List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

[Manimal_Dunstan]

if we drafted McCartin and Keitel was available at our next pick, would we take him?

Depends who else is at our next selection, IMO Tom Lamb could also be at our second rounder and we also need those decent outside mids..

I don't know much about Kietel is he another KPF? do you know his height?

 

[Defacto]

Depends who else is at our next selection, IMO Tom Lamb could also be at our second rounder and we also need those decent outside mids..

I don't know much about Kietel is he another KPF? do you know his height?

should have said that if the following are all gone:
McCartin
Pertracca
Brayshaw
Durdin
Duggan
Wright
Ellis
Pickett
Lever
DeGoey
Weller
Goddard
Moore
Ahern
Bampton
Marchbank
Smith
Heeney
Lamb
Blakely

 

[saintsrfreak]

No pressure, Paddy

 

[Hayes4PM]

should have said that if the following are all gone:
McCartin
Pertracca
Brayshaw
Durdin
Duggan
Wright
Ellis
Pickett
Lever
DeGoey
Weller
Goddard
Moore
Ahern
Bampton
Marchbank
Smith
Heeney
Lamb
Blakely

Hmmm... Keitel seems pretty highly rated so yeah our 2nd would be a good get by the sounds of it.

 

[God Save Max King]

should have said that if the following are all gone:
McCartin
Pertracca
Brayshaw
Durdin
Duggan
Wright
Ellis
Pickett
Lever
DeGoey
Weller
Goddard
Moore
Ahern
Bampton
Marchbank
Smith
Heeney
Lamb
Blakely

I expect that we'd take Laverde and run. Don't think he gets past GWS' 2nd selection.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Reece McKenzie 10 goals in the TAC Cup today.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Reece McKenzie 10 goals in the TAC Cup today.

Should've kept it under the wraps, we don't want to get Barrels started.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Reece McKenzie 10 goals in the TAC Cup today.

 

[Periphery]

From Chris25:

Caleb Daniel
Height: 167cm
Weight: 66kg
From: South Adelaide, South Australia
Position: Midfielder, Forward​

After his last two matches at the U18 Championships, the name on everyone's lips is Caleb Daniel so I figure it's about time I did his profile. For anyone who follows the South Australian U18 scene, nothing about his last two weeks was a surprise. And prior to the Championships, I tipped him to take home MVP honours. Unfortunately, his injury from earlier in the season kept him out of the opening rounds and ultimately the MVP race. But I think it's safe to say he probably would have won, had he played every game.

I'll change things up this time, and start with his weaknesses as a player. And literally the only negative to his game, is the fact that he is 167cm. That's it.

Last year, Daniel started the season in the U18s but quickly worked his way into the South Adelaide league side as a 166cm 16 year old. And he wasn't just making up the numbers, as he finished the league season by playing 10 games and averaging 17 disposals. Unfortunately, he suffered an ankle injury early this season and only made it back onto the park about 6 weeks ago now. And when he did return? Well, his combined two game total of 48 disposals, 13 tackles and a disposal efficiency of around 90% pretty much says it all.

His strengths as a footballer are pretty obvious. And I'll use the SANFL U18 Academy testing results from the start of the year to highlight them. Caleb Daniel finished 1st in the beep test, 5th in the 3km time trial and 5th in the 20m sprint. It's rare that you'll get someone with both the endurance and speed to do that. And it's even rarer when that person is a footballer, not an athlete - as shown by his top 10 finishes in both the handballing and kicking tests. Daniel can run all day, sprint away from the packs and has elite disposal. There is nobody else in this draft that can boast that. And on the park, he is even better. Ball magnet is pretty much the only way of describing him. If he sees the ball, he will inevitably get it - whether he has to go in and win it himself, or run hard to link up on the outside. When he does get the ball, he can pinpoint a short pass or kick it over 50m. And for everyone who uses his size to talk him down, they need to watch him play a lot more. He does not play as though he is 167cm. His ability to stand up in a tackle is Gary Ablett like.

