List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[God Save Max King]

McCartin would need to grow a bit to be a number 1. Is McCartin the best in AUSTRALIA or just the TAC Cup?
We tend to get carried away with Victorians... Lets raise our eyes a bit and check what is out there in the rest of the country before we rush straight into the TAC cup.

He's neither, some don't rate him as the best in his side, but in fairness he plays for the Falcons. In the unlikely circumstance that we finish with a pick that is No. 3 or worse, he would probably be the best available. I don't rate Smith.

 

[goodie23]

I stand by my idea that the Saints could do worse than to recruit at least one Falcon a year. Their program's fantastic and the results speak for themselves

 

[gringo2011]

It will take a significant amount of convincing to get a gun player to join Saints just now.

Yes I believe in the rebuild. But I'm a fan. A non-fan looking to get cash and a career will need to see something tangible that justifies them signing. This year is shaping up to be a stinker, so in reality I think it's another year before we're an option that a gun would even consider.

You would be surprised how many want to set themselves up financially. The teams at the bottom can offer huge money, that's the free market ideal of free agency.

I stand by my idea that the Saints could do worse than to recruit at least one Falcon a year. Their program's fantastic and the results speak for themselves

Goddard and Christiansen look good. Jack Steven has a baby brother there too. Did you see this article?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ry-keeps-it-in-the-family-20140304-345d1.html

 

[ike2112]

You would be surprised how many want to set themselves up financially. The teams at the bottom can offer huge money, that's the free market ideal of free agency.

The second part being that the clubs with cash can spend it only when they have cap room. Inverse being, no point having cap room if your club is skint...

 

[God Save Max King]

I stand by my idea that the Saints could do worse than to recruit at least one Falcon a year. Their program's fantastic and the results speak for themselves

I do agree with you on the quality of the Falcons program, but the other TAC Cup clubs and some SANFL teams are starting to become very, very good developers of talent. Calder Cannons are a terrific club, Oakleigh are starting to shine (although I do have suspicions that is more on the quality of their zone) and teams like Norwood have done well. Think in the long run it is unsustainable to have 5-10 Falcons on an AFL list.

I don't feel compelled to read the article if you can't even write his surname correctly, come on, at least try!

Probably should Brain, but interestingly he has it spelt "Mccartin" on all his social media profiles. Have always thought it was McCartin myself.

 

[God Save Max King]

Just quietly, if you could draft any Calder/Geelong players from only 2009-2012, this is the 22 you would get. Pretty damn solid.
B: Cameron Guthrie, Cameron Delaney, Michael Talia
HB: Lachlan Plowman, Daniel Talia, Jasper Piitard
C: Brandon Ellis, Ben Cunnington, Taylor Adams
HF: Gary Rohan, Jake Carlisle, Allen Christensen
FF: Devon Smith, Joe Daniher, Luke Dahlhaus
R: Liam McBean, Tom Liberatore, Dion Prestia
INT: Johnathan O'Rourke, Jake Melsham, Mitch Wallis, Billie Smedts
EM: Daniel Markworth, Tom Sheridan, Josh Walker

 

[stkildathunda]

Angus Brayshaw anybody? http://www.truezebras.com/angus-brayshaw-bull-in-a-dragons-uniform/

 

[goodie23]

We'd have to do our homework, make sure he wouldn't want a trade to Norf in two years

 

[Defacto]

Angus Brayshaw anybody? http://www.truezebras.com/angus-brayshaw-bull-in-a-dragons-uniform/

Will be very interesting to see how he goes

 

[Saint_Dos]

Not sure if this is the thread but am getting a little concerned with all the signings from other clubs whilst we appear to b just sitting and waiting for 2nd half of season agsin. We need to get some of these deals done early for once. Especially the likes of dempster and geary where u know what u will get. Plus saunders and wright who are showing heaps. Happy to wait with the likes if TDL, Fisher, Dunnell to see how year goes. But lets get some deals done before they start wanting more or get offers.

 

[goodie23]

A major reason for holding off would be the CEO hunt, when Finnis is settled we might start locking down players

 

[gringo2011]

Angus Brayshaw anybody? http://www.truezebras.com/angus-brayshaw-bull-in-a-dragons-uniform/

He sounds like a Lenny hayes type, awesome tackling stat.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

The AFL has lopped a week off this year’s trade period, as part of a move to create a snappier post-season.

In other changes, the restricted and unrestricted free agency period will be reduced by four days this year, to 11, while the pre-season and rookie drafts will be held just four days after the national draft.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...d-by-a-week-20140310-34gx1.html#ixzz2vWfBtBXA


Good move.

 

[goodie23]

Not sure about moving up the pre-season and rookie draft. Sure it gets them out of the way and gives players more time at their new clubs, but it also means clubs don't have time to put prospects through their paces.

A fortnight after would be ideal, gives the clubs time to look at who wasn't taken in the draft and invite some candidates down to train before picking them up (or not).

 

[Dopey BJ]

Not sure about moving up the pre-season and rookie draft. Sure it gets them out of the way and gives players more time at their new clubs, but it also means clubs don't have time to put prospects through their paces.

