List Mgmt. 2016 - Blair Hartley Thread

[THE_GUN]

When can naish be drafted , is it next year or in 2017 season ?

Whats his size and weight , cant find shit on him

 

[mopsy]

Conca would have to have three shocking years in a row to get delisted

What on top of the 5 very average ones he has had so far. But wait your right, that is about the length of time we hang onto Borderline to average players 6 - 8 years is about the norm.
Especially if its a top 10 pick, we are going to hang on and hang on and then hang on a bit more just in case.Its just what we do it never changes.

 

[Gosha]

What on top of the 5 very average ones he has had so far. But wait your right, that is about the length of time we hang onto Borderline to average players 6 - 8 years is about the norm.
Especially if its a top 10 pick, we are going to hang on and hang on and then hang on a bit more just in case.Its just what we do it never changes.

Pretty much. I think he's shown a bit in patches though and the fact he's had injury problems would probably buy him some more time. Tell me, when do you think the right time to delist him would be?

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

What on top of the 5 very average ones he has had so far. But wait your right, that is about the length of time we hang onto Borderline to average players 6 - 8 years is about the norm.
Especially if its a top 10 pick, we are going to hang on and hang on and then hang on a bit more just in case.Its just what we do it never changes.

Glad you're not in charge. Otherwise we would have delisted Vickery, Edwards, Rance and McIntosh before they had fully developed as it took all four of them a number of years to string together consistent performances.

 

[mopsy]

Pretty much. I think he's shown a bit in patches though and the fact he's had injury problems would probably buy him some more time. Tell me, when do you think the right time to delist him would be?

Delist him!!! Why wait until it gets to that stage?. Imo he should have been offered up as trade bait this year. Get a return on your initial investment.
Do we do what Port did with Moore and WAIT go thru the motions, hoping for another year or two that it will all come good. Then just delisting him.

He may have been a top 10 pick but 5 years in and it is patently obvious the best outcome with him is we have a good solid contributor. That imo makes him tradeable. You do it before the other scenario happens where he continues to under perform and loses all trade value.Trade him him while clubs may pay some overs to get him.

After 5 years it is enough for me to make a call. I have never thought about trading Conca until this trade period. Giving him every opportunity to show he is something more than hes shown so far.I am happy to make a call on what he is capable of becoming. I am also happy to lose out if he becomes some thing better.Is not that the nature of the beast.
He has value so while the value is there my call is he wont improve too much if at all so trade while the stocks are high.
The footy club in reality has never made calls like this and IMO it has hurt us far more than it has helped us.

 

[RememberRoyce]

Agree with you on the Conca trade. Think we could have got a low 2 rounder for him which I'd take. Still maybe I'm over-rating him there..IF he stays injury free, hopefully we have to take a lot of flak from all the posters here that rate him. Having said that, he might play a big part in a solid improvement in our contested possession numbers next year, but I agree, if we could have got a trade done, I would have taken a pick.

 

[A Tiger 4 lyf]

Keep Conca. Gun

need to Try and get Devon Smith to The Club

 

[Sol23]

Keep Conca. Gun

need to Try and get Devon Smith to The Club

You are joking when u say conca is a gun???

 

[Severe]

You are joking when u say conca is a gun???

I think a lot of people want him to be a star, because a lot of people wanted Heppel in that draft. Conca picked before Heppel....people want to see reason.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

I think a lot of people want him to be a star, because a lot of people wanted Heppel in that draft. Conca picked before Heppel....people want to see reason.

Just curious, how long do you think Heppell would've stayed at Richmond had we selected him before asking for a trade to essendon, 1 or 2 years ?

 

[TigerImposter]

I think a lot of people want him to be a star, because a lot of people wanted Heppel in that draft. Conca picked before Heppel....people want to see reason.

No it's bc he was a top ten pick
A bit like Wallet playing Dicky Rambling for over 100 games.
People play the pick not the observed qualities of the player
We have some new members on oou list with similar credentials
Not too many clubs retain their players like the RFC and this can be a blight IMO to our list strengthening or building quickly.
Clubs catch us very quickly just look at the Dogs who they off loaded and made the 8 with a bunch of kids minus their best engine room player.
Look at all the kids we've failed to develop over the years or were they just poor picks from Casino ?

