2015 Media Thread

[Righteo]

Hawthorn got to 8 points away from home. Freo got to 27 points at from home. That's the difference. All teams are capable of conceding a quarter of perfect football. Hawthorn are capable of striking back.

What's Freo's greatest combeback to win? 20 something points?

That J-Lo game in 05, 4 goal deficit at 3 qtr time I believe. I think every other team has clawed back a 5+ goal deficit in that time.

 

[go_the_dockers]

That J-Lo game in 05, 4 goal deficit at 3 qtr time I believe. I think every other team has clawed back a 5+ goal deficit in that time.

The game we drew against Sydney. I think we were 4 goals down, and we pulled it back in 15 minutes.

 

[Righteo]

The game we drew against Sydney. I think we were 4 goals down, and we pulled it back in 15 minutes.

We were down by a similar margin against Geelong last year too. Really should have won that.

 

[Quinz]

Don't worry guys, we'll beat Richmond and get revenge for #teamWA

 

[clogged]

That J-Lo game in 05, 4 goal deficit at 3 qtr time I believe. I think every other team has clawed back a 5+ goal deficit in that time.

There were a couple of 30-40 point come backs in the Drum era, but nothing like that since then.

One might argue that Lyon so rarely concedes deficits that large, but even so what's the largest turn around from behind he's executed? Even the comeback against Richmond was only 22 points (49 point deficit to eventual 27 point loss).

 

[pavsbootlace]

But Hawthorn aren't vulnerable to that. You go inside 50 with precision, so will they. Freo won most of the main stats against Richmond but still went down by around 5 goals. All Richmond had to do was control the ball for a quarter to win, and Freo couldn't make up the difference.

Watch the way Hawthorn line up around the 50 metre arc so there are always options out wide and in the corridor. If they have the ball in the pocket, they will channel it back in board. If they have it on the right side of the ground outside 50 they will switch it left quickly to Suckling, Smith or one of their other left footers and score from there.

Hawthorn have conceded 15 more goals than us this year. We are less vulnerable than anyone to precision ball movement. What we are vulnerable to is having our ball movement stifled and Pav being blanketed.

Richmond's first 20 minutes against us was phenomenal. The reason we couldn't catch up was because our offence is still not good enough and Richmonds defence was brilliant all over the ground. They just ran harder than us and no gameplan in the world can make up for that. Rance pulled Pav's pants down and Clarke had a stinker and we had no other way of scoring.

 

[youmewe]

That J-Lo game in 05, 4 goal deficit at 3 qtr time I believe. I think every other team has clawed back a 5+ goal deficit in that time.

Our biggest comeback wins, from the end of each quarter are:

1st quarter: 31 pts v Geelong, rd 7, 1999.

2nd quarter: 32 pts v West Coast, rd 21, 2000.

3rd quarter: 18 pts v West Coast, rd 21, 2000 and 18 pts v Brisbane, rd 14, 2003. (The J-Lo game was rd 21, 2005, v St Kilda. The 3/4 margin was 16 pts).


The biggest come from behind at 3/4 time wins for the rest of the league (this century) are:

Adelaide: 20 pts v Brisbane, rd 20, 2011.

Brisbane: 38 pts v Geelong, rd 13, 2013.

Carlton: 32 points v Brisbane, rd 21, 2008.

Collingwood: 25 pts v North, rd 1, 2007.

Essendon: 21 points v Sydney, rd 19, 2001.

Geelong: 25 pts v Freo, rd 6, 2008.

Gold Coast: 28 points v Port, rd 5, 2011.

GWS: 10 points v Hawthorn, rd 6, 2015.

Hawthorn: 23 pts v North, rd 20, 2003.

Melbourne: 32 pts v Freo, rd 7, 2008.

North: 40 pts v Sydney, rd 19, 2004.

Port: 21 pts v North, rd 8, 2012 and 21 pts v West Coast, rd 5, 2013.

Richmond: 25 pts v Brisbane, rd 17, 2008.

St Kilda: 17 pts v WB's, rd 6, 2010.

Sydney: 34 pts v Essendon, rd 1, 2015.

West Coast: 36 pts v Geelong, rd 10, 2006.

Western Bulldogs: 32 pts v North, rd 6, 2004.

 

[Righteo]

Cheers mate, nice to reinforce just how shoddy my memory is.

 

[youmewe]

There were a couple of 30-40 point come backs in the Drum era, but nothing like that since then.

One might argue that Lyon so rarely concedes deficits that large, but even so what's the largest turn around from behind he's executed? Even the comeback against Richmond was only 22 points (49 point deficit to eventual 27 point loss).