Probably the most pleasing thing for me to come from the Championships, was his form around goals. If I had one question mark on him, it was a lack of a forward game and any player around the 170cm mark will be expected to spend time in a forward pocket. At the start of the year, I would have had Daniel as a midfielder and that's it. But he showed a natural feel for where the goals are, and his tackling pressure as a small forward would be unbelievable at the top level.

So, basically for those who couldn't be bothered reading that, Caleb Daniel is a 167cm version of Gary Ablett and destined to be the #1 pick. Right? Well, no. Obviously his height will hold him back a bit. And it's possible that many recruiters had him as a rookie pick at best coming into the season. But any recruiter who doesn't take note of his Championships performances and start recognising the pure footballing talent should be sacked. Caleb Daniel will not last until the rookie draft. I have no doubts he is top 5 on talent alone, there is nobody with his skill set in this draft. And as a whole, this draft isn't looking great. If someone doesn't pounce in the 3rd round at the absolute latest, I would be very surprised.

Just because there is nobody else his size in the AFL at the moment, it doesn't mean there can't be one. It's just that nobody has ever been as good as Caleb Daniel before.

​

 

[Barrels]

Should've kept it under the wraps, we don't want to get Barrels started.

Waaay waayyy too late

Round 1: Christian Petracca
(Priority: Reece McKenzie)
Round 2: Lukas Webb/Reece McKenzie

All jokes aside, neither Wright nor McCartin has kicked 10 this season, or at all AFAIK, and McKenzie at 196cm 100kg is a beast of a lad that could play straight away.

It's particularly impressive considering this is first season back from top level basketball too...

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Pick 1
Pick 2 compo pick

thanks AFL.

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Pick 1
Pick 2 compo pick

thanks AFL.

Who would you take? McCartin & Petracca or would you go McCartin and say Durdin - grab the talls early and bank on picking up good mids later in the draft...

 

[Barrels]

Who would you take? McCartin & Petracca or would you go McCartin and say Durdin - grab the talls early and bank on picking up good mids later in the draft...

Petracca and Ahern. We need class.

McKenzie in the 2nd round.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Who would you take? McCartin & Petracca or would you go McCartin and say Durdin - grab the talls early and bank on picking up good mids later in the draft...

McCartin and Petracca for sure.

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Petracca and Ahern. We need class.

McKenzie in the 2nd round.

I think McCartin is a given with one of those picks so it is a question of who else.....what u suggest is good but we will grab a tall fwd and go with best available with the second and I think that would be McCartin & Petracca.......I would love Ahern though!!

 

[Periphery]

Petracca and Ahern. We need class.

McKenzie in the 2nd round.

No way.

McCartin and Petracca or trade pick 2 for GWS pick 20, 23, 40 and Jaksch.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Knightmare doesn't even have McKenzie in his draft (i don't think), he isn't the answer. If we're taking a young tall it should be one from the top end.

 

[Barrels]

Knightmare doesn't even have McKenzie in his draft (i don't think), he isn't the answer. If we're taking a young tall it should be one from the top end.

Grab him late then... 10 goals is 10 goals...

Wright's best this year is 6 and McCartin 4. FWIW, Knightmare ain't the Messiah, for all his great work, and my man Chris25 has him going at #26 to Richmond, and has posted a superb profile on the Drafts board:

Reece McKenzie
Height: 196cm
Weight: 100kg
From: Northern Knights, Vic Metro
Position: Forward

Fresh off a 10 goal haul in the TAC Cup yesterday, Reece McKenzie is next up on my list of profiles. He's a player who isn't getting a lot of exposure, but one that I rate highly. All season, I've had McKenzie as a top 5 key forward in this draft and a likely second round draft pick. But it seems not all agree.

I'll start with his game yesterday - 18 disposals, 13 marks (6 of those contested), three goal assists, 10 goals and 4 behinds. A total of 256 Supercoach points for those of you keeping score. It is without the doubt the best game he has played, and will probably end up as the individual performance of the 2014 TAC Cup season. Hopefully it's the game that sees him take his game to the next level consistently, but even that one game would likely be enough to get him drafted. Although having said that, his other games this season haven't been bad by any means. McKenzie had kicked 8 goals in 5 games leading into the match, switching between full forward and the ruck. It's been good to see him get a chance to stretch his legs, as opposed to playing out of the goal square all match. He has shown enough to suggest that pinch hitting could be in his future if needed.

