2015 Non-Crows AFL Discussion - Pt. 1

[Sanders]

Vickery has played nearly 40 more games than Jenkins. I would bet the next 40 games from Jenkins will be better than the last 40.

Vickery has played 87 games more than matthew smith

#bringbackmatty
#upside

These arguments are so logically flawed it's not funny

 

[Pdub]

Vickery has played 87 games more than matthew smith

#bringbackmatty
#upside

These arguments are so logically flawed it's not funny

you do realise that literally every footballer ever, who didn't receive a career ending injury, has improved with experience?

 

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[Sanders]

you do realise that literally every footballer ever, who didn't receive a career ending injury, has improved with experience?

More or less than all of the other players?

JJ is 26 years old, he's got to be approaching who he is and what he's going to be.

 

[AFC979810]

Why would Vickery have more upside? He would have played more games and have more football experience than Jenkins.

Its a mental issue with Vickery. Just cannot get any consistency across games, or even across a full game of football. Just think if he can pull it together he will be special.

Vickery has played nearly 40 more games than Jenkins. I would bet the next 40 games from Jenkins will be better than the last 40.

I hope so. Still think Vickery has more left in him.

 

[AFC979810]

you do realise that literally every footballer ever, who didn't receive a career ending injury, has improved with experience?

Mark McGough the exception that proves the rule?

 

[Red mist]

Funny how so many people heap shit on Richmond. Finished top 8 last two years (5th and 8th). Have beaten us 4 out of the last 5 games.

Their list is in pretty decent shape actually and on the surface looks similar to ours. They have a solid midfield led by Maric wth Cotch, Martin, Lids, and Edwards. They have a premier forward in Riewoldt and a solid #2 KPF in Vickery. They have a young All Australian key defender in Rance. They have a fantastic rebounding defender in Ellis. Only Maric and Chaplin are over 28. They also have a bunch of top 15 draft picks that are yet to really establish themselves as quality players - Corey Ellis, Ben Lennon, Nick Vlaustin and even Reece Conca (still only 22). Anthony Miles will also be a gun.

In my opinion - Their list is very similar to ours.

Before you bash Vickery too heavily. Compare his stats to Josh Jenkins over the past 2 years on a per game basis. I would take Vickery over Jenkins in a heartbeat purely due to the fact he is a better ruckman and a much marking option inside 50.

There's other teams in the eight that will slide before Richmond. They are very similar. The question is can Dimma get the best out of them? They also suffer from similar consistency issues.

 

[Red mist]

Mark McGough the exception that proves the rule?

Shane Woewodin.

 

[AFC979810]

There's other teams in the eight that will slide before Richmond. They are very similar. The question is can Dimma get the best out of them? They also suffer from similar consistency issues.

Absolutely. They most certainly have list issues - especially firepower up forward.

 

[Jars458]

Graham Cornes to coach the SA State Team. Bewildering appointment. No young coaches who could do it?

 

[Red mist]

Absolutely. They most certainly have list issues - especially firepower up forward.

Their backline and midfield brigade gelled after they tweaked their gameplan. Their forward line wasn't as potent as others for sure. I also note a lot of games they played on that run into the finals were wet days or nights and consider them wet weather specialists.

 

[Red mist]

Graham Cornes to coach the SA State Team. Bewildering appointment. No young coaches who could do it?

A Prince Phillip appointment?

 

[Deaneus!]

Graham Cornes to coach the SA State Team. Bewildering appointment. No young coaches who could do it?

He'll either win and be a messiah, or lose and be a has-been.

Speaking of which, here's a photo of him at the first state squad training session:

 

[Mike Smyth]

If anyone is having problems accessing adelaidenow articles PM me and ill send you a work around.

 

[Mike Smyth]

He'll either win and be a messiah, or lose and be a has-been.

Speaking of which, here's a photo of him at the first state squad training session:

Post extensive wrinkle cream application.

 

[Paladin]

My wife has no footy experience and has played no games. Just imagine the upside!

But I didn't state who had more upside it's purely subjective which was my point. Pay attention please.

 

[GROTTO]

If anyone is having problems accessing adelaidenow articles PM me and ill send you a work around.

Same here and good on you for being proactive about helping others.

 

[Mattrox]

Its a mental issue with Vickery. Just cannot get any consistency across games, or even across a full game of football. Just think if he can pull it together he will be special.



I hope so. Still think Vickery has more left in him.

Vickery debuted in 2009 - 6 years playing since debut.......... Jenkins Debuted in 2012, he has been on a steep learning curve. I'd be putting my money on Jenkins to show more improvement entering his 4th season since debut.

I'd rather not players that have mental issues which stop them reaching their potential (- ie Smack -) if you spend pick 8 on a player you want them to be an out and out gun.

 

[AFC979810]

Vickery debuted in 2009 - 6 years playing since debut.......... Jenkins Debuted in 2012, he has been on a steep learning curve. I'd be putting my money on Jenkins to show more improvement entering his 4th season since debut..

Fair enough. As I stated above - their production over the past 2 years has been pretty similar. I would just prefer Vickery as I think he would compliment our side better. This is based on his much better ruckwork and the fact I think he is a better mark.

I'd rather not players that have mental issues which stop them reaching their potential (- ie Smack -)

The issue though is that even without getting the mental aspect of his game together - he is still producing on par with Jenkins. Thats my point. Imagine if he gets it together - he will become an huge asset to that side. Even if he doesn't he is still good enough to be best 22 and contribute.

He is something all together different to a player like Smack.

if you spend pick 8 on a player you want them to be an out and out gun.

And here we come to the crux of the real issue of Vickery. His draft position is completely irrelevant now that he has played 80+ games and been on an AFL list.

 

[Mike Smyth]

I'll Pm you when I get home tonight. The old way no longer works

 

[GROTTO]

And here we come to the crux of the real issue of Vickery. His draft position is completely irrelevant now that he has played 80+ games and been on an AFL list.

Wrong. Try telling that about Richard Tambling.

 

[GROTTO]

If anyone is having problems viewing Advertiser articles ie more than 2, they can PM and I can show them how.

 

[Mattrox]

If anyone is having problems viewing Advertiser articles ie more than 2, they can PM and I can show them how.

change the url to be www.news.com.au for the exact article you are trying to view.

 

[GROTTO]

change the url to be www.news.com.au for the exact article you are trying to view.

Well close. Just replace adelaidenow in the web address with news

 

[Mike Smyth]

change the url to be www.news.com.au for the exact article you are trying to view.

Tried that it doesn't work as it directs you to a subscription centre as soon as you click on it so you don't get a chance to change the url.