List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

[Periphery]

Love the smurf.

I would happily use our 3rd on him.

 

[Barrels]

What where his numbers today?

Not sure, but averaged 25 touches a game across the Carnival.

 

[Adam H]

Give Wright an opportunity in the forward line, he is a very good KPF.

SA's midfield today didn't have anything close to the star-power of the midfield of Metro, yet they won. Essendon have several A-Grade mids yet cannot kick a winning score. Geelong's midfield is somewhat average, but they have Tom Hawkins there to

HF: Billings, Stanley, Templeton
FF: Minchington, Lee, Longer
That's not near AFL standard. It's not close, but I do admit the midfield looks very, very good.

Geelong where smashing sides with Mooney and a rotation of averaging second talls. Jack Riewoldt has won two Colemans and look at Richmond.

 

[Barrels]

Manimal_dunstan, Rahul...

C: Blake Acres, Christian Petracca, Jack Newnes
R: Tom Hickey, Jack Steven, Luke Dunstan
HF: Jack Billings, Kristian Jaksch, Paul Ahern
FF: Eli Templeton, Spencer White, Billy Longer
Int: Rhys Stanley

THATS how its going to go. Now knock it off you two....

 

[L_W_P]

Similarly, a gun forward line will cover for a not so good midfield.

I don't think this holds true at all.

Gone are the days of being able to 'kick it long' to a beast of a forward to watch him rip games apart. It's all about spread now. That genie is out of the bottle and he's not going back in.

We had a legendary centre half forward, a good honest full forward and one of the best crumbers of all time in front of a stacked midfield that was never known (from 2004-2012) for kicking bags of goals. In 2009 and 2010 we were beaten by teams with more potent midfields. While they may not have actually kicked the goals themselves having so many 'name' mids pushing forward means that they need to be covered just that little bit more.

I'm all for getting gun talls into the team but I'd prefer to build a deep and talented midfield first and formost.

Geelong won 3 flags with Nathan Ablett, Cam Mooney, Tom Hawkins and James Podsiadly holding the key forward posts. Collingwood had Travis Cloke and Chris Dawes in form so rare it hasn't been seen since. The Swans won a flag with Sam Reid and a one legged Goodes.

Only the Hawks of recent times can claim they won flags on the backs of key forwards but it was actually Jack Gunston who had the biggest impact of all their 'talls'. Roughead and Franklin basically played decoy roles v Fremantle and it was their midfield/half back setup that carried them in the 08 GF.

Fev is the only key forward in recent times who performed like a star in front of a shite midfield.

JRoo won colemans in front of top 10 picks in Deledio/Martin/Cotchin/Ellis/Conca. Even Jeremy Cameron had Cal Ward and the #1 pick orchestra for support.

I'll take Petracca thanks. Grab a 'decent' tall down the order and watch blokes hit him lace out.







*Note the above post is not paid for, or authorised by, the Vote #1 Christian Petracca Party. Thought of and written by a heartbroken fan from Cranbourne by way of Swan Hill.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Not sure, but averaged 25 touches a game across the Carnival.

17 disposals today.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Manimal_dunstan, Rahul...

C: Blake Acres, Christian Petracca, Jack Newnes
R: Tom Hickey, Jack Steven, Luke Dunstan
HF: Billings, Jaksch, Ahern
FF: Templeton, White, Longer
Int: Stanley

THATS how its going to go. Now knock it off you two....

You forgot to add the best tall forward from next years draft.

 

[Periphery]

For us to win a flag against GWS and GC we will need top quality forwards supplied by a top quality midfield so trying to figure out which we can skimp on is pointless.

I think our best option this year would be to trade pick 1 for Patton/Boyd, but this would only happen if GWS really wanted Petracca and Patton/Boyd wanted to spend more time in a crap team and I just can't see that happening. If we pick up a young key forward next year we run the risk of them being too young and not developed enough by the time we are contenders.

Mids are a bit easier to find and develop quicker so we don't need to load up on them just yet. We will still have a few more top 10 picks to come after this year so with smart recruiting we can fill those holes as we go but we desperately need a key forward.

 

[Barrels]

I don't think this holds true at all.

Gone are the days of being able to 'kick it long' to a beast of a forward to watch him rip games apart. It's all about spread now. That genie is out of the bottle and he's not going back in.

