roughead, Nick Riewoldt, Jeremy Cameron and Josh Kennedy . Early picks.

"IF" our recruiters rate Wright and McCartin ( not as the best in this draft, but as good players in their own right ) we should give them a shot.
Gun midfielders just keep happening.

No offense to Mark Murphy, but it would be easier to replace him, than to get a Josh Kennedy.

I dont disagree at all, but the comment was predicated on Wright and McCartin being gone already. None of Goddard, Lever, Marchbank or Durdin is arguably a forward, which is what we need. All seem better suited to CHB at this stage, with Durdin probably the best forward of that lot.

That being said, if Brucey ultimately ends up a forward - and he still might - then a CHB would be ace, and I note that Lever has officially hit genuine KPP size at 194cm, up from 191cm at the end of last year.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

History tells us it's extremely rare for pick 1 to be the best player from their draft. As much as it sounds awesome to get McCartin or Petracca chances are neither will be the best in the draft.

Give me wins and pick 4 instead of losses and pick 1. Winning culture is good culture.

 

[aussierulesrules]

If we had pick 4 or 5 (most likely 5, as it would mean Melbourne had finished below us) then that would probably put us right in the range where you could be a lot better off trading down for two slightly lower picks, like maybe 10 and 12ish. If you managed to snare a Goddard or Lever with 10ish then the next pick could almost be considered a "freebie".

As for Pickett, all the talk about him seems to suggest that he only runs one way and has almost no defensive game at all and I don't think that would wash very well with Richo and his philosophies.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Also, Melb, GWS and Brissy are showing a bit of form and play each other so guaranteed a win or two. We may have 6 wins by the end of season and still have pick 2....my money's on GWS having pick 1.

 

[Rors]

Must say that Sydney Swans should be ripe for player poaching too, especially with Isaac Heeney being a preselection & being arguably the best mid in the draft. Surely that would make blokes like Shane Biggs, Tom Mitchell, Zac Jones, Brandon Jack more likely to consider a move, as they would most likely fall even further down the pecking order (if Heeney lives up to his ability/talent he's shown at U-18 level)

 

[Barrels]

Must say that Sydney Swans should be ripe for player poaching too, especially with Isaac Heeney being a preselection & being arguably the best mid in the draft. Surely that would make blokes like Shane Biggs, Tom Mitchell, Zac Jones, Brandon Jack more likely to consider a move, as they would most likely fall even further down the pecking order (if Heeney lives up to his ability/talent he's shown at U-18 level)

Had never heard of him, so I went and looked up Inside Football... Wahey! He's had a fair old season (yes, yes, I know its only the NEAFL). 23 year old 187cm 84kg mid. Anyone know anything about him? Skills, pace, etc....

Rookie contract runs out at the end of the year, so if we saw something we liked we would get him for nothing. Moooooneyballlllllll.

 

[Rors]

Had never heard of him, so I went and looked up Inside Football... Wahey! He's had a fair old season (yes, yes, I know its only the NEAFL). 23 year old 187cm 84kg mid. Anyone know anything about him? Skills, pace, etc....

Rookie contract runs out at the end of the year, so if we saw something we liked we would get him for nothing. Moooooneyballlllllll.

Don't know too much about him other than he averages about the same amount of touches as O'Keefe & Mitchell, not as many tackles or clearances, but a lot of rebound & inside 50s... Shame, he's just another back flanker though according to the review site below. Is a midfield type however with those sorts of numbers I wonder?

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/117512/Shane-BIGGS

 

[God Save Max King]

History tells us it's extremely rare for pick 1 to be the best player from their draft. As much as it sounds awesome to get McCartin or Petracca chances are neither will be the best in the draft.

Give me wins and pick 4 instead of losses and pick 1. Winning culture is good culture.

History will also tell us that Pick 4 is generally doesn't have the career Pick 1 has, and a 6-16 year is not that much better than a 4-18 year. It's not worth the two wins.

Rahul, I respect your opinion in such matters. Why all the doom and gloom? We have a robust process in place, do we not?
Why throw the baby out with the bath water?