A fortnight after would be ideal, gives the clubs time to look at who wasn't taken in the draft and invite some candidates down to train before picking them up (or not).

All the work should be done by then, there is quite a large data base on all prospects available to recruiters.
Tac cup coaches do a talent identification course which gives them a log in to an AFL data base, they have to assess 5 players from every game they see so by end of perhaps 4 seasons in u/16 & u/18 Tac cup lots of data is available.

 

[L_W_P]

Nothing can top seeing a player going through a session in person though.

You might have 2 very close prospects but one gets along great with the other kids you've already drafted while the other has a personality clash.

One might have a clean ball drop that looks great at U18 level but it puts the timing of your forwards off because its 'unconventional' (Think Michael Johnson at Freo)

I rekon a month or 6 weeks between ND and PSD/RD is fine because when you get to that point you have to split hairs.

With the Trade and FA windows - Does the FA window close before trading so that everyone knows who has what in relation to compo picks?

**** I hated waiting 2 weeks for that to finish so we could go get Hickey and Longer...

 

[SaintsSeptember]

All the work should be done by then, there is quite a large data base on all prospects available to recruiters.
Tac cup coaches do a talent identification course which gives them a log in to an AFL data base, they have to assess 5 players from every game they see so by end of perhaps 4 seasons in u/16 & u/18 Tac cup lots of data is available.

A lot of rookies seem to get picked after they get the opportunity to train with a club. ( and some are not picked after an opportunity to train with a club ).
There isn't a huge time frame for this already.

 

[Rors]

Just on this but are we the first team to have ex GWS and Gold Coast players on our list.

It feel very odd for some reason.

May seem odd now, but in years to come, it will be seen as 'visionary'...

 

[goodie23]

All the work should be done by then, there is quite a large data base on all prospects available to recruiters.
Tac cup coaches do a talent identification course which gives them a log in to an AFL data base, they have to assess 5 players from every game they see so by end of perhaps 4 seasons in u/16 & u/18 Tac cup lots of data is available.

Then why wait at all? Why not do it all in one night?

It's a great experience for those youngsters who aren't taken in the draft as well as the mature age state candidates to get a run at an AFL club, even if it is for only a week or a few weeks. Also gives clubs a chance to put them through their paces and see if there's anything they might have missed.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Early draft watchers, do you consider this years top end batch of key forwards (Wright, Goddard, Mccartin) as talented as the previous two years (Boyd, Hogan, Daniher)?

 

[Dopey BJ]

Then why wait at all? Why not do it all in one night?

It's a great experience for those youngsters who aren't taken in the draft as well as the mature age state candidates to get a run at an AFL club, even if it is for only a week or a few weeks. Also gives clubs a chance to put them through their paces and see if there's anything they might have missed.

Agree with all that, just saying those last few spots are splitting hairs and would not take long to sought out.
I think the work done prior to the last years draft is why Jolly missed out when Trout had already rated Eli highly (top 40 in ND).

 

[God Save Max King]

Early draft watchers, do you consider this years top end batch of key forwards (Wright, Goddard, Mccartin) as talented as the previous two years (Boyd, Hogan, Daniher)?

Not quite, most definitely not yet. That being said, I didn't really rate Daniher as the KPF saviour like some Dons fans did. Boyd didn't stand out as the clear best-since-Riewoldt (to me) until his final year as well, so it is hard to judge these guys. Goddard has had his name up there for a while, since U16 really (like Jake Lever). His name remains up there, but in the second half of last season I felt his stock declined slightly. Wright is one who I think could break out this year, he's finally healthy and has some games under his belt from last season. Paddy is one to watch, after all he said he worked on his goal-kicking, so he could blossom nicely this season.

 

[Dopey BJ]

Not quite, most definitely not yet. That being said, I didn't really rate Daniher as the KPF saviour like some Dons fans did. Boyd didn't stand out as the clear best-since-Riewoldt (to me) until his final year as well, so it is hard to judge these guys. Goddard has had his name up there for a while, since U16 really (like Jake Lever). His name remains up there, but in the second half of last season I felt his stock declined slightly. Wright is one who I think could break out this year, he's finally healthy and has some games under his belt from last season. Paddy is one to watch, after all he said he worked on his goal-kicking, so he could blossom nicely this season.

When I watched Daniher I thought he would need another 3 years to be effective in any way at all at AFL level, these young tall fellas can bloom in 6 months so the Nationals will show how good this years batch are.

 

[L_W_P]

He's neither, some don't rate him as the best in his side, but in fairness he plays for the Falcons. In the unlikely circumstance that we finish with a pick that is No. 3 or worse, he would probably be the best available. I don't rate Smith.

Is this Clem Smith? Mind if I ask why?

 

[God Save Max King]

Is this Clem Smith? Mind if I ask why?

Yeah Clem Smith, it's not that I don't think he's a great player, I just don't think he's up there with Wright/Mccartin/Durdin. His draft stock is right up there, but I don't think he's the best or second best player in the draft.