We had a legendary centre half forward, a good honest full forward and one of the best crumbers of all time in front of a stacked midfield that was never known (from 2004-2012) for kicking bags of goals. In 2009 and 2010 we were beaten by teams with more potent midfields. While they may not have actually kicked the goals themselves having so many 'name' mids pushing forward means that they need to be covered just that little bit more.

I'm all for getting gun talls into the team but I'd prefer to build a deep and talented midfield first and formost.

Geelong won 3 flags with Nathan Ablett, Cam Mooney, Tom Hawkins and James Podsiadly holding the key forward posts. Collingwood had Travis Cloke and Chris Dawes in form so rare it hasn't been seen since. The Swans won a flag with Sam Reid and a one legged Goodes.

Only the Hawks of recent times can claim they won flags on the backs of key forwards but it was actually Jack Gunston who had the biggest impact of all their 'talls'. Roughead and Franklin basically played decoy roles v Fremantle and it was their midfield/half back setup that carried them in the 08 GF.

Fev is the only key forward in recent times who performed like a star in front of a shite midfield.

JRoo won colemans in front of top 10 picks in Deledio/Martin/Cotchin/Ellis/Conca. Even Jeremy Cameron had Cal Ward and the #1 pick orchestra for support.

I'll take Petracca thanks. Grab a 'decent' tall down the order and watch blokes hit him lace out.







*Note the above post is not paid for, or authorised by, the Vote #1 Christian Petracca Party. Thought of and written by a heartbroken fan from Cranbourne by way of Swan Hill.

 

[Barrels]

You forgot to add the best tall forward from next years draft.

Em: Schache

 

[hayes]

Rahul how did Wright go as an underager? Was he played as a forward?

 

[L_W_P]

For us to win a flag against GWS and GC we will need top quality forwards supplied by a top quality midfield so trying to figure out which we can skimp on is pointless.

I think our best option this year would be to trade pick 1 for Patton/Boyd, but this would only happen if GWS really wanted Petracca and Patton/Boyd wanted to spend more time in a crap team and I just can't see that happening. If we pick up a young key forward next year we run the risk of them being too young and not developed enough by the time we are contenders.

Mids are a bit easier to find and develop quicker so we don't need to load up on them just yet. We will still have a few more top 10 picks to come after this year so with smart recruiting we can fill those holes as we go but we desperately need a key forward.

This is where FA can help us.

Ride the quick development of an elite midfield to the top 8 while Lee, White, Stanley + Keitel/Watchman/Whoever give us glimpses.

Then when we are about where North/Collingwood are, we go shopping for Boyd/Patton/Cameron/Wright/McCartin/Hogan - Whoever is out of contract and willing to talk turkey.

 

[God Save Max King]

Great post LWP, but I still cannot bring myself to draft a midfielder, and one that isn't clearly the cream of the crop, at #1. 1 star midfielder is not equal to 1 star key forward. Have a look at the players who are capable of winning the game almost single-handedly, there's Gary Ablett (will struggle to find another player like him, ever), Scott Pendlebury (see Ablett), Travis Cloke, Nick Riewoldt, Lance Franklin and Jack Riewoldt (he's killed us a few times, as he has many other teams).

For us to win a flag against GWS and GC we will need top quality forwards supplied by a top quality midfield so trying to figure out which we can skimp on is pointless.

Very very true, but it's much easier to find a quality midfielder late than it is a quality forward.

You forgot to add the best tall forward from next years draft.

I've gone cold on most of the forwards for next year, but mostly because the quality talls of this year are holding them back. Will be great to see some true forwards in Burton, Weideman and Schache next season.

Rahul how did Wright go as an underager? Was he played as a forward?

Had back issues, caused real problems for him, but came back and was very good in the TAC Cup.

 

[Adam H]

Id be reasonably happy with Lee at full forward in three years time with a elite mid field in front of him.

 

[Highlander35]

Only caught the second game today, but Caleb Daniel was mighty impressive for a wee laddie, while Wright was very underwhelming. Looked to have the technical things right, but looked a bit like Holmes around the ground in terms of his positioning.

Of course, this is the only game I've seen, and have never seen any of these boys before. But it was rather underwhelming compared to the JRWC last month where I watched every game.