IMO this year there is Petracca, then Wright & McCartin, then the rest (very even after that). I want Petracca or Boyd, and I'd much rather have one of them than a couple of wins and Brayshaw or Durdin.

Must say that Sydney Swans should be ripe for player poaching too, especially with Isaac Heeney being a preselection & being arguably the best mid in the draft. Surely that would make blokes like Shane Biggs, Tom Mitchell, Zac Jones, Brandon Jack more likely to consider a move, as they would most likely fall even further down the pecking order (if Heeney lives up to his ability/talent he's shown at U-18 level)

Agree Rors, we need to poach Jones, Jack or T Mitch. They also have Callum Mills coming through next year (I think he's better than Heeney, have fun with this Eddie) along with potential (read: extremely likely) father-son prospect Josh Dunkley, who would have been in the top bracket of mids. The time is now, invade the northern clubs.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Don't know too much about him other than he averages about the same amount of touches as O'Keefe & Mitchell, not as many tackles or clearances, but a lot of rebound & inside 50s... Shame, he's just another back flanker though

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/117512/Shane-BIGGS

Not him but they're the type we should target, those stuck behind very good players at the good sides not those stuck behind spuds at shit sides.

 

[Rors]

Not him but they're the type we should target, those stuck behind very good players at the good sides not those stuck behind spuds at shit sides.

Your too quick... I've edited

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Your too quick... I've edited

He played HB in his AFL games last year so not what we need, pass....

 

[SaintsSeptember]

History tells us it's extremely rare for pick 1 to be the best player from their draft. As much as it sounds awesome to get McCartin or Petracca chances are neither will be the best in the draft.

Give me wins and pick 4 instead of losses and pick 1. Winning culture is good culture.

Nah you just need to take pick 4 with your pick 1 choice ( see how this does your head in )?

 

[Rors]

He played HB in his AFL games last year so not what we need, pass....

I think he's a mid though, probably can't crack into the Swans reserves midfield because of Mitchell, O'Keefe & Jack, so they play him off half-back in rotation & he still kills it

Would be worth a rookie spot for us

 

[Barrels]

Not him but they're the type we should target, those stuck behind very good players at the good sides not those stuck behind spuds at shit sides.

Jordan Kelly...?

 

[Rors]

Jordan Kelly...?

He's a half back flanker...

 

[Barrels]

He's a half back flanker...

Then good side + stuck behind very good players = ..... Josh Walker....






*I'm so sorry......

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Then good side + stuck behind very good players = ..... Josh Walker....






*I'm so sorry......

Armitage2Riewoldt

 

[Hayes4PM]

Look what our recruiting and player management group did last year, I feel pretty confident we're headed in the right direction. Anyone want to complain about any of Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Templeton, Weller, Savage, Delaney, Bruce or Longer..?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Look what our recruiting and player management group did last year, I feel pretty confident we're headed in the right direction. Anyone want to complain about any of Billings, Dunstan, Acres, Templeton, Weller, Savage, Delaney, Bruce or Longer..?

There is my point a few others have mentioned it before as well.

Weller - behind Ablett, O'Meara, Prestia, Swallow etc
Savage - behind a premiership midfield
Delaney - behind AA Scott Thompson
Bruce - behind other talented players in a team loaded with talent
Longer - behind Leuenberger who when fit is pretty good

Those are the type of blokes we should continue targeting, mainly from the good sides just don't pick up anymore Dennis-Lanes.

 

[Barrels]

Armitage2Riewoldt

That one was for you.... xo

Seriously though, looking at the top 5 teams;

Sydney: Tom Mitchell, Brandon Jack, Shane Biggs, Tim Membrey
Hawthorn: Jordan Kelly, Angus Litherland
Fremantle: Tom Sheridan, Hayden Crozier, Tanner Smith
Geelong: Jordan Murdoch, Jordan Schroeder, Shane Kersten, Jackson Thurlow
Port: Aaron Young, Karl Amon, Ben Newton

North's Jamie MacMillan might be worth a punt too...

I left out the first year players (mostly) as they don't tend to be moved on...