List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[hayes]

Are key forwards what they used to be in the modern congested game?

Would you rather Ablett or Hawkins?

Fyfe or Tippett?

Dangerfield or Roughhead?

You can win flags without monster forwards dominating, but you can't without an epic deep midfield.

I could be way off but I can't see Boyd & Patton dominating like Dunstall & Plugger did. Gun key forwards are obviously still going to help win games, but I just wonder whether I'd rather spend the big picks on gun mids. I'd rather 10 dangerous avenues to goals like port than a champion forward that gets swamped on every entry.

They obviously help but an elite midfield is far more important. Nathan Ablett and Quinten Lynch being premiership players proves that more than anything.

 

[sixtosaint]

A caller on SEN mentioned it. So take that with the 10th of a grain of salt

Oh if a caller mentioned it then it must be true.

 

[12Chill]

Are key forwards what they used to be in the modern congested game?

Would you rather Ablett or Hawkins?

Fyfe or Tippett?

Dangerfield or Roughhead?

You can win flags without monster forwards dominating, but you can't without an epic deep midfield.

I could be way off but I can't see Boyd & Patton dominating like Dunstall & Plugger did. Gun key forwards are obviously still going to help win games, but I just wonder whether I'd rather spend the big picks on gun mids. I'd rather 10 dangerous avenues to goals like port than a champion forward that gets swamped on every entry.

Good comment.

 

[Max9Crow]

To be honest, I think Melbourne's problem lies more in their player development rather than their recruiting. No doubt their recruiting has been substandard, but I think their player development has been pretty terrible.

Spot on, my thoughts exactly. Watts, Scully, Trengove, Toumpas (2nd year player - give some time). They were rated by most teams/experts as top of theire respective classes. How did they all underachieve?

 

[Max9Crow]

From Tony74 on Saintsational:

Wow that's some plan that has been concocted.

 

[Blended]

I'm on team Keep Jack, Draft Tracca and Trust in Spencer...

 

[Periphery]

With the Age reporting that the Dogs offered Boyd more than $1m/pa on at least 6 years I think I'd be happy if we pass on that. That is more money than I'd be comfortable with and I don't see how it couldn't hurt our FA ambitions in 2016. I'd prefer to take the chance with McKenzie or just back our development of Lee, White and Stanley than put that much money plus whatever picks and players it would take to get the deal done.

I'm kinda hoping that our interest is just a ploy to weaken two teams we will be competing with in a few years. If the Dogs pay too much for Boyd it can put serious pressure on their list later on and GWS will be significantly weakened by losing Boyd. In the meantime we can just keep making deals on our terms for the right price and not do anything that could seriously risk derailing the whole rebuild.

 

[Wright 1]

its exactly what we wanted to happen

Yeah I know, but without pick 19 I was hoping. 19 could be in our dealings with GWS potentially

 

[HayesTheChamp]

With the Age reporting that the Dogs offered Boyd more than $1m/pa on at least 6 years I think I'd be happy if we pass on that. That is more money than I'd be comfortable with and I don't see how it couldn't hurt our FA ambitions in 2016. I'd prefer to take the chance with McKenzie or just back our development of Lee, White and Stanley than put that much money plus whatever picks and players it would take to get the deal done.

I'm kinda hoping that our interest is just a ploy to weaken two teams we will be competing with in a few years. If the Dogs pay to much for Boyd and it can put serious pressure on their list later on and GWS will be significantly weakened by losing Boyd. In the meantime we can just keep making deals on our terms for the right price and not do anything that could seriously risk derailing the whole rebuild.

Yep, 100% agree. I don't mind us knocking on the door, to keep pushing that wage up and up and up. Then we get to shake one of their young guns loose in a few years, gimme Stringer/Bontempelli in a couple years.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Spot on, my thoughts exactly. Watts, Scully, Trengove, Toumpas (2nd year player - give some time). They were rated by most teams/experts as top of theire respective classes. How did they all underachieve?

It's a question worth asking. You wonder how a player such as Ollie Wines, or Luke Dunstan would have tracked at Melbourne.

