2016 Draft discussion

[13Beast]

Really? Can play, same size as McGrath but more explosive. Fills a hole that we have with a small fwd. Dont know if it is a humongous boner, but a few of us are walking around with semis.

Speak for yourself! Raging tent pitcher right 'ere! In all seriousness, while McGrath is an exceptional player, I feel too that Ainsworth ticks more needs and perhaps may see a quicker return on investment for the Lions.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

What are you? 12 years old or something?

Old enough to get himself excited.

 

[spotthedog1]

If we pulled the same move in some previous drafts...

2001 - we trade Luke Ball for Chris Judd and Rick Ladson (massive win)

2006 - we trade Scott Gumbleton for Lachie Hanson and Mitch Brown (moderate win)

2008 - Naitanui for Stephen Hill and Ryan Schoenmakers (loss - Naitanui a franchise player)

2009 - we trade Jack Trengove for Dustin Martin and Jasper Pittard (solid win)

There is risk but I think it's one worth taking. Whoever you take at 2 could get a navicular injury and retire after 40 games. I'll take the insurance of a second player.

2007 - Cotchin & John McCarthy for Masten & Lobbe - moderate loss
2010 - Bennell & Steinberg for Sam Day and Ben Jacobs - probable loss, depending on Bennell
2011 - Coniglio and Jackson Merrett for Dom Tyson and Tom Sheridan - huge loss
2012 - J. O'Rourke and Kamdyn McIntosh for Lachie Plowman and Jackson Thurlow - Draft "science" is the real loser here.
2013 - Josh Kelly & Carpany for Billings & Darcy Lang - minor loss or too soon to tell.

Absolutely you can win the trade, and absolutely you can pick convenient drafts to back up your point of view. I'm still not a fan of the trade, just because I think we could've got more out of them given their obvious desire for the pick.

 

[BRAB]

2007 - Cotchin & John McCarthy for Masten & Lobbe - moderate loss
2010 - Bennell & Steinberg for Sam Day and Ben Jacobs - probable loss, depending on Bennell
2011 - Coniglio and Jackson Merrett for Dom Tyson and Tom Sheridan - huge loss
2012 - J. O'Rourke and Kamdyn McIntosh for Lachie Plowman and Jackson Thurlow - Draft "science" is the real loser here.
2013 - Josh Kelly & Carpany for Billings & Darcy Lang - minor loss or too soon to tell.

Absolutely you can win the trade, and absolutely you can pick convenient drafts to back up your point of view. I'm still not a fan of the trade, just because I think we could've got more out of them given their obvious desire for the pick.

Why are you talking about 4 players in each year?

 

[captainrich]

Why are you talking about 4 players in each year?

hes bringing pick 31 into the equation too

 

[captainrich]

If we pulled the same move in some previous drafts...

2001 - we trade Luke Ball for Chris Judd and Rick Ladson (massive win)

2006 - we trade Scott Gumbleton for Lachie Hanson and Mitch Brown (moderate win)

2008 - Naitanui for Stephen Hill and Ryan Schoenmakers (loss - Naitanui a franchise player)

2009 - we trade Jack Trengove for Dustin Martin and Jasper Pittard (solid win)

There is risk but I think it's one worth taking. Whoever you take at 2 could get a navicular injury and retire after 40 games. I'll take the insurance of a second player.

not the point but dusty and jasper of trengove is a massive win especially considering trengoves navicular foot injury

 

[BRAB]

hes bringing pick 31 into the equation too

If you do that why not do pick 50 odd as well

 

[spotthedog1]

Why are you talking about 4 players in each year?

hes bringing pick 31 into the equation too

Yeah - that's the one. In my mind, I saw it as a downgrade of 2 to 3, plus an upgrade of 31 to 16... Then loose ends. 31 barely makes a difference to any of them though - not often a big impact pick.

 

[spotthedog1]

If you do that why not do pick 50 odd as well

Wasn't doing it to make a point. Just the way I considered the trade. Didn't even look at the pick 50s.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

2007 - Cotchin & John McCarthy for Masten & Lobbe - moderate loss
2010 - Bennell & Steinberg for Sam Day and Ben Jacobs - probable loss, depending on Bennell
2011 - Coniglio and Jackson Merrett for Dom Tyson and Tom Sheridan - huge loss
2012 - J. O'Rourke and Kamdyn McIntosh for Lachie Plowman and Jackson Thurlow - Draft "science" is the real loser here.
2013 - Josh Kelly & Carpany for Billings & Darcy Lang - minor loss or too soon to tell.

