List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Prospects

[Barrels]

Marchbank or Durdin or even McKenzie may end up better than McCartin and Wright.

Even McKenzie? EVEN McKenzie?!!!



Please.

 

[DudleyB]

Even McKenzie? EVEN McKenzie?!!!

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Please.

Well hes a large UNIT!
Look at those god darn legs.
What is that kid on?

 

[Barrels]

Well hes a large UNIT!
Look at those god darn legs.
What is that kid on?

Awesomesauce.

 

[DudleyB]

Its blood depressing to think both GWS and GC get ANOTHER two top 20 draft picks each.
Both are already chock a block with young talent.
I dont even know where to start and where to end but each of those sides has 12-16 more good young players than us - and now they get another 2 each.

 

[Kilroy]

Its blood depressing to think both GWS and GC get ANOTHER two top 20 draft picks each.
Both are already chock a block with young talent.
I dont even know where to start and where to end but each of those sides has 12-16 more good young players than us - and now they get another 2 each.

A long-term view might suggest that there is a law of gravity in football.
What goes North, must come South.
Melbourne is the heartland of AFL footy. We eat it for breakfast. It's not a sideshow here, it's part of the fabric.
I believe more than 90% of the players come from around Melbourne. It's more than just the "go-home" factor....
.......it's the Melbourne-factor.
It won't happen today, but it will happen.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I am very skeptical about both McCartin and Wright.

Wright looks like a poor mans Kreuzer and McCartin is nowhere near as good as Boyd was last year.

I think we need to be realistic. Its a terrible year to have the number 1 pick. Marchbank or Durdin or even McKenzie may end up better than McCartin and Wright.

I think we should wait and see what happens for the rest of the season and see how they go at the Draft camp.

But Kreuzer is a ruckman, wheras a lot of commentators are praising Wright's work as a forward.

 

[DudleyB]

But Kreuzer is a ruckman, wheras a lot of commentators are praising Wright's work as a forward.

Not true

Kreuzer was considered a ruck/fwd Simon Madden kind of player and dominated TAC cup/Under 18 much more than Wright has ever done. Kreuzer kicked 51 goals in his two TAC Cup seasons. How many has Wright kicked?

So as I said - Wright is poor mans Kreuzer. If Kreuzer cant make it as a fwd in the AFL I remain EXTREMELY skeptical Wright will.

I think we need to get realistic and not fantasise about these young players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Kreuzer

Kreuzer established himself as both the team's No. 1 ruckman and as a key forward during that time, scoring 51 goals in his 33 games with the Knights. In 2007, he won the Morrish Medal and the Knights' best and fairest, and he was selected in the Victorian Metropolitan and All-Australian under-18s teams, and in the TAC Cup Teams of the Year in both 2006 and 2007.

 

[Periphery]

How many has Wright kicked?

20 goals so far from 6 games in the TAC cup this year. 27 from 12 games last year.

E: McCartin: 4 goals from 1 game in 2014. 21 goals from 8 in 2013.
McKenzie: 18 goals from 6 games (10 goals in 1 game) in 2014. No games played in 2013.

 

[Defacto]

Not true

Kreuzer was considered a ruck/fwd Simon Madden kind of player and dominated TAC cup/Under 18 much more than Wright has ever done. Kreuzer kicked 51 goals in his two TAC Cup seasons. How many has Wright kicked?

So as I said - Wright is poor mans Kreuzer. If Kreuzer cant make it as a fwd in the AFL I remain EXTREMELY skeptical Wright will.

I think we need to get realistic and not fantasise about these young players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Kreuzer

Kreuzer established himself as both the team's No. 1 ruckman and as a key forward during that time, scoring 51 goals in his 33 games with the Knights. In 2007, he won the Morrish Medal and the Knights' best and fairest, and he was selected in the Victorian Metropolitan and All-Australian under-18s teams, and in the TAC Cup Teams of the Year in both 2006 and 2007.

this.

i am also extremely skeptical paddy will make it too. looks like a bloke whos arrived 10 years too late. looks like a late in his career g train, or a heatley. hell even g train was very agile and athletic from an early age. i'm not convinced paddy is

 

[Defacto]

if you took paddy and put him in the WA side and then took keitel and put him in the vic country side, would we still be seeing mock drafts/opinion stating paddy is pick 1 and keitel is somewhere in the 2nd round?

 

[DudleyB]

20 goals so far from 6 games in the TAC cup this year. 27 from 12 games last year.

E: McCartin: 4 goals from 1 game in 2014. 21 goals from 8 in 2013.
McKenzie: 18 goals from 6 games (10 goals in 1 game) in 2014. No games played in 2013.