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

No it's bc he was a top ten pick
A bit like Wallet playing Dicky Rambling for over 100 games.
People play the pick not the observed qualities of the player
We have some new members on oou list with similar credentials
Not too many clubs retain their players like the RFC and this can be a blight IMO to our list strengthening or building quickly.
Clubs catch us very quickly just look at the Dogs who they off loaded and made the 8 with a bunch of kids minus their best engine room player.
Look at all the kids we've failed to develop over the years or were they just poor picks from Casino ?

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is the case.

 

[Severe]

Just curious, how long do you think Heppell would've stayed at Richmond had we selected him before asking for a trade to essendon, 1 or 2 years ?

No clue TBH. I know he grew up Essendon. Fyfe grew up Richmond, Franklin grew up Melbourne. Hindsight is wonderful in common and odd cases of team changes. But to answer your question, I think he would still be at Richmond.

 

[TigerImposter]

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is the case.

Well 7 years to get where we are whereas the dogs were up there fell and are up there again is a small snippet. Prove me wrong
Is more the question
Watch the Saints Cats and Pies are up our tails again and the ball hasn't been bounced. My speculations are hopefully wrong , but some members of our FD have proven to be incompetent for a long while now and they haven't shown to change with their methods. So I'm pretty confident with my beliefs
I do wish I'm wrong though
Meh

 

[Severe]

No it's bc he was a top ten pick
A bit like Wallet playing Dicky Rambling for over 100 games.
People play the pick not the observed qualities of the player
We have some new members on oou list with similar credentials
Not too many clubs retain their players like the RFC and this can be a blight IMO to our list strengthening or building quickly.
Clubs catch us very quickly just look at the Dogs who they off loaded and made the 8 with a bunch of kids minus their best engine room player.
Look at all the kids we've failed to develop over the years or were they just poor picks from Casino ?

Yeah I agree with that....but I was using an example. It's like Melbourne fans in taking Scully then Trengove....most Melbourne fans I know wanted Martin, who went pick 3. They wanted Scully and Martin as a nice mix in the midfield. When they didn't get him they hoped their picks would at least achieve something. If DH wasn't at Richmond I don't Conca would be, it was his first pick as coach.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

Well 7 years to get where we are whereasthe dogs were up there fell and are up there again is a small snippet. Prove me wrong
Is more the question
Watch the Saints Cats and Pies are up our tails again and the ball hasn't been bounced. My speculations are hopefully wrong , but some members of our FD have proven to be incompetent for a long while now and they haven't shown to change with their methods. So I'm pretty confident with my beliefs
I do wish I'm wrong though
Meh

They also weren't/aren't rebuilding from the point of death's doorstep like we were. Primarily, we've gotten ourselves "back into the pack" and are now in a position to build towards a flag (a few "best 22" players still getting games every week are more suited to depth than 22)

 

[TigerImposter]

Yeah I agree with that....but I was using an example. It's like Melbourne fans in taking Scully then Trengrove....most Melbourne fans I know wanted Martin, who went pick 3. They wanted Scully and Martin as a nice mix in the midfield. When they didn't get him they hoped their picks would at least achieve something. If DH wasn't at Richmond I don't Conca would be, it was his first pick as coach.

Did DH want him or Casino swung in the last hour as Heptide was training with us in the summer

 

[TigerImposter]

They also weren't/aren't rebuilding from the point of death's doorstep like we were. Primarily, we've gotten ourselves "back into the pack" and are now in a position to build towards a flag (a few "best 22" players still getting games every week are more suited to depth than 22)

I've discussed this death of despair delusional rebuild before
We had the Golden 7 who are still on our list plus Richo tuck Jacko
Foley brown cousins Polak etcetera

http://www.aflrules.com.au/afl-teams/richmond-tigers/2009-richmond-tigers-team/

We were poorly managed and coached
Don't believe the we were shit spin as our admin and FD were more to blame and one area still needs a major overhaul

Food for thought

http://www.themercury.com.au/richmo...p-window-is-open/story-fnj3twbb-1227582335018