Under Lyon the largest turnarounds have been:

54 pts - rd 16, 2012 v Melbourne: Down by 20 pts at 2min mark 2nd qtr; won by 34 pts.
50 pts - rd 12, 2014 v Adelaide: Down by 10 pts at 23min mark 1st qtr; won by 40 pts.
49 pts - rd 1, 2013 v West Coast: Down by 21 pts at 15min mark 1st qtr; won by 28 pts.
47 pts - rd 19, 2013 v Carlton: Down by 11 pts at 14min mark 1st qtr; won by 36 pts.
44 pts - rd 15, 2013 v St Kilda: Down by 14 pts at 16min mark 2nd qtr; won by 30 pts.
37 pts - rd 18, 2013 v Adelaide: Down by 15 pts at 19 min mark 1st qtr; won by 22 pts.
35 pts - QF, 2013 v Geelong: Down by 20 pts at 4min mark 2nd qtr; won by 15 pts.
32 pts - rd 21, 2014 v Hawthorn: Down by 13 pts at 28min mark 2nd qtr; won by 19 pts.
27 pts - rd 2, 2012 v Sydney: Down by 40 pts at 1/2 time; lost by 13 pts.
27 pts - rd 8, 2013 v Sydney: Down by 27 pts at 11min mark 4th qtr; drew.
24 pts - rd 6, 2012 v Gold Coast: Down by 17 pts at 1/2 time; won by 7 pts.
24 pts - rd 11, 2012 v Richmond: Down by 12 pts at 11min mark 1st qtr; won by 12 pts.
24 pts - rd 9, 2015 v Adelaide: Down by 13 pts at 4min mark 3rd qtr; won by 11 pts.
23 pts - rd 5, 2012 v Carlton: Down by 31 pts at 12min mark 3rd qtr; lost by 8 pts.
22 pts - rd 20, 2014 v Geelong: Down by 24 pts at 3/4 time; lost by 2 pts.
22 pts - rd 10, 2015 v Richmond: Down by 49 pts at 4 min mark 3rd qtr; lost by 27 pts.

Apologies, a number of omissions from original post.

 

[clogged]

Hawthorn have conceded 15 more goals than us this year. We are less vulnerable than anyone to precision ball movement. What we are vulnerable to is having our ball movement stifled and Pav being blanketed.

I don't put much stake in how better Freo is than Hawthorn defensively. Hawthorn have come up against the two best defensive sides in their past two premierships and accounted for both relatively easily.

And I know people will cite that Freo only lost by 15 points, but everyone seemingly forgets that fourth quarter burst where they made the margin far too large to come back from. That's what they do, it's what Freo can't do.

 

[clogged]

Under Lyon the six largest turnarounds have been:

27 pts - rd 2, 2012 v Sydney: Down by 40 pts at 1/2 time; lost by 13 pts.
27 pts - rd 8, 2013 v Sydney: Down by 27 pts at 11min mark 4th qtr; drew.
24 pts - rd 6, 2012 v Gold Coast: Down by 17 pts at 1/2 time; won by 7 pts.
23 pts - rd 5, 2012 v Carlton: Down by 31 pts at 12min mark 3rd qtr; lost by 8 pts.
22 pts - rd 20, 2014 v Geelong: Down by 24 pts at 3/4 time; lost by 2 pts.
22 pts - rd 10, 2015 v Richmond: Down by 49 pts at 4 min mark 3rd qtr; lost by 27 pts.

So if a side gets four goals or more ahead of Freo at any stage, they have a pretty decent chance of winning. I do recall a few games where Freo was down by a couple of points late in the last and then piling on the goals to win by a large margin (North 2012 and Collingwood 2013). Few and far between though.

It would be interesting to see how many turnarounds have been executed on Freo vs how many Freo have achieved. What are the largest turnarounds by those who have played Freo? Port in the SF last year was 52 points, for instance. Sydney this year was 34 points, even Essendon reduced their deficit by 26 points.

 

[pavsbootlace]

I don't put much stake in how better Freo is than Hawthorn defensively. Hawthorn have come up against the two best defensive sides in their past two premierships and accounted for both relatively easily.

And I know people will cite that Freo only lost by 15 points, but everyone seemingly forgets that fourth quarter burst where they made the margin far too large to come back from. That's what they do, it's what Freo can't do.

I think you've missed my point. My point is 1. Our defense is better than Hawthorn's. 2. It doesn't matter how awesome our defence is, we still won't beat them unless we learn to attack.

 

[clogged]

I think you've missed my point. My point is 1. Our defense is better than Hawthorn's. 2. It doesn't matter how awesome our defence is, we still won't beat them unless we learn to attack.

I agree, although I don't think the defence is that good, it is quite capable of allowing massive turn arounds. Essendon turned around their 54 point deficit by 26 points in one quarter, despite playing insipid footy. Going by the stats youmewe posted that's about as good as the best turnaround achieved by Freo.

 

[Grandstan]

No question that there have been few significant comebacks under Lyon (or for some time.) But it's hard to come back when you're rarely a long way behind and our w/l under Lyon is not bad.
If we want to measure attacking potency, isn't it more relevant to measure scoring bursts, of which the current side does very well.

 

[clogged]

No question that there have been few significant comebacks under Lyon (or for some time.) But it's hard to come back when you're rarely a long way behind and our w/l under Lyon is not bad.
If we want to measure attacking potency, isn't it more relevant to measure scoring bursts, of which the current side does very well.

No, because the game context is different.

 

[Grandstan]

No, because the game context is different.

If anything, it would be harder to score bursts when even as when you're behind the other team may have thrown everything at you already or be easing off.