Unfortunately, it hasn't all been good news for McKenzie this year. Through a combination of injury and competition for spots, he only managed the one game for Vic Metro in the U18 Championships this year. Which I did find a little odd. I understand that the likes of Wright and Moore will be picked first, but he deserved more game time and showed more than enough in his one game to get another. And further exposure at the top level would have been a real positive for his development too. He didn't play any TAC Cup football last year, as he chose to instead focus on basketball, so in the grand scheme of things he is still relatively raw as a player.

Despite a limited viewing sample this year, the reason I'm confident that McKenzie will get a chance come November is because he is essentially the template for what clubs are looking for in a key forward - over 195cm, strong body, contested marker, athletic. He isn't going to run all day from a CHF position, but his basketball background has given him quite decent agility for someone his size and weight. And it's the contested marking that will really make teams take notice. Roughly half his marks in the TAC Cup this year have been contested ones. And being able to clunk a mark like that isn't something you can really teach, which gives him a massive advantage.

But, McKenzie isn't a sure thing by any means. And in picking him, you are largely picking someone on potential with only flashes of performance. That's always a risk, and can go either way. Clubs are always going to back their development programs though. Otherwise, his kicking is where he lets himself down quite a bit. As I said before, he had kicked 8 goals in his 5 games before this weekend. But, he'd also kicked 8 behinds and finished with another 4 to go with his ten goal haul. He'll need to improve that if he is to truly be a focal point up forward, and while he seems to know his limitations during general game play, some of his field kicking could stand to improve too. And like all key position players, consistency and fading in and out of games has been a slight issue this year.

Personally, I tend to think a lot of his weaknesses will be ironed out with a good 2-3 years of development at an AFL club. It's then just a matter of whether it all clicks, or if he remains one of those potentially great forwards who never quite make it. In terms of draft position, I could see him going anywhere from the second to the third round. It's not a great draft for genuine full forwards - you have McCartin, Wright and then some of the Academy boys. It's why I rate McKenzie as the third or fourth best on the open market. And with a strong finish to the season, there is no reason he couldn't sneak into the top 20 like Michael Apeness did last year. Teams will pay for a player like him.

I'd definitely have him as a 2nd KPF if we go with Wright/McCartin...

 

[God Save Max King]

McCartin and Petracca. Just listen to that for a second. I'd much, much, much, much rather trade down AT LEAST one selection, if we get a priority pick (unlikely to be before the 1st round). As for Reece McKenzie, he will be drafted unless he does something dumb off-field.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Petracca or a trade/pick down grade for me makes most sense. Not enough evidence that McArtin or Wright are significant improvements on what we have already. Stanley showing signs he will be a high level fwd/second ruck. Don't see enough to suggest Wright will definitely be a better player, or if he is, by a big enough margin.

Too many flaws in Maccas makeup for pick 1 for mine. Plus White could yet make it. And he's got a far > upside.

Especially when we'll have first bite next draft at the top talls, plus trade winds blowing out of Western Sydney.

Petracca also offers something we lack, a dynamic big bodied, goal kicking mid. Different type to Dunstan, Billings, Ross, etc. The ability to change possie & lose 8kg a good sign of attitude for mine.

 

[Defacto]

pick downgrade or a serious midfielder or two trade. doubt any club would give them up though

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I'm back on the bandwagon with a brilliant photoshop job.

Keep pick 1 back in the recruiting team instead of this trade crap, take McCartin or Petracca IMO.

 

[cooperrules]

Sounds like we have written off tom lee with a push for 2 tall forwards in this draft.

 

[cooperrules]

I'm back on the bandwagon with a brilliant photoshop job.

Keep pick 1 back in the recruiting team instead of this trade crap, take McCartin or Petracca IMO.

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Can you give him a better set of fangs?

 

[God Save Max King]

Pick 1 just isn't very good this year. Neither is 2, or 3, IMO.