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Well 7 years to get where we are whereas the dogs were up there fell and are up there again is a small snippet. Prove me wrong
Is more the question
Watch the Saints Cats and Pies are up our tails again and the ball hasn't been bounced. My speculations are hopefully wrong , but some members of our FD have proven to be incompetent for a long while now and they haven't shown to change with their methods. So I'm pretty confident with my beliefs
I do wish I'm wrong though
Meh

Using the bulldogs as an example more or less reinforces my point. First off if you look at the bulldogs list you would notice that with the exception of 5-6 players the rest of there top 15 all have a number of years of AFL football under their belt, guys like Boyd, Murphy, Wood, Picken, Morris, Roughead, Stevens, Crameri, Dahlhaus, Wallis and Johannisen. The above group of player consist of a couple of guys nearing retirement with the remainder with 5-6 years left, possibly more or less. Compare that to the Richmond side when Dimma arrived and with the exception of Deledio, Foley and Newman plus Jackson and Tuck who broke out under Dimma, the rest of the players were either duds who were lucky to have a year or two left on their contract at the time, draftees or players nearing a breakout season. We didn't have the luxury of 10 or so established players like the Bulldogs did. Now admittedly Beveridge has done well to aid in the development of a few of their older guys like Dimma did with Tuck and Jackson, those players being Wallis, Wood, Picken and Johanissen but regardless they were still in a far better position than us in 2010 (Dimma's first year as coach).

Furthermore it took the Bulldogs 10 years to delist Jarred Grant, so your point of them turning their list over regularly doesn't quite hold. Whilst by the same token you could argue that by not being quick to delist some of their players has worked out quite well for them. Both Wallis and Picken were average taggers before being given new roles (inside midfielders) and have since excelled at them, while Easton Wood turned into an All Australian gun defender but took forever to get that stage and was a surprise that he was still on the list come the conclusion of list lodgement at the end of last year. Richmond was quite similar with regard to Rance becoming the number defender in the comp, whereas at one point in time he was close to the worst, whilst Dimma also turned Tuck and Jackson into very handy inside mids, who were able to provide grunt and help Cotch while allowing Deledio and Martin to become more outside players.

Last thing regarding the bulldogs is they had an easy draw last season and will have bigger task ahead of themselves next season when they become one of the hunted.

Not at all worried about Saints, Cats or Collingwood.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Keep Conca. Gun

need to Try and get Devon Smith to The Club

I can see the connection:

 

[GoTigers2015]

Yeah I agree with that....but I was using an example. It's like Melbourne fans in taking Scully then Trengrove....most Melbourne fans I know wanted Martin, who went pick 3. They wanted Scully and Martin as a nice mix in the midfield. When they didn't get him they hoped their picks would at least achieve something. If DH wasn't at Richmond I don't Conca would be, it was his first pick as coach.

Port offered picks 8 (Butcher) and 9 (Moore) for pick 2 as they were as keen as mustard to recruit Jack Trengrove. It was not a poor a decision to recruit him, just bad luck. Choosing Jack Watts was a howler.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

So far he has failed to deliver and has been on the list since he was drafted in 2010.

Has to be traded in 2016 considering the only thing of note was his striking charge.

Needs a change of scenery at another club.

 

[TigerImposter]

Using the bulldogs as an example more or less reinforces my point. First off if you look at the bulldogs list you would notice that with the exception of 5-6 players the rest of there top 15 all have a number of years of AFL football under their belt, guys like Boyd, Murphy, Wood, Picken, Morris, Roughead, Stevens, Crameri, Dahlhaus, Wallis and Johannisen. The above group of player consist of a couple of guys nearing retirement with the remainder with 5-6 years left, possibly more or less. Compare that to the Richmond side when Dimma arrived and with the exception of Deledio, Foley and Newman plus Jackson and Tuck who broke out under Dimma, the rest of the players were either duds who were lucky to have a year or two left on their contract at the time, draftees or players nearing a breakout season. We didn't have the luxury of 10 or so established players like the Bulldogs did. Now admittedly Beveridge has done well to aid in the development of a few of their older guys like Dimma did with Tuck and Jackson, those players being Wallis, Wood, Picken and Johanissen but regardless they were still in a far better position than us in 2010 (Dimma's first year as coach).