Absolutely you can win the trade, and absolutely you can pick convenient drafts to back up your point of view. I'm still not a fan of the trade, just because I think we could've got more out of them given their obvious desire for the pick.

Think we're still going to end up with the same player thou. What also makes the situation a little more cloudy is Allison, with his decent combine result, we mightn't have had access to that pick 31.

I also think we can now leverage pick 3 better with the suns, McCluggage and McGrath seemed to have separated themselves somewhat from the next group that included Bowes. They'll be very wary of a potential bid, and might pay a little extra for Hanley now

 

[BRAB]

I'm really upset that missing out on pick 1 cost us Schache

 

[spotthedog1]

I'm really upset that missing out on pick 1 cost us Schache

Wasn't a point of who we'll get - I've no reason not to believe Scwabb saying we had the top 4 very close. But as I said about 5 posts ago...

I'm still not a fan of the trade, just because I think we could've got more out of them given their obvious desire for the pick.

 

[BRAB]

Wasn't a point of who we'll get - I've no reason not to believe Scwabb saying we had the top 4 very close. But as I said about 5 posts ago...

Well obviously you're wrong because we didn't?

 

[Hollow Knight]

2007 - Cotchin & John McCarthy for Masten & Lobbe - moderate loss
2010 - Bennell & Steinberg for Sam Day and Ben Jacobs - probable loss, depending on Bennell
2011 - Coniglio and Jackson Merrett for Dom Tyson and Tom Sheridan - huge loss
2012 - J. O'Rourke and Kamdyn McIntosh for Lachie Plowman and Jackson Thurlow - Draft "science" is the real loser here.
2013 - Josh Kelly & Carpany for Billings & Darcy Lang - minor loss or too soon to tell.

Absolutely you can win the trade, and absolutely you can pick convenient drafts to back up your point of view. I'm still not a fan of the trade, just because I think we could've got more out of them given their obvious desire for the pick.

We wouldn't be taking 31 to the draft this year so I didn't think it was relevant. Was looking for examples of what we are doing in real terms.

 

[spotthedog1]

We wouldn't be taking 31 to the draft this year so I didn't think it was relevant.

Fair. Wasn't trying to make a point about 31. I just though about the trade as 2 becomes 3, 31 becomes 16... You thought of it more as 2 becomes 3 and 16... I don't see a problem with that way of thinking - just not the way I did.

Well obviously you're wrong because we didn't?

That is horrible logic. The club got X, therefore X must be the best possible result. It might've been, and I'm claiming no inside knowledge here. We also could've had specific plans involving the picks, or GWS might've been threatening to make a deal with Essendon instead, which would explain our haste to accept. It's also possible that we aren't particularly good at negotiating... That would explain some things from the last few years *cough* Basti *cough*

The trade was fairish, don't get me wrong. I score it slightly better for them, but close enough - within the margin of error. But by all accounts they were the desperate party, so I think we could've done better. We don't appear to have been in a rush - could've held out for a bit more.

And yes, I'm aware I'm assuming things. But that's kinda the point of a trade thread - hypothesising and evaluating, despite having no specific information.

 

[Biggies]

Just have a question on Ainsworth hopefully someone who watches a bit more under 18's then me can help me with (looking your way lionshine Quigley).

We know he scored really well at the combine, he speaks really well with the media and from the footage I've personally seen over the last year or two, I really rate him as a quality future footballer. But are there any concerns over his attitude/ego?

I ask this off the back of his 4 week suspension this year (where I remember the term 'king hit' got thrown around in the media) leaving a bloke with a broken jaw. Not the greatest look. My question is does he have the potential to be a bit of a hot head, and occasional brain fart kind of guy? Or was that incident more of a one off and we shouldn't read too much into it regarding attitude/personality?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Just have a question on Ainsworth hopefully someone who watches a bit more under 18's then me can help me with (looking your way lionshine Quigley).

We know he scored really well at the combine, he speaks really well with the media and from the footage I've personally seen over the last year or two, I really rate him as a quality future footballer. But are there any concerns over his attitude/ego?

I ask this off the back of his 4 week suspension this year (where I remember the term 'king hit' got thrown around in the media) leaving a bloke with a broken jaw. Not the greatest look. My question is does he have the potential to be a bit of a hot head, and occasional brain fart kind of guy? Or was that incident more of a one off and we shouldn't read too much into it regarding attitude/personality?