 

[youmewe]

...
It would be interesting to see how many turnarounds have been executed on Freo vs how many Freo have achieved. What are the largest turnarounds by those who have played Freo? Port in the SF last year was 52 points, for instance. Sydney this year was 34 points, even Essendon reduced their deficit by 26 points.

Under Lyon the largest turnarounds against Freo have been:

53 pts - SF, 2014 v Port: Up by 31 pts at 22min mark 2nd qtr; lost by 22 pts.
49 pts - rd 3, 2015 v West Coast: Up by 79 pts at 7min mark 3rd qtr; won by 30 pts (heavy ease off factor?).
41 pts - rd 13, 2012 v Essendon: Up by 17 pts at 27min mark 3rd qtr; lost by 24 pts.
41 pts - rd 3, 2013 v Essendon: Up by 37 pts at 20min mark 2nd qtr; lost by 4 pts.
39 pts - SF, 2012 v Adelaide: Up by 29 pts at 3min mark 2nd qtr; lost by 10 pts.

There were also a couple of other 30+ pt turnarounds but they featured some degree of ease off.

BTW in my earlier post I didn't include games where the trailing margin was less than 10 points. There are many instances where a team trails by a few points and goes on to win comfortably. For instance, rd 9, 2013, Melbourne kicked the first goal of the game, Freo won by 90 pts. Hardly a turnaround though.

 

[clogged]

Under Lyon the largest turnarounds against Freo have been:

53 pts - SF, 2014 v Port: Up by 31 pts at 22min mark 2nd qtr; lost by 22 pts.
49 pts - rd 3, 2015 v West Coast: Up by 79 pts at 7min mark 3rd qtr; won by 30 pts (heavy ease off factor?).
41 pts - rd 13, 2012 v Essendon: Up by 17 pts at 27min mark 3rd qtr; lost by 24 pts.
41 pts - rd 3, 2013 v Essendon: Up by 37 pts at 20min mark 2nd qtr; lost by 4 pts.

There were also a couple of other 30+ pt turnarounds but they featured some degree of ease off.

BTW in my earlier post I didn't include games where the trailing margin was less than 10 points. There are many instances where a team trails by a few points and goes on to win comfortably. For instance, rd 9, 2013, Melbourne kicked the first goal of the game, Freo won by 90 pts. Hardly a turnaround though.

Yeah I'd limit trailing by 10 points wins to those in the last quarter, maybe third quarter as well. If you're trailing at any point in the last and go on to win by a larger margin that's pretty impressive. The North and Collingwood games in 2012 and 2013 respectively were pretty impressive at how the side blew out the lead again when challenged.

I just don't think we see that enough from Freo. Last night Adelaide took the lead late in the third, then Hawthorn kicked 8 of the next seven goals in the space of about 20 minutes of play.

 

[Grandstan]

Yeah I'd limit trailing by 10 points wins to those in the last quarter, maybe third quarter as well. If you're trailing at any point in the last and go on to win by a larger margin that's pretty impressive. The North and Collingwood games in 2012 and 2013 respectively were pretty impressive at how the side blew out the lead again when challenged.

I just don't think we see that enough from Freo. Last night Adelaide took the lead late in the third, then Hawthorn kicked 8 of the next seven goals in the space of about 20 minutes of play.

True. As a fan, a tense arm wrestle where you finally split them open late, then proceed with a parade of goals is the most satisfying way to win I can think of, with that Collingwood game well up there.
Do you think Lyon's highly accountable approach stops players from letting loose late? Walters is one who rarely seems to score those junk time goals.

 

[estibador]

I just don't think we see that enough from Freo. Last night Adelaide took the lead late in the third, then Hawthorn kicked 8 of the next seven goals in the space of about 20 minutes of play.

****, they are good!

 

[youmewe]

My sincerest apologies to clogged. My initial post contained a number of omissions which have since been corrected.

His point is still well made. The greatest margin Freo has trailed by at any stage in any game under Lyon and come back to win is 21 points (rd 1, 2013 v West Coast). We trailed Sydney by 27 points in rd 8, 2013 and salvaged a draw.

 

[rodney hoo]

****, they are good!

It makes you nervous as Freo supporter watching that, IMO we can't go with them at that style of game. We have Fyfe a match winner & I think if few tweeks to our game plan johno back we can still beat them. Would be nice if someone else knocked them out though but as you said **** they are good.

 

[go_the_dockers]

****, they are good!

Roughead abd Gunstan didn't score all game either.

 

[PintofPale]

The greatest margin Freo has trailed by at any stage in any game under Lyon and come back to win is 21 points (rd 1, 2013 v West Coast). We trailed Sydney by 27 points in rd 8, 2013 and salvaged a draw.

In the Lyon era we often haven't trailed at all. We've just won.
The biggest deficit to win in our history was the demo derby, 42 points.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Saw this on the AFL website this morning, they have named a mid-season AA squad. They have no library photo of Aaron Sandilands or Lachie Neale. (and not one of Pendlebury either WTF?)

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-21/the-all-australian-midyear-team