 

[SaintLex]

I think the Hunt rumour might have some substance... We have to fill our rookie list somehow.

Sidenote: How about we let the Dogs run themselves into the ground by throwing a multi-million dollar contract at a 19 y.o, then in a few years time, when their salary cap is tight, we grab a Macrae or a Bontempelli and run off like bandits

 

[Wright 1]

I feel like I should no you guys, as much as it pains me to say it, I went there too

Not sure if I should tell you guys that I went to the school across the road with Leigh Fisher

 

[blktreacle]

Not sure if I should tell you guys that I went to the school across the road with Leigh Fisher

Haha I played footy at old mentonians in u19s

 

[Keg on legs]

Me too *sigh*

I feel your pain brother!

 

[VDS66]

Crap thing about st.bedes is they never claimed him as a beda boy, I was at st.bedes when he moved across and was on the saints list in his year 12 year and they never made a big deal out of it.

Went to their Open Day last month for my boy's enrollment and his pic is up in their sports hall of fame. Surprisingly, Joe Blake isn't.

 

[dewah07]

I think the Hunt rumour might have some substance... We have to fill our rookie list somehow.

Sidenote: How about we let the Dogs run themselves into the ground by throwing a multi-million dollar contract at a 19 y.o, then in a few years time, when their salary cap is tight, we grab a Macrae or a Bontempelli and run off like bandits

Then we would be stuck paying bonts or macrae 1mill a year.

Would rather just pay Boyd tbh

 

[dewah07]

Went to their Open Day last month for my boy's enrollment and his pic is up in their sports hall of fame. Surprisingly, Joe Blake isn't.

Thankgod they got their s/// together.

 

[VDS66]

Thankgod they got their s/// together.

Funny coz my wofe's cousin is up there as well. Kids thought it was weird.

 

[Keg on legs]

So, it seems like all the dominoes will fall into place once someone blinks. So my question is- who should I be blaming for all this time wasting?
Collingwood for being pig headed and wanting too much?
Brisbane for not offering enough?
Bulldogs for thinking Griffen = Boyd?
Gws for not realising griffen=Boyd?
Or Essendon for, well, just because!

 

[Baker_for_PM]

I'm going to put my considerable reputation that i garnered on here on the line and declare that Petracca will be a better player then Boyd once all is said and done.
I hope that any deals we do don't consist of pick 1. Just give me the raging bull already.

 

[Joffaboy]

So, it seems like all the dominoes will fall into place once someone blinks. So my question is- who should I be blaming for all this time wasting?
Collingwood for being pig headed and wanting too much?
Brisbane for not offering enough?
Bulldogs for thinking Griffen = Boyd?
Gws for not realising griffen=Boyd?
Or Essendon for, well, just because!

Uncle Barrels and Manimal_Knives.

blame them

 

[Mat Mann]

at a minimum boyd would put pressure on stanley

Id think its the other way Boyd takes pressure off Stanley.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

With the Age reporting that the Dogs offered Boyd more than $1m/pa on at least 6 years I think I'd be happy if we pass on that. That is more money than I'd be comfortable with and I don't see how it couldn't hurt our FA ambitions in 2016. I'd prefer to take the chance with McKenzie or just back our development of Lee, White and Stanley than put that much money plus whatever picks and players it would take to get the deal done.

I'm kinda hoping that our interest is just a ploy to weaken two teams we will be competing with in a few years. If the Dogs pay too much for Boyd it can put serious pressure on their list later on and GWS will be significantly weakened by losing Boyd. In the meantime we can just keep making deals on our terms for the right price and not do anything that could seriously risk derailing the whole rebuild.

Thats crazy money. Better offf waiting 6 years then offering more.

 

[sixtosaint]

I'd rather build our own gun. I don't want boyd now. 1 million and pick 1 + steak knives is to much. Stick to the plan that was just in the paper today. Work on keeping players at the club as this is going to be the biggest challenge for every club in the near future as this trend sorts itself out.

 

[SK_MD_#7]

Uncle Barrels and Manimal_Knives.

blame them

It is all Barrels.