Plays with a chip on his shoulder. Nothing concerning. Just a bit of Mathoesque brashness. Fagan will channel it in the right direction.

 

[Biggies]

Plays with a chip on his shoulder. Nothing concerning. Just a bit of Mathoesque brashness. Fagan will channel it in the right direction.

More than happy to back Fagan in. To a certain degree that sort of attitude can act as a positive. Brings out the passion/competitiveness not only in the player himself but also the boys around them (e.g. Mitch Robbo)

 

[Len S]

On Ainsworth it is worth remembering that in the first half of the year coming into the champs he broke his wrist early with the AFL Academy, had a knee injury that put him out for a month and then was suspended for a month. He did not have the match fitness to play a lot of time through the midfield at the Champs. He got a heap of ball through the midfield in the back half of the year and ran a 14.3 beep to back up how improved his endurance is from this time last year. I was originally negative on him and only saw him as a forward but I am well and truly onboard now with him being a high class midfield prospect.

Would like to pick up on Quigleys well researched observations on Ainsworth. He should not be regarded as a forward. He is a very versatile midfielder, who was limited by injury in his time there.He is a powerful and penetrating kick,and any ball use issues will improve with experience. I believe we have god negotiating relationships with certain relevant clubs,and that the deal to drop a spot in the draft would have been mutually advantageous. At this stage , who pick 3 is I'm not 100%sure mind you.My young bloke had a bit of a chat with Andy McGrath at athletics on Wednesday and is a big rap for him on a personal basis.Would be a big plus to get that sort of leadership he offers in our situation.

 

[chopperduck]

Ainsworth and mcgrath are the 2 standouts leadership wise from what ive read.

 

[Unfinished]

As an on looker I think you guys have set yourself up superbly for the draft, and with another possible first rounder coming in for Hanley that'll leave you with

- 3, 16, 19, 21 I think it is and then the Hanley pick and that's not including Rockliff (whatever happens there)

How many academy selections are you looking to take this year?

A draft haul of SPS at 3, Battle at 16 (perfect third tall to Hipwood and Schache) and then a pair of Bolton and Florent or something would be an amazing coup for the Lions, you then have Allison and Watson as well i believe?

 

[cotter101]

Just have a question on Ainsworth hopefully someone who watches a bit more under 18's then me can help me with (looking your way lionshine Quigley).

We know he scored really well at the combine, he speaks really well with the media and from the footage I've personally seen over the last year or two, I really rate him as a quality future footballer. But are there any concerns over his attitude/ego?

I ask this off the back of his 4 week suspension this year (where I remember the term 'king hit' got thrown around in the media) leaving a bloke with a broken jaw. Not the greatest look. My question is does he have the potential to be a bit of a hot head, and occasional brain fart kind of guy? Or was that incident more of a one off and we shouldn't read too much into it regarding attitude/personality?

No attitude problems with Ainsworth. Interviewed extremely well with clubs.

 

[cotter101]

Ainsworth and mcgrath are the 2 standouts leadership wise from what ive read.

Berry is right up there if not ahead Ainsworth as a junior when it comes to leadership. How he returns from that injury is the concern with him though. He's leadership was great when many junior players with that injury would have struggled not being out there. It's a shame he didn't play much but off field, he went to another level.

McGrath the standout leader for mine out of the higher picks.

 

[acuguy]

I reckon Fagan and Noble might come to the conclusion that we have enough draft picks in the top 25 and now we are desperately in need of some leaders. You never know, Hanley might just get us a couple of real role model footballers, I would be happy to take the Poppy and another pick in the mid to late teens for Hanley. Our club need some standard setters! Just to repeat myself again and again!

 

[lionshine]

Just have a question on Ainsworth hopefully someone who watches a bit more under 18's then me can help me with (looking your way lionshine Quigley).

We know he scored really well at the combine, he speaks really well with the media and from the footage I've personally seen over the last year or two, I really rate him as a quality future footballer. But are there any concerns over his attitude/ego?

I ask this off the back of his 4 week suspension this year (where I remember the term 'king hit' got thrown around in the media) leaving a bloke with a broken jaw. Not the greatest look. My question is does he have the potential to be a bit of a hot head, and occasional brain fart kind of guy? Or was that incident more of a one off and we shouldn't read too much into it regarding attitude/personality?

I think this question would be answered best by Voss the boss who knows Ainsworth personally.