Furthermore it took the Bulldogs 10 years to delist Jarred Grant, so your point of them turning their list over regularly doesn't quite hold. Whilst by the same token you could argue that by not being quick to delist some of their players has worked out quite well for them. Both Wallis and Picken were average taggers before being given new roles (inside midfielders) and have since excelled at them, while Easton Wood turned into an All Australian gun defender but took forever to get that stage and was a surprise that he was still on the list come the conclusion of list lodgement at the end of last year. Richmond was quite similar with regard to Rance becoming the number defender in the comp, whereas at one point in time he was close to the worst, whilst Dimma also turned Tuck and Jackson into very handy inside mids, who were able to provide grunt and help Cotch while allowing Deledio and Martin to become more outside players.

Last thing regarding the bulldogs is they had an easy draw last season and will have bigger task ahead of themselves next season when they become one of the hunted.

Not at all worried about Saints, Cats or Collingwood.

Keeping one player on doesn't stack up considering we have even admitted our greatest claim to mid table success is player retention. It's taking the next step that counts. This is we all the teams I listed are able to do. Even wallet picked up a delapitated list and improved it in two years, but as usual it couldn't go the distance and quickly tapered off
tuck broke out under Wallet. Martin was already a gun and Cotchin was already picking up Brownlow votes in the end of 08. Martin was a gift from Melbourne
Richo could of played still but did the team thing when he was could basically see the DH new direction
It will be interesting whether the dogs beat us for a third year running and how close the pies , saints and port get to us
See you're deluded about all the guys you mentioned at the dogs as they were not guys in the best 22
It's moving those players out that cannot take you further. A bit like a Joel Bowden or a Newman who played over 250 games at a one paced level
You move them down the list for better talent , but we refuse to do this and compromise our list and growth
It's these types of best 22 players which kill clubs
Our new lot are Chaplin Conca Houli hunt Grigg
They e finally realised Morris was a dud with Hampson
You can get away with a couple of these blokes , but the minute we rid ourselves of a bunch a new lot are added
We will be a competitive middle table side again, but really that's not what the game is about

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Keeping one player on doesn't stack up considering we have even admitted our greatest claim to mid table success is player retention. It's taking the next step that counts. This is we all the teams I listed are able to do. Even wallet picked up a delapitated list and improved it in two years, but as usual it couldn't go the distance and quickly tapered off

This type of recruitment did not help

 

[TigerImposter]

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is the case.

so mr DH has basically admitted Moore will walk into our midfield. over who i may ask?
CEllis DEVELOPMENT

Andrew Moore ready to continue family tradition at the Tigers, wants to cement spot in midfield

Sarah Olle
FOX SPORTS
November 09, 2015 3:38PM

RICHMOND’S latest recruit Andrew Moore says he’s confident his best football is ahead of him, as he prepares to start preseason training at Punt Road.

Speaking to FIVEaa in Adelaide on Monday, Moore said he was determined to cement his position as an inside midfielder at Richmond, alongside the likes of Cotchin, Martin and Miles.

“I’ve had quite an interrupted career thus far due to some injuries,” Moore said.

“I’ve been able to play some decent SANFL football, but I found it quite tough to translate it up to the AFL level.

“It’s going to be a focus for me to try and emulate that form in the AFL.”

After being recruited to Richmond as a delisted free agent, Moore said coach Damien Hardwick allayed some of his nerves with a phone call on Friday.

“He welcomed me to the club and said, ‘you’re here to play AFL football and play that inside role’,” Moore said.

“And that’s where I think I play my best football.”

Moore — who played 55 games with Port Adelaide — continues the family tradition at Richmond.

His older brother, Kelvin, played 87 games in the yellow and black from 2004-2012.

“I’ve obviously got a bit of a soft spot for Richmond because of my brother,” Moore said.

“I spent a bit of time in the rooms after the games (as a teenager).”

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...spot-in-midfield/story-e6frf3e3-1227601895384