Interesting. Makes Wright pretty similar to Kreuzer then. Maybe a bit better?
Its all fairly unsettled in my mind. Still another 2 months of footy I guess.
Keep our eyes on Durdin as well.

When I see guys like Tom Lynch (GC), Cameron, Patton and Boyd playing I do wonder if this years crop are as good. We are still yet to see how Jesse 'Hulk' Hogan goes as well.

 

[God Save Max King]

if you took paddy and put him in the WA side and then took keitel and put him in the vic country side, would we still be seeing mock drafts/opinion stating paddy is pick 1 and keitel is somewhere in the 2nd round?

Keitel will be selected in the teens.

 

[Defacto]

the other thing ive been thinking a bit of lately is fwds that have gone in drafts gone, no where near pick 1 that i would rate much much much much higher than wright and paddy. heres one, mason shaw:


from memory he went in the late 20s early 30s. yet i'd take him anyday over paddy and wright

 

[God Save Max King]

Anyone looks good in highlights.

 

[Defacto]

Anyone looks good in highlights.

he was hardly a highlights player rahul. he dominated the colts competition over here

i'd actually say those highlights have done him a dis-service

 

[Defacto]

the point is i think we as supporters are so desperate for a KPF that we're accepting of anything really

i'm going to go out on a limb and say we wont select either of wright or mccartin

 

[Periphery]

If anyone is looking for info/results on the TAC cup this year: http://www.foxsportspulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-3020-0-294694-0&sID=229816#

 

[aussierulesrules]

Interesting. Makes Wright pretty similar to Kreuzer then. Maybe a bit better?
Its all fairly unsettled in my mind. Still another 2 months of footy I guess.

What I think it clearly says (Wright 47 goals from 18 games v Kruezer 51 from 33 games) is that while Kruezer was certainly effective up forward, that Wright is better performed up forward than him and that Kruezer is likely better in the ruck/forward role, while Wright is likely to be more effective than him in the forward/ruck role.

Everyone also needs to bear in mind that Kruezer was extremely good prior to all his recent injury issues and that had it not been for them he easily had the ability and temperament etc to have a seriously outstanding AFL career. Unfortunately, it seems that like with Kosi, Gumbleton, and maybe even Luenberger and others, we are never going to see his best of Kruezer, due to all those injuries. He was bloody good.

What also needs to be remembered is that Wright has had a lot of back issues in recent years and that had it not been for them that he would almost certainly have been a lot more dominant last season than he was and that would probably have been a lot better overall over this past two seasons had it not been for those problems derailing his footy for a good period of time there.

Keep our eyes on Durdin as well.

I have to say I was seriously impressed with his marking in SA's 2nd last game at the champs against VC. The way he was clunking all those overhead marks so cleanly was excellent, but by far the most impressive thing was those couple of marks he took at full speed when he launched himself over the top of whoever was in front of him to mark overhead at full stretch over the top of them. It just reminded me so much of a young and skinny Nick Riewoldt it wasn't funny. There are very few who have the ability to regularly take those sorts of marks. He is damn skinny though. Noticeably thinner than the likes of Goddard, McCartin and Wright.

He is another one that is just coming back from injury and who, like Aish, in similar circumstances last year, really only showed glimpses of his best at the champs.

 

[HayesTheChamp]

What I think it clearly says (Wright 47 goals from 18 games v Kruezer 51 from 33 games) is that while Kruezer was certainly effective up forward, that Wright is better performed up forward than him and that Kruezer is likely better in the ruck/forward role, while Wright is likely to be more effective than him in the forward/ruck role.

Everyone also needs to bear in mind that Kruezer was extremely good prior to all his recent injury issues and that had it not been for them he easily had the ability and temperament etc to have a seriously outstanding AFL career. Unfortunately, it seems that like with Kosi, Gumbleton, and maybe even Luenberger and others, we are never going to see his best of Kruezer, due to all those injuries. He was bloody good.

What also needs to be remembered is that Wright has had a lot of back issues in recent years and that had it not been for them that he would almost certainly have been a lot more dominant last season than he was and that would probably have been a lot better overall over this past two seasons had it not been for those problems derailing his footy for a good period of time there.


I have to say I was seriously impressed with his marking in SA's 2nd last game at the champs against VC. The way he was clunking all those overhead marks so cleanly was excellent, but by far the most impressive thing was those couple of marks he took at full speed when he launched himself over the top of whoever was in front of him to mark overhead at full stretch over the top of them. It just reminded me so much of a young and skinny Nick Riewoldt it wasn't funny. There are very few who have the ability to regularly take those sorts of marks. He is damn skinny though. Noticeably thinner than the likes of Goddard, McCartin and Wright.

