List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[Defacto]

IMO, can only have 1 of Dempster & Gwilt in 2015.

My ideal back 6 is:
JWebb, Delaney, Gwilt
Shenton, Jaksch, Savage

Doesn't bode well for Simpkin, Fish, Gears.
Roberton and Dempster become depth.
Acres, Wright, Gilbert, Newnes, better learn to play thru the middle

i agree on the one of gwilt, dempster in 2015. purely for development and trade value of gwilt. we have to cut fisher too, no question.

no bruce :-(

 

[bird_man]

Yeah if we are going to cut someone from the back line it would be Gwilt, only because I wouldn't trade one of the younger guys and Gwilt is probably the one that clubs may show interest in. We would have to see what we can get for FA for him though, bit of a gamble.

 

[Defacto]

what could we get for curren? are there any teams out there needing a tagger?

 

[tom1197]

what could we get for curren? are there any teams out there needing a tagger?[/QUOTE
isn't worth anything

 

[TheLastEmperor]

what could we get for curren? are there any teams out there needing a tagger?

Wouldn't be in the best 30 players on most lists. Was very overrated on our board and I'm certain that value doesn't translate to opposition list managers.

 

[hayes]

Wouldn't be in the best 30 players on most lists. Was very overrated on our board and I'm certain that value doesn't translate to opposition list managers.

Have you heard of Tommy Walsh?

 

[Defacto]

Have you heard of Tommy Walsh?

looking back just so bizarre. they seemed desperate for fwd talls, pay overs for tommy and then just go shopping and get tippett/buddy. stunning. i guess atleast they got there in the end

 

[saint sational]

I think people need to be mindful of the fact that we are likely to finish bottom again next year and likely bottom 3-5 in 2016. this will give us good draft picks, in hopefully strong drafts, meaning we would need to make room on our list to take full advantage of this. some people have suggested we delist/trade/or they retire all of: Hayes, fisher, jones, maister, dunnel, Schneider, TDL, gilbert, gwilt, curren, simpkin. unless we go bananas and pull off several quality trades, I don't think the turnover this year needs to be that dramatic. Also will need some of the above players for the next two years as on-field leaders.

I think the process needs to be, and will be, very strategic to best take advantage of the next 3 drafts and not have to trade off a player we like in order to trade/draft another player in.

I see it as:

2014
Hayes or Jones with the decision up to Hayes - I think we will need a bigger body around next year
TDL - well and truly on the outer and just surplus to the small forwards we do have
Maister - going into this year I was expecting us to hold him for a few years, but looks at though we will give the 2nd all opportunities to Lee, Stanley and our drafted/traded key forward this year
Dunnel - just doesn't quite cut it at AFL level, doesn't really offer any expertise in one particular area
Fisher - body is had it and Bruce has shown enough not to need to keep him
Gilbert - hopefully gets us something in a trade. we have surplus half backs to cover him and give opportunity too... Shenton, Wright, Webster etc

I would also look at rookie listing atleast one of White, Peirce or Markworth as they develop, which would allow us to upgrade Weller.

That would mean we have 5 picks in the national draft, one of which we can use our 5th pick to upgrade Shenton. With our 4th pick we can assess whether minchington is more value then who is around.

Then over the next two years the following retire:
Riewolt (2015), Jones (2015), Schneider (2015), Montagna (2016), Dempster (2016)

Then a judgement call each year is made on the likes of:
Milera, Siposs, White, Markworth, Simpkin, Pierce, Gwilt etc

 

[Defacto]

I would also look at rookie listing atleast one of White, Peirce or Markworth as they develop, which would allow us to upgrade Weller.

i like that idea a lot!!!!! great point mate!!!

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Big Spence has two goals in the VFL currently.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Luke Thompson KPD type playing for Adelaide today if anyone is interested just been a late in.

 

[hayes]

Defacto you're better than that. Since when do possession count mean whether a player is good or not?

Pretty important for a midfielder I would've thought? If you can't get the ball you can't do anything with it.

 

[Shaneprice97]

Hey guys, can Dylan Roberton play as a 3rd tall defender? i like the look of him though he may want to stay at the saints now that he has settled. Where does he stand with you guys?

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Hey guys, can Dylan Roberton play as a 3rd tall defender? i like the look of him though he may want to stay at the saints now that he has settled. Where does he stand with you guys?

Stands in our team when he can get his ankle right.

 

[From 45]

Pretty important for a midfielder I would've thought? If you can't get the ball you can't do anything with it.

Not at all. Not in today's game. Mid numbers are overrated. You don't look at numbers and say he had a great game because he got it X amount of times. What you look at is where he got those possessions and what type of impact those possessions had. If a mid got it 20 times , they may consist of 10 score involvements and/or 3-4 goal assists or he had 6 centre clearances and so on That would show that player had more of an impact than someone who had 40 touches where most of them were cheap possessions in the back line where there's no impact. It doesn't paint the whole picture. I bet my left nut that's how coaches would view it.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Not at all. Not in today's game. Mid numbers are overrated. You don't look at numbers and say he had a great game because he got it X amount of times. What you look at is where he got those possessions and what type of impact those possessions had. If a mid got it 20 times , they may consist of 10 score involvements and/or 3-4 goal assists or he had 6 centre clearances and so on That would show that player had more of an impact than someone who had 40 touches where most of them were cheap possessions in the back line where there's no impact. It doesn't paint the whole picture. I bet my left nut that's how coaches would view it.