 

[Persevering Saint]

I'm telling you, after seeing McCartin, etc, this year, I so want us to trade our top pick for Patton or Boyd or Cameron - any of those GWS talls. They crap all over this year's bunch. But I guess that's the problem. If we don't want the #1 pick, why the hell would the Giants want it? So they can replace an awesome player that they've already developed, with a less-talented and less-devoloped player?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Only caught the second game today, but Caleb Daniel was mighty impressive for a wee laddie, while Wright was very underwhelming. Looked to have the technical things right, but looked a bit like Holmes around the ground in terms of his positioning.

Of course, this is the only game I've seen, and have never seen any of these boys before. But it was rather underwhelming compared to the JRWC last month where I watched every game.

Clinton Jones should be gone so Caleb Daniel is safe coming to St Kilda.

 

[L_W_P]

Is this the 'one' of which you speak?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

UB i'll be putting you on ignore if i see that Josh Walker post again......

 

[L_W_P]

Great post LWP, but I still cannot bring myself to draft a midfielder, and one that isn't clearly the cream of the crop, at #1. 1 star midfielder is not equal to 1 star key forward. Have a look at the players who are capable of winning the game almost single-handedly, there's Gary Ablett (will struggle to find another player like him, ever), Scott Pendlebury (see Ablett), Travis Cloke, Nick Riewoldt, Lance Franklin and Jack Riewoldt (he's killed us a few times, as he has many other teams).

It's ok to let go man... If UB can do it then you can too.

Petracca has been dominating this year while none of the KPP's are standing up. I think he is starting to put a gap on the pack...

 

[saint sational]

can anyone give me an update on todays game?
best players for each side? goal kickers? big movers in draft?

 

[Punter!]

IMO our recruiting strategy at the moment is built around certainty.

I don't think we took any risks last year, which I think is a good thing.
Eg Billings was highly rated at #3 and a rising star nomination in his first year justifies it at this point.
Dunstan was a bonafide gun inside mid with leadership talent all over him
Acres was probably the slider but had been previously touted as a top 10 pick until his shoulder injury.
Even with Templeton and Weller - Templeton was widely tipped to be drafted, some had him in the top 20 in phantom drafts and Weller obviously had the runs on the board at GC.
Longer - a former top 10 pick.
Bruce and Delaney were unproven, but cost very little.

I just feel like the strategy is very deliberate and measured.. and we are not in the business right now of taking a huge risk with a #1 pick in our hands. Hence - we are all uncertain that Wright/McCartin are going to be bonafide star key forwards.

What will 1 season difference make if we choose to draft the gun key forward next season?
Why the rush to land Boyd/Patton etc.. right now?
We could easily trade our first round pick next year for one of Boyd/Patton. IMO they are both FF types that can't both play alongside Cameron I would of thought. GWS may well be in a poor bargaining position when one of them declares they want out for more opportunity and/or to come home.
And then there's of course Free Agency where we can bring the gun key forward in straight away.

Anyway, I think we will likely select Petracca this year as this this is the 'safe' option at number 1.
Its pretty rare a winner of the Larke Medal doesn't go on to have a very good AFL career.
Previous winners include Sheed, Whitfield, Coniglio, Bennel, Swallow, Watts, Marc Murphy, Tom Hawkins

This is the option I think we will take, unless the Pelican can trade say pick #1 with GWS for their pick#3 and a fringe player that we really want. And then we get one of Wright/McCartin/Petracca anyway.

 

[Barrels]

I'm telling you, after seeing McCartin, etc, this year, I so want us to trade our top pick for Patton or Boyd or Cameron - any of those GWS talls. They crap all over this year's bunch. But I guess that's the problem. If we don't want the #1 pick, why the hell would the Giants want it? So they can replace an awesome player that they've already developed, with a less-talented and less-devoloped player?

So they can take Durdin or Goddard with it...

The only place they're even close to lacking in is key defenders; Mohr is good, not great - as is Frost - Davis keeps getting hurt and Corr seems better suited to being a very tall 3rd tall defender.

The proposed two give them valuable 'swingmen', as much as I hate that term...

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

(Good average photoshop )

 

[Barrels]

UB i'll be putting you on ignore if i see that Josh Walker post again......

Better?