He is another one that is just coming back from injury and who, like Aish, in similar circumstances last year, really only showed glimpses of his best at the champs.

Good thing about durdin, his injury was merely a thumb. I'm not worried about his longevity as yet, concerned with Wright and potentially McCartin.

 

[cooperrules]

Its blood depressing to think both GWS and GC get ANOTHER two top 20 draft picks each.
Both are already chock a block with young talent.
I dont even know where to start and where to end but each of those sides has 12-16 more good young players than us - and now they get another 2 each.

It can also work in our favor they have another list cull this year I would imagine and the salary cap pressure will come they cant keep them all. Its a revolving door of mainly victorian footballers and we must pounce when the opportunity arives.

 

[karaoke]

Let me begin with saying I have no opinion on who I think is the best draft prospect this year.

What I really hope, is that we just choose the best player available.

We can all see the need for KPF's in our team, and so can the general footy population.

But, I hope that this need doesn't sway our drafting, particularly at no.1 pick.

If Petracca is the best, choose him.

Don't go choosing Wright or McCartin, because of a need, choose them because we absolutely 'see' them as the best player in the draft.

Nothing would 'delay' a rebuild then a wasted No. 1 pick, even though we are most likely to score another next year.

The war chest Finnis is loading into the 'cannon' can be aimed at a KPF, if that's what's required.

#draftthebest

 

[Smoke_Me_AKipper]

Let me begin with saying I have no opinion on who I think is the best draft prospect this year.

What I really hope, is that we just choose the best player available.

We can all see the need for KPF's in our team, and so can the general footy population.

But, I hope that this need doesn't sway our drafting, particularly at no.1 pick.

If Petracca is the best, choose him.

Don't go choosing Wright or McCartin, because of a need, choose them because we absolutely 'see' them as the best player in the draft.

Nothing would 'delay' a rebuild then a wasted No. 1 pick, even though we are most likely to score another next year.

The war chest Finnis is loading into the 'cannon' can be aimed at a KPF, if that's what's required.

#draftthebest

Well said

i thinkwho we rate as the best player will inform what we do via trades/free agency - if we think Petracca then we will go for a tall like Jaksch and then go for another tall next year when they all come out of contract (GWS) or next year someone like Shache (??) who looks the goods...

 

[TheLastEmperor]

The Pelican: "Yo SOS, we have pick 1 on the table for Boyd and as you know he wants to be traded to the Saints. Next year he's out of contract, he will still want to play for us, you will have wasted a year of development on him and there's no guarantee we have pick 1 to offer you."

 

[saintsrfreak]

Interesting. Makes Wright pretty similar to Kreuzer then. Maybe a bit better?
Its all fairly unsettled in my mind. Still another 2 months of footy I guess.
Keep our eyes on Durdin as well.

When I see guys like Tom Lynch (GC), Cameron, Patton and Boyd playing I do wonder if this years crop are as good. We are still yet to see how Jesse 'Hulk' Hogan goes as well.

Lol, you opinion flipped pretty quickly

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Not true

Kreuzer was considered a ruck/fwd Simon Madden kind of player and dominated TAC cup/Under 18 much more than Wright has ever done. Kreuzer kicked 51 goals in his two TAC Cup seasons. How many has Wright kicked?

So as I said - Wright is poor mans Kreuzer. If Kreuzer cant make it as a fwd in the AFL I remain EXTREMELY skeptical Wright will.

I think we need to get realistic and not fantasise about these young players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Kreuzer

Kreuzer established himself as both the team's No. 1 ruckman and as a key forward during that time, scoring 51 goals in his 33 games with the Knights. In 2007, he won the Morrish Medal and the Knights' best and fairest, and he was selected in the Victorian Metropolitan and All-Australian under-18s teams, and in the TAC Cup Teams of the Year in both 2006 and 2007.

Kreuzer is Kreuzer and Wright is Wright. You can't say that they will develop the same its ridiculous. Are you claiming that every ruck/fwd is doomed?
I don't fantasize about it , some people come on here and post "imagine a team with "blahblah" and "thingo" and "whatzit" and they are all just names with no AFL credentials.
But it seems like a lot of experts rate Wright and I think he is the kind of player we need.
I agree its a risk, it seems that drafting talls IS a riskier prospect than drafting mids. Sometimes they take ages, and sometimes they take forever ( ie they dont get there ).