It doesn't paint the whole picture , but its also generally safe to say that a player who only got it 15 times didn't have a great game.
Typically Brownlow winners have had a lot of possessions AND used it well. ( Not sure about Swan ).

 

[Mowman]

It doesn't paint the whole picture , but its also generally safe to say that a player who only got it 15 times didn't have a great game.
Typically Brownlow winners have had a lot of possessions AND used it well. ( Not sure about Swan ).

No it doesn't paint the whole picture, but if you have a look at joeys game yesterday 27 times nearly everyone of them cheap little ones out the back

 

[From 45]

It doesn't paint the whole picture , but its also generally safe to say that a player who only got it 15 times didn't have a great game.
Typically Brownlow winners have had a lot of possessions AND used it well. ( Not sure about Swan ).

Swan is a perfect example of a mid accumulating cheap possessions and to be perfectly honest winning a brownlow doesn't always mean that player is the bees knees( that's a different discussion all together). If a mid got 15 touches, he may have also applied 10 effective tackles and as I said before it may also consist of score involvements/goal assists or he may have done a role which nullified his opponent.. Wouldn't that constitute a good game? It's all about quality not quantity. For example I don't like mids who run deep into a back pocket to get an easy touch especially when a mid shouldn't be there in the first place, only for them to switch the ball sideways and then the player kicks it back to him because the switch wasn't on and his team mates only option is to kick it back to the mid, when he could've moved the ball forward in the first place instead of switching by pin pointing his team mate with 30m pass in the corridor , so essentially that player has killed the momementum because he went to get a cheap possession and doesn't have the skill to execute the kick. That to me points out that players lack of understanding and or he's just selfish by building his stats up

 

[saintsrfreak]

"GO FORWARD"

"JUST KICK THE BLOODY THING"

 

[From 45]

"GO FORWARD"

"JUST KICK THE BLOODY THING"

Only to yell out "WHY DID YOU KICK IT TO THE OPPOSITION?!"

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Swan is a perfect example of a mid accumulating cheap possessions and to be perfectly honest winning a brownlow doesn't always mean that player is the bees knees( that's a different discussion all together). If a mid got 15 touches, he may have also applied 10 effective tackles and as I said before it may also consist of score involvements/goal assists or he may have done a role which nullified his opponent.. Wouldn't that constitute a good game? It's all about quality not quantity. For example I don't like mids who run deep into a back pocket to get an easy touch especially when a mid shouldn't be there in the first place, only for them to switch the ball sideways and then the player kicks it back to him because the switch wasn't on and his team mates only option is to kick it back to the mid, when he could've moved the ball forward in the first place instead of switching by pin pointing his team mate with 30m pass in the corridor , so essentially that player has killed the momementum because he went to get a cheap possession and doesn't have the skill to execute the kick. That to me points out that players lack of understanding and or he's just selfish by building his stats up

Yeah I agree a good tagger doesn't always get a lot of the ball.
But apart from taggers not many midfielders would walk away from a 15 disposal game and say they had a great game.
( 10 tackles or not ).

 

[From 45]

Yeah I agree a good tagger doesn't always get a lot of the ball.
But apart from taggers not many midfielders would walk away from a 15 disposal game and say they had a great game.
( 10 tackles or not ).

What if the midfielder had 60% TOG and out of that 60% he played in other positions?? There are so many factors we need to consider before we can say that player had good/bad game based on possession count. That's all I'm saying

 

[Defacto]

What if the midfielder had 60% TOG and out of that 60% he played in other positions?? There are so many factors we need to consider before we can say that player had good/bad game based on possession count. That's all I'm saying

Sure but let's remember this is the NEAFL. Easy to get 30+ possessions and kick bags. Remember how many hyphen was kicking there? All I'm saying is I think people see the pick he was taken at and assume he'll be a gun rather than looking at the output which isn't amazing right now. That's all.

Would be interesting to hear how GWS supporters view him

 

[karaoke]

Sure but let's remember this is the NEAFL. Easy to get 30+ possessions and kick bags. Remember how many hyphen was kicking there? All I'm saying is I think people see the pick he was taken at and assume he'll be a gun rather than looking at the output which isn't amazing right now. That's all.

Would be interesting to hear how GWS supporters view him

Mortibacio ?

 

[TheLastEmperor]

I've tried discussing player trade value with GWS fans and it has never ended well. They seem to want a similar return on JOR as they got for Tyson but not sure he was ever rated as highly as Tyson and he is not contracted which takes away GWS's bargaining power. I suspect JOR would get GWS a return